A Palestinian Success! ... "Failing all else, Palestinians try boycott"

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    Jun 27, 2010 7:56 PM GMT
    "For more than 40 years, Palestinians have sought to end Israeli occupation and gain statehood. International terrorism, nearly two decades of negotiations and two major waves of mass revolt have all failed to bring measurable progress toward those goals.

    Now Palestinians are looking at the success of their boycott as evidence that a campaign focused on peaceful protest, rather than violent struggle, could finally yield results. ...

    "Elkayam said that in addition to the [Palestinian] boycott, factories have been hurt by an Israeli court order to pay Palestinians who work in the industrial zone the minimum wage. He now wants Israel to offer the owners tax breaks or some other kind of support.

    "If they don't, it will be too late," he said. "Everyone will close."

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    Jun 28, 2010 6:59 AM GMT
    Some products are from Palestine. We need to boycott these products Ahava (beauty product,) Motorola (phone/cell phone,) L'Oreal (make-up product,) Estee Lauder (make-up product,) Victoria's Secret (their cottons are made in Palestine) and there are so many to list.

    - Ahava, stolen beauty from dead sea in the occupied Palestine.
    - Motorala, Motorola "virtual fences" and surveillance systems are used at dozens of illegal Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land.
    - L'Oreal, This cosmetics and perfume company is known for its investments and manufacturing activities in Israel, including production in Migdal Haemek, the "Silicon Valley" of Israel built illegal on the land of Palestinian village Al-Mujaydil, which was ethnically cleansed in 1948.
    - Estee Lauder, This company's chairman Ronald Lauder is also the chairman of the Jewish National Fund and continued building of illegal settlements on Palestinian lands.
    - Victoria's Secret, much of the Victoria's Secret cottons stolen on Palestinian land.

    Canadian gay filmmaker John Greyson Boycotts the Tel Aviv International LGBT Film Festival:
    "The emphasis on 'diversity' in City to City is empty given the absence of Palestinian filmmakers in the program. Furthermore, what this description does not say is that Tel Aviv is built on destroyed Palestinian villages, and that the city of Jaffa, Palestine's main cultural hub until 1948, was annexed to Tel Aviv after the mass exiling of the Palestinian population. This program ignores the suffering of thousands of former residents and descendants of the Tel Aviv/Jaffa area who currently live in refugee camps in the Occupied Territories or who have been dispersed to other countries, including Canada. Looking at modern, sophisticated Tel Aviv without also considering the city's past and the realities of Israeli occupation of the West Bank and the Gaza strip, would be like rhapsodizing about the beauty and elegant lifestyles in white-only Cape Town or Johannesburg during apartheid without acknowledging the corresponding black townships of Khayelitsha and Soweto." - The Toronto Declaration: No Celebration of Occupation
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    Jun 28, 2010 7:39 AM GMT
    Hmmm, I think I'll just boycott the Muslim faith instead.

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    Jun 28, 2010 7:52 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidGo ahead... Ian and I are both Christians and have relatives in the West Bank. So you're going to boycott Christian faith too?

    no... no... you got it all wrong. we are terrorists and evil. icon_razz.gif
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    Jun 28, 2010 7:58 AM GMT
    IanCT said
    sxydrkhair saidGo ahead... Ian and I are both Christians and have relatives in the West Bank. So you're going to boycott Christian faith too?

    no... no... you got it all wrong. we are terrorists and evil. icon_razz.gif


    Yup, so you might as well do yourself and the world a favor and advocate the Muslim faith by living in Iran or Saudi Arabia. And please kiss another dude in public. I hear it's cool to do it there.

    Anyway what's wrong with boycotting Muslims? I mean if you can boycott Israelis why can't I boycott Muslims? After all SOME Muslims take over non-Muslim lands and SOME Muslims are violent. Likewise SOME Israelis take over non-Israeli lands and SOME Israelis are violent. I don't see why I can't boycott Muslims? I'll start with boycotting...eh....what have these people invented other than 9-11?
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jun 28, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    Can't we all just get along? said Rodney King. He's in jail now for some other discretion than being beaten up by the people his taxes paid to protect him. We need a King of the World who can point his deathstar laser at people and say, you all are going to work this out, or else.
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:08 AM GMT
    Muslims need a peaceful moderate leader. Preferably a woman without a burka. And huge tits.
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:12 AM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    IanCT said
    sxydrkhair saidGo ahead... Ian and I are both Christians and have relatives in the West Bank. So you're going to boycott Christian faith too?

    no... no... you got it all wrong. we are terrorists and evil. icon_razz.gif


    Yup, so you might as well do yourself and the world a favor and advocate the Muslim faith by living in Iran or Saudi Arabia. And please kiss another dude in public. I hear it's cool to do it there.

