Australian gay bar can ban straights

  • jc_online

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    May 30, 2007 5:02 PM GMT
    I saw this story on Advocate.com today, and I just wondered what you might think of it.

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid45504.asp

    At first, I didn't think it was a good idea. But after reading the article, it kind of makes sense to me now. Check it out and post your thoughts.
  • Laurence

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    May 30, 2007 5:31 PM GMT
    Sounds like a good idea to me.

    Aussie straight men can be very aggressive when under the influence of alcohol (I suppose most straight men can) so it's nice that the courts there acknowledge this and want to protect Gay space.

    Loz

    Ps. I've been to this bar and it's great, quite camp (Austrailian Gay men love drag), with a nice party atmosphere, so it's worth preserving.
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    May 30, 2007 5:48 PM GMT
    I can understand the desire to discriminate against str8 folks in that situation, but at the same time, I'm not comfortable with the idea of it. In American politics, right wingers like to label gays as demanding special rights, and that situation smacks of gays demanding and receiving special rights.
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    May 30, 2007 7:58 PM GMT
    "we reserve the right to refuse service to ANY one"
    We see this posted in many places of buisness everyday. In fact I hardly ever realize that it is there. I don't see it as "special treatment" but equal treatment. the bar in that article was also not letting Lesbians in. Kinda reminds me of the Boy Scouts.
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    May 30, 2007 8:21 PM GMT
    I understand the intent, but I don't agree with the execution. Why not a policy posted that anyone trying to make someone else feel uncomfortable or deemed to be not "playing nice" gets ejected from the bar? I go to gay clubs with straight men and het/lesbian women from time to time and it makes me sad that I wouldn't be able to enjoy an evening with them because some straight guys can't act civilized. The rule doesn't even do anything. How are they going to test to see if a patron really is gay? can someone that's questioning enter? What about trans people?
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    May 30, 2007 8:33 PM GMT
    "we reserve the right to refuse service to ANY one"

    Hmmmmmm.......would that go for blacks,hispanics......you pick the group that you "don't like"

    It's a very slippery slope when you start with one group etc.
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    May 30, 2007 9:45 PM GMT
    on the rare occasion that I do venture out and about, it is typically w/ an assortment of friends - some of which are straight. Any establishment that would prohibit their entry would be on my list!
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    May 31, 2007 12:26 AM GMT
    I’ve seen gay bars turn down straight guys on a few occasions. The doorman would say sorry this is a gay club/night and most of the time they just didn't realize, or were some dumb group of punters trying to get a laugh and were easily spotted a mile a way. I think most straight guys wouldn't go to a gay place unless they were somewhat curious or not so gay themselves.
    I've also seen gay nights turn down girls (most definitely straight girls) at the door, as in the night was strictly for gay men.
    I think it would’ve been different if they had arrived with a gay guy/s and not by themselves.
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    May 31, 2007 12:27 AM GMT
    typo: meant to say 'not so straight themselves' instead of 'not so gay'
    butterfingers!
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    May 31, 2007 1:49 AM GMT
    I feel segregation is wrong.
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    May 31, 2007 8:24 AM GMT
    I don't understand why they just dont get a better bouncer.
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    May 31, 2007 10:26 AM GMT
    This story did make the nightly news here in Australia.I haven't looked into it,but I don't think the bar in question is banning all straight people.Just large groups or obvious trouble makers.I don't agree or disagree.In this day of political correctness gone mad,I think the bar just wants to stay within the law and putting this request through the courts and asking for this exemption from the antidiscrimination laws.Gays like most minority groups have been persecuted through the ages and I don't think it's too much to ask to have a place we can go and feel safe.This is NOT about discrimination,(straights nor lesbians or anyone for that matter have been banned from the pub)its about protection and covering their ass by staying within the laws.
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    May 31, 2007 4:09 PM GMT
    "A tribunal in Australia's southern Victoria state granted Melbourne's Peel Hotel an exemption to equal rights laws...."

    One poster said this is not about discrimination? If it's not about discrimination they why do they need a "exemption" from an "equal rights" law?

    Cant wait to see the first straight bar in Australia try to get that same "exemption" against those "fags" who "try to hit on me" therefore making this environment not pleasing.
  • GQjock

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    May 31, 2007 10:57 PM GMT
    Where I live in South Florida our venues are getting more and more invaded by str8's
    they know how much fun we can have :)
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    Jun 01, 2007 3:52 AM GMT
    Woman banned from gay bar too...

