Date Wealthy Men

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    Jun 23, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    Is that I am just getting to be a grouch?

    Does anyone else find the ads that are appearing on RJ stating "Date Wealthy Men" in bad taste or offensive?

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    Jun 23, 2010 2:12 PM GMT
    My mama told me, if you marry for money, you'll pay for every penny you get. My mama was a smart woman.
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    Jun 23, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
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    If you're using IE... eww, why?

    I've never seen these ads. What are these ads that you speak of? icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 23, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
    fastprof saidIs that I am just getting to be a grouch?

    Does anyone else find the ads that are appearing on RJ stating "Date Wealthy Men" in bad taste or offensive?

    Sounds like you're just pissed 'cause you're not in the "wealthy" category.
    I'm all for it. It gives me hope for when I'm too old to maintain my stunning good looks and charm and stuff.
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    Jun 23, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    paulflexes said>Sounds like you're just pissed 'cause you're not in the "wealthy" category.
    I'm all for it. It gives me hope for when I'm too old to maintain my stunning good looks and charm and stuff.


    Hah, hah. No, I am not pissed for that particular reason (I think you are jumping to conclusions in part of what you say in the first sentence above).

    Actually, I am not pissed at all. I just thought it was kind of interesting that ads targeting guys who want to be "kept" to help them find "daddies" or guys that would like to keep a phallic ornament or two around would appear on a website like this.
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    Jun 23, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
    Pyrotech said

    If you're using IE... eww, why?

    I've never seen these ads. What are these ads that you speak of? icon_wink.gif


    Using Safari and FireFox.

    I'm actually just commenting on the content of the ad.
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    Jun 23, 2010 5:06 PM GMT
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    paulflexes said>Sounds like you're just pissed 'cause you're not in the "wealthy" category.
    I'm all for it. It gives me hope for when I'm too old to maintain my stunning good looks and charm and stuff.


    Hah, hah. No, I am not pissed for that particular reason (I think you are jumping to conclusions in part of what you say in the first sentence above).

    Actually, I am not pissed at all. I just thought it was kind of interesting that ads targeting guys who want to be "kept" to help them find "daddies" or guys that would like to keep a phallic ornament or two around would appear on a website like this.
    It's really no surprise at all that those ads would appear on this site. I usually get 2-3 emails a week here from young guys looking for a sugar daddy.

    Now if only I were wealthy...
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    Jun 23, 2010 6:03 PM GMT
    fastprof saidDoes anyone else find the ads that are appearing on RJ stating "Date Wealthy Men" in bad taste or offensive?



    It's Google's giant brain, with hundreds of thousands of servers, figuring the exact locations where every ad will maximize revenue. It is correct about 80% of the time.

    I always wonder when people talk about the ads on RJ and use words like "bad taste"... do they know that no humans have been involved in online ad placement for about 5 years now? There's no "taste" involved. Sites have the opportunity to manually block specific ads, but in these trying times, especially for a smaller site like RJ, that's tantamount to slitting your own throat.
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    Jun 23, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    iguanaSF said
    I always wonder when people talk about the ads on RJ and use words like "bad taste"... do they know that no humans have been involved in online ad placement for about 5 years now?


    No, I didn't know that, actually. I thought that RJ was doing some screening.
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    Jun 23, 2010 9:20 PM GMT
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    iguanaSF said
    I always wonder when people talk about the ads on RJ and use words like "bad taste"... do they know that no humans have been involved in online ad placement for about 5 years now?


    No, I didn't know that, actually. I thought that RJ was doing some screening.


    FYI: another fun "modern world fact" that most folks don't know: 70+% percent of the trades on all the world's major stock exchanges are now done completely by computer with no human input. And yet, people still talk about the "market sentiment." I always giggle when I hear that.
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    Jun 23, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    Whether RJ selected the ad, though, is not my point, really.

    It's a little like an ad appearing on match.com that says "ladies, looking for a rich guy to take care of you? Click here." It just seems out of place or targetting an inappropriate audience.