    Anyway what's wrong with boycotting Muslims? I mean if you can boycott Israelis why can't I boycott Muslims? After all SOME Muslims take over non-Muslim lands and SOME Muslims are violent. Likewise SOME Israelis take over non-Israeli lands and SOME Israelis are violent. I don't see why I can't boycott Muslims? I'll start with boycotting...eh....what have these people invented other than 9-11?


    You want to declare holy war on us bitch? JIHAD! JIHAD! You anti-Islamic infidel. We are going to hunt you down to the ground and rip you apart like a dog. You racist infidel supporting illegal occupation and causing problem with us. Yes we are terrorist and evil Arabs like to put a long stick up in your ass.

    Yes we gay terrorists kiss in front of Damascus Gate in Jerusalem. What you going to do now? YOU INFIDEL
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:14 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidMuslims need a peaceful moderate leader. Preferably a woman without a burka. And huge tits.


    That was so funny I thought I was on a different website.
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:18 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    IanCT saidYou want to declare holy war on us bitch? JIHAD! JIHAD! You anti-Islamic infidel. We are going to hunt you down to the ground and rip you apart like a dog. You racist infidel supporting illegal occupation and causing problem with us. Yes we are terrorist and evil Arabs like to put a long stick up in your ass.


    I can't believe I am reading this lol... HILARIOUS


    You infidel. icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:20 AM GMT
    IanCT said
    Yes we gay terrorists kiss in front of Damascus Gate in Jerusalem. What you going to do now? YOU INFIDEL
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    Well, I'm going to rape both of you in the ass now. Obviously. Because I'm Jewish. Oh and you can kiss in Jerusalem. Because it's pwned by Israel. ;) But don't kiss in the ultra-orthodox Jew section. No I'm serious. They're just as bad as Muslims. Maybe, just maybe worse.
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:36 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    IanCT said
    sxydrkhair said
    IanCT saidYou want to declare holy war on us bitch? JIHAD! JIHAD! You anti-Islamic infidel. We are going to hunt you down to the ground and rip you apart like a dog. You racist infidel supporting illegal occupation and causing problem with us. Yes we are terrorist and evil Arabs like to put a long stick up in your ass.


    I can't believe I am reading this lol... HILARIOUS


    You infidel. icon_evil.gif

    Terrorist! ;-) God bless Israel for giving us freedom!


    God bless Hamas and Hezbollah for leaving Israel alone in peace without ever attacking it, throwing rockets into it, or training people to blow themselves up inside Israel. Such peaceful gangs. I bet they don't have sodomy laws either with these crunk babe groups either.
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    Jun 28, 2010 9:43 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidYeah those terrorists are evil. Israel have right to defend it-self from evil defenseless civilians from Gaza and South Lebanon. Thanks Israel for not massacring hundred of people in Gaza and Lebanon. Long live Israel! Please keep on occupying and put more legal settlements on terrorists land. There is no such thing called Palestinians or Palestine. They don't exist, they are terrorists that want to live with Israelis.


    OMG I know right! It's not like the Hamas purposefully placed themselves next to and inside civilian places so that when Israelis attacked they could erroneously blame Israel for attacking defenseless civilians. No no, they NEVER use that tactic. Ever.

    You're right there is no such thing as Palestinians. They are leftovers from the Ottoman Empire that got rejected by Egypt and Jordan. It's a shame Muslims countries don't give Palestinian civilians some aid. Didn't Obama just donate hundreds of millions of dollars? Hmmm, I think Muslim neighboring countries should put their money together and help Palestinian civilians too. Oh who am I kidding, they would never do that. They hate Israel more than they love their Muslim neighbors.
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    Jun 28, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    Really? We needed yet another anti-Israel spam propaganda topic?

    You want to boycott Israel? FIne, turn off your computer (many parts of which were developed in Israel, from CPUs to the OS and apps) and go back to your cave (don't bother with your cell phone, either).

    We know that's not going to happen, and thus the hypocrisy of the posters is revealed.
    It's about making anti-Israel noise (perhaps in part due to the lack of signal/substance).

    As we've seen time and again, these posters (despite sxydrkhair's new "coexist" avatar) are constantly demonizing Israel (via meaningless slogans and soundbites such as "occupation") not in the cause of peace (they're actually against compromise) but to war-monger, to explain, rationalize, justify and perpetuate the war to destroy Israel. They are wolves in sheep's clothing.

    When Hamas and others fire rockets at urban Israeli population centers, they refuse to condemn this as terrorism. When Israel shoots back at these rocket launchers (which is legitimate self-defense under international law) and some innocents get hurt, suddenly they cry bloody murder? This is cynical; if they actually cared about the people of Gaza, they'd protest not only their wholesale use as human shields by Hamas but the illegal Hamas "government" itself. What we see is that they care as little for Gazans as Hamas does, which is to say they agree that they are pawns who can be sacrificed for the cause. Just as they sacrifice the truth and are constantly caught lying for the cause.

    One example of such a lie above: "Tel Aviv is built on destroyed Palestinian villages"

    Reality: Tel Aviv groundbreaking, 1909:
    Tel-Aviv_ground_breaking_1909.jpg

    And another lie: "the mass exiling of the Palestinian population [of Jaffa]"

    Reality: the population of Jaffa (94% according to Samxr's own source!) vacated before Israeli forces took control of the city (from which attacks were mounted on Tel Aviv). The few who remained were happy to see Israeli forces enter - if only to protect them from foreign Arab fighters who were stationed there and had mistreated the local population. Rather than be "exiled", "expelled", "forced out", "ethnically cleansed" or other soundbites, these remaining 6% became Israeli citizens.
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    These lies are part and parcel of an even bigger lie. Never mind that there was no such people who considered themselves "Palestinian" (they themselves denied the concept and said they were Arabs), but the reality is that in the 19th century the population of western Palestine was estimated as low as 50,000 people (and in decline). Today there are 10 million people. The Jewish/Zionist argument was (and remains) that with proper development there is room for everyone. The racist/xenophobic Arab argument in the first half of the 20th century was that there was no room for Jews (yet there was room for other Arabs?). Now the Arab argument pretends that the land and population are a zero-sum game, as if for every Jew who came in an Arab was forced out and that any and every Jewish house built is on the ruins of what was an Arab house.

    The reality is that between the world wars the Arab population grew most precisely in the areas of Jewish (and British) development - Arab immigrants attracted by higher paying jobs and a better quality of life (running water, electricity, hospitals, etc). In Haifa (new port & industry) the Arab population grew 290%. In Jaffa (adjacent to Tel Aviv) 158%. In Jerusalem (where Jews pioneered development outside the old city walls, including in eastern Jerusalem) 131%. In contrast, in Nablus the Arab population grew "only" 42%. If Arabs were being "displaced", it was likely by other Arabs.


    During the Israel - Hizbullah war, I think a majority of Israelis killed were Arab Israelis. Our resident hatists care as little for them as they do for Gazans and they side with the Hizbullah terrorists. Elsewhere sxydrkhair has attempted to pin his agenda on the Al Qaida train wreck. To paraphrase: AQ bombs you because you don't give me what I want... so give me my ransom and then, promises promises, you can live in peace from AQ. Reality, of course, is that AQ cares as little for Gazans as Hamas and our own spam propagandists. It's as if I said that AQ bombs US targets because ENDA hasn't passed (or because no one gave me a million Dollars). ENDA should pass (and no one needs to give me money), but AQ will do what it does regardless. Of course I'd never hitch my agenda to AQ... but Samxr did (as he does to Hamas and Hizbullah, the latter the terrorist group which has murdered the most Americans prior to 9/11). This tells us a lot about their lack of integrity - the cause is more important than the truth.)

    Not only do they hate Israel more than they love/care-for their own people in general, they also hate Israel more than they love/care-for their own gay brethren. Really, regurgitating again the lie that one can safely be gay in "Palestine"?! Gay people flee from "Palestine" to Israel!

    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

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    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/494893

    Arabs are not indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/979648

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
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    In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
    (Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

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    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas
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    Countries that support gays or kill them
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    Jun 28, 2010 8:58 PM GMT
    JakeBenson said
    Anyway what's wrong with boycotting Muslims? I mean if you can boycott Israelis why can't I boycott Muslims?


    Because Islam is a religion, Israel-"ness" is a nationality. There are Muslim, Christian, Druze, and Atheist Israelis as well as Jews.

    Find consistency before you post pointless political cartoons that don't help discussion.
  • aj989

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    Jun 28, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    This is really stupid. u can never judge a person u dont even know by the way the idiot who has the same religion acts.
    Its pathetic to look at a few peoples actions and believe that the islamic faith is not a peaceful one.

    Im a muslim and i dont believe its fair to be judged by the way some dickhead with half a brain and an overly grown beared siliences whatever voices go through his head.
    Im not gonna give u a freakn lecture about islam but nowhere in our religion does it say killing is ok. nowhere does it say that blowing urself up is gonna get u into heaven.
    These people that do that are just fucked.. and whats even more fucked is when they tie up an entire faith to their mental condition by saying a few of the religious quotes of a peaceful religion when they blow themselves up.

    At the end of the day each to their own. The real meaning and lifestyle of the religion is in front of them but they decided to add things here and there and take things into their own hands. i say we hunt down those dickheads blowing themselves up and those trying to "fix" things by reffering to extreme measures and leave the religion out of it.

    BTW.. i dont have anything against jews... and Jakebenson ur kinda cute haha
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    Jun 28, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    Caslon14000 said"For more than 40 years, Palestinians have sought to end Israeli occupation and gain statehood.

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    For more than 60 years, Palestinians have sought to end Israel.
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    Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    aj989> Its pathetic to look at a few peoples actions and believe that the islamic faith is not a peaceful one.

    I agree with you in general, but Islam has a slightly larger problem than a "dickhead with half a brain and an overly grown beared". Other religions also have their fundamentalist extremists, but (in the modern era) only Islam has so many of them and are they in power (e.g. in Iran and Gaza).

    600-900 years ago I think you and I (and most modern day Christians - heck, even the Vatican has issued an apology) would agree that Christianity was not the religion of peace (at least as practiced by some). We wouldn't discount the Crusaders as a bunch of lunies (what is it about beards?!), but you might point to the support from the Vatican as well as European kings and peasants. This wasn't a fringe but systemic

    Today you have Muslims circling the wagons to defend the "ummah" (right or wrong). After 9/11 there was widespread support in Muslim countries for suicide bombings (e.g. in Pakistan it was nearly 50%, though later that dropped as Muslims - especially in Pakistan - became the victims of such bombings. In other countries support was less, and in some more). At least as late as last year support for Usama bin Laden remained pretty high, too (again with a wide variance).

    It is always unfair to judge an individual based on the group (or this 50% based on that 50%), but what about the whole? Who represents Islam? You or the Mullahs in Iran? Dr. Tawfik Hamid or Abu Qatada?
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    Jun 28, 2010 10:03 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair> Palestinian villages on which Tel Aviv is built

    S1. What you mean to say is that Tel Aviv later expanded, but the original groundbreaking (photo above) was on vacant sand dunes that were purchased (as your own source admits)

    S2. It's strange that your source insists on using the 1987 version of Morris' book when it is convenient while ignoring things written there and corrections which appear in the 2004 version.

    While there is some merit in what the source says here:
    Regarding the [Arab anti-Jewish] riots of 1920, 1921, 1929, and 1936 to 1939: each of these events is embedded in a more complicated and complex history....

    S3. It's sheer hypocrisy that they attempt to take Israeli events out of context (e.g. the counter-attack on Jaffa amidst the 1947-48 Arab aggression becomes simply "indiscriminant shelling") while ignoring that nearly 1/3rd of the Arab [not yet known as "Palestinian"] population had already departed the city before that.

    S4. BTW, "exiled" does not mean what they pretend, which again shows us how some arguments have little substance beyond the slogans and soundbites).

    What's astonishing about samxr's post is how little of what I said he can even feigns to address:

    S5. These anti-Israel spam topics aren't posted to advance peace but to demonize Israel in order to explain, rationalize, justify and perpetuate the war to destroy it.

    S6. The lack of concern both for Israeli civilian casualties (Jewish and Arab!) as well as for the Gazans and Lebanese used as human shields reveals that they hate Israel more than they love/care-for their own brethren.

    S7. Just as they are willing to sacrifice people as pawns for the cause, so to do they sacrifice the truth. Integrity isn't to the truth but to the cause, thus (as samxr has explained in an email) it's morally ok, even commendable, to lie-for-the-cause.

    S8. Thus when he edits - vandalizes - a Wikipedia entry, he's just making it "more fair" (the Japanese would similarly "edit" the entry on Pearl Harbor for "fairness" by changing it to say "American anti-aircraft gunners opened fire on Japanese aircraft"....)

    S9. There was no such people who considered themselves "Palestinian" (they themselves denied the concept and said they were Arabs),

    S10. In the 19th century the population of western Palestine was estimated as low as 50,000 people (and in decline).

    S11. Today there are 10 million people.

    S12. The Jewish/Zionist argument was (and remains) that with proper development there is room for everyone.

    S13. The racist/xenophobic Arab argument in the first half of the 20th century was that there was no room for Jews (yet there was room for other Arabs?).

    S14. Now the Arab argument pitches that the land and population are a zero-sum game, as if for every Jew who came in an Arab was forced out and that any and every Jewish house/village built is on the ruins of what was an Arab house/village.

    S15. We can see through samxr's wolf-in-sheep's-clothing when he condones rather than condemns Helen Thomas' statment that Jews can go back to Europe.

    S16. Between the world wars the Arab population grew most precisely in the areas of Jewish (and British) development - Arab immigrants attracted by higher paying jobs and a better quality of life (running water, electricity, hospitals, etc).

    S17. In Haifa (new port & industry) the Arab population grew 290%. In Jaffa (adjacent to Tel Aviv) 158%. In Jerusalem (where Jews pioneered development outside the old city walls, including in eastern Jerusalem) 131%.

    S18. In contrast, in Nablus the Arab population grew "only" 42%.

    S19. Not only do these clowns hate Israel more than they love/care-for their own people in general, they also hate Israel more than they love/care-for their own gay brethren. Really, regurgitating again the lie that one can safely be gay in "Palestine"?! Gay people flee from "Palestine" to "oppressive" Israel!

    S20. Does anyone trust a guy who is an apologist for Hamas and Hizbullah and attempts to hitch his wagon to the Al Qaida train wreck (or did they blow up that train)?

    S21. Someone who can't even tell the truth about the status of gay rights in Israel and "Palestine"?


    S22. Even more perplexing is samxr's silence regarding the purported subject of this forum topic, the boycott.
    Thus we have confirmed that the real purpose isn't to discuss a "boycott" but just another anti-Israel troll-fest.

    Samxr and the usual suspects won't be able to honestly address any of thte above points, so let's focus on the purporded topic:

    You want to boycott Israel? Fine; turn off your computer (many parts of which were developed in Israel, from CPUs to the OS and apps) and go back to your cave (don't bother with your cell phone, either, it's also based on Israeli technology).

    We know that's not going to happen, and thus the hypocrisy of the posters is revealed.
    It's about making anti-Israel noise (perhaps in part due to the lack of signal/substance).


    sxydrkhair> [continues to use the computer to spam anti-Israel nonsense]

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 28, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
    I support the Palestinians peaceful boycott against corporations that do business and support that glorified terrorist nation known as Israel. I hope that the Palestinian people are successful in getting their message across to the world and tell it like it is. It is time to expose Israel for what it really is, a violent, power hungry oppressor.
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    Jun 28, 2010 11:04 PM GMT
    Tell us, roadbikerob, do you still believe that "the Jews have it coming"?

    I note you continue to use a computer (despite your support for the anti-Israel boycott) to vent your anti-Jewish rage.
    I'm guessing you'll now crawl back under your rock - with your cell phone (despite your support for the anti-Israel boycott).


    Samxr and the usual suspects won't be able to honestly address any of the above points

    sxydrkhair> Go argue with your Israeli friends... I am not saying it. I only copy and paste it from Jewish [source]

    Yes, you are good at "copy and paste" but not at thinking.
    As if spamming something from a Jewish source (because you like what it says) makes it automatically correct.
    That's like fundamentalists quoting "cured" homosexuals and saying they only "copy and paste" from a gay source.

    As is, I've already criticized your source for:
    