    There was an article in the Toronto Star today about a woman that was asked to leave a gay establishment in Montreal. The place was a leather place and she was asked to leave. Now she is fighting it and it is in the courts now. She is claiming that it is a violation of her rights. Yet an owner has the right to refuse service to anyone.

    Here is the article.

    http://www.thestar.com/article/219412
  • Laurence

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    Jun 01, 2007 2:30 PM GMT
    'Woman banned from gay bar too...'

    Why shouldn't men have spaces too? There seem to be enough gyms around soley for women. Also I don't think men are allowed into those Chippendale type of performances either.

    I figure things like this have to work both ways, that sad excluded woman should hang around with other friends in 'non-specialist' bars.

    Loz
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    Jun 01, 2007 9:37 PM GMT
    This morning, my favorite blogger brought my attention to the case of a California lesbian who is suing dating site eHarmony.com for discrimination because it does not offer any non-hetero options. Does that mean gay.com should offer hetero options? Should Curves admit men to its women's fitness centers? Where does this all end?
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    Jun 04, 2007 7:26 PM GMT
    I think there should be a notice or some kind of sign at the door to let people know that an establishment is only for a certain group of people. If the club isnt going to let a group of straight men in then its only fair that all straight men be banned from that club. Its the owner or creator of the club's right to specify what kind of club it is. Obviously a gym for women wouldnt allow men to join and neither would a gym just for men allow women to join. Its up to the owner of the establishment. If anyone doesnt like it just go somewhere else...problem solved. For example: If i take a straight friend to a gay bar that it is posted for gay guys only and they wouldnt let him in i would just take him to a gay club where they do permit straight guys. No big deal. If every establishment posted signs to let us know the type of people they wanted in then thats what we would go to. In the long run i think the businesses that tried to limit people would fail anyway and the ones that included a more diverse range of people would rise to the top. I would rather know which places I am welcome at anyway and avoid the ones that Im not wanted at.
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    Jun 04, 2007 7:35 PM GMT
    Isnt the point of going to a club like that to have fun anyway...i mean if you go in there knowing that its for a specific group of people then you are just asking for trouble and you shouldnt be allowed any legal winnings over it. Are you kidding me...sue eharmony because it doesnt offer a gay option...come on, go to a different friggin website, dont make it a big deal, who cares. gay.com doesnt offer a hetero option. would it be different if e-harmony was called straight.com??? If you are going to sue e-harmony you would only be justified in doing so by sueing every other dating service that doesnt offer hetero and gay services. I think e-harmony should have a little disclaimer that is noticeable in there advertising that says up front that they dont offer gay matching...then someone would know right away and go to a site that does. Come on guys...some dateing sites offer only gay personals, some offer straight personals only, and some offer both...im sure there is a transgender matching site somewhere and i know there is one for only Christians. Same goes for clubs...There are gay clubs and straight clubs that let in everybody, and people go there with the expectation that it is gay or straight oriented, and there are gay and straight clubs that only limit itself to gay or straight people. If you are a straight person dont go to a gay bar that only welcomes gay people, go to a gay bar that welcomes everyone. If you are a gay person do the same with straight clubs.
  • jc_online

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    Jun 04, 2007 8:51 PM GMT
    very thought provoking. I'm glad I started the thread. The Club wasn't denying entry to all straight men, just the ones who acted like jerks and made the regular patrons feel uncomfortable. As I understand it, some groups of guys were going to this particular bar to laugh and mock the regular patrons. So it wasn't targeted at straights in general, but at people who were acting badly, who just happened to be straight.

    Don't most U.S. liquor establishments have signs that say "We reserve the right to refuse servcie to anyone" ? Although those signs might relate more to drunkenness than rudeness.
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    Jun 05, 2007 8:11 PM GMT
    I think it is fair to kick out a group of truly disruptive people from any establishment. I think it would be unfair to refuse entry of any straight person just because they are straight though. I have to kinda laugh though, there is a group in Detroit called the Guerilla Gay Bar and it’s a traveling group of queer people who set up secret ambush nights in straight or non sexuality specific clubs and bars around Detroit. It’s really fun, and nice to party it up in someplace different. They have meetings like once a month. And really I would be kinda sad if we were told we could no longer do it.