    Sure, a lot of guys here are open to dating or relationships or hookups with other guys here. But, it seems that ad would be better on papi.com or something, regardless of whether it was a random hit here.
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    Jun 23, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    Not to beat a dead horse, but the algorithms are anything but random. The "Date Wealthy Men" ad is here because countless thousands of trials of where ads like that appear, and their resulting click-thru rates, predicted that RJ is the most likely place they will be clicked on (based on the entirety of RJ content, prior click-thru history, and visitor demographics).

    Google makes billions and billions of dollars because their algorithms are better at ad placement than anyone else by a significant margin. Google spends hundreds of millions of dollars on PhD-level research and development to get it as good as it possibly can be.

    It's almost always surprising to site visitors and even founders, just which ads will work and what ads won't. In the old world of human-controlled advertising, ad placement struggled to achieve results better than random, but these days, it's 80% probable the ad is in exactly the right place because the evidence from millions of data points support that placement.

    The same discussion comes up here many times regarding political ads (specifically Republican ads) -- but it's the same thing. Republican ads are here because they are more likely to get clicked on; as surprising as that may "seem", it's an objective fact.

    It's quite fascinating, really -- as evidenced by my continued geekage on this thread icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 24, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
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    It's quite fascinating, really -- as evidenced by my continued geekage on this thread icon_smile.gif


    Well, it's true you are a geek. icon_biggrin.gif Just kidding, just kidding. If you are, so am I.

    But, I see your point. It's true that if you evaluate the posts on the Forums, although many are here mostly or equally for having a community with gay guys who are fit, and looking for a hookup/relationship/whatever second, many are here mostly for the second reason.

    Look at the number of "look at me and tell me I'm hot" forum topics and posts, and then, it's also true, that a certain subset of these are younger guys on the prowl for older rich guys, or guys just looking to be taken care of, I guess.

    So maybe I should have reframed my original post. That ad only looks strange IF this site was only or primarily a fitness site for most people. It's not strange at all if a good subset of the guys here are using as a dating site.
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    Jun 24, 2010 5:10 PM GMT
    funbud8 saidMy mama told me, if you marry for money, you'll pay for every penny you get. My mama was a smart woman.

    She was indeed. I've dated millionaires, and they expected me to pay Dutch wherever we went, no free rides. Well, that's what I would have insisted upon anyway, I'm not a kept woman.

    But their lifestyle bankrupted me, I simply couldn't keep up with them. I always found it interesting, because all of them were "nouveau riche" not coming from old money like I do. And their style was crass and plebeian, yet they had the money, and I did not. A lesson in humility I had to swallow (among other things).
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    Jun 24, 2010 5:14 PM GMT
    Wilton said all of them were "nouveau riche" not coming from old money like I do. And their style was crass and plebeian, yet they had the money, and I did not.


    This is how Europe feels about the USA.
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    Jun 24, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
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    Wilton said all of them were "nouveau riche" not coming from old money like I do. And their style was crass and plebeian, yet they had the money, and I did not.

    This is how Europe feels about the USA.

    I know this, having lived in Europe several years.
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    Jun 24, 2010 6:11 PM GMT
    fastprof said...
    Look at the number of "look at me and tell me I'm hot" forum topics and posts, and then, it's also true, that a certain subset of these are younger guys on the prowl for older rich guys, or guys just looking to be taken care of, I guess.


    I would wager that the majority of people that click on any RJ ad don't post in the forums, since statistically, that would be improbable (forum posters are a small minority of the site visitors). Thus, imagining any correlation between "look at me" posters and "older rich guys" also seems improbable.

    And yes, I'm clearly a geek of the first order icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 24, 2010 6:47 PM GMT
    iguanaSF said
    I would wager that the majority of people that click on any RJ ad don't post in the forums, since statistically, that would be improbable (forum posters are a small minority of the site visitors). Thus, imagining any correlation between "look at me" posters and "older rich guys" also seems improbable.


    Actually, a "subset" doesn't imply a strong correlation. And, yes, the Forum posters represent probably a "tip of the iceberg". So, that subset might actually be a sizable population.

    All of this is hypothetical since we'll never be able to know for sure.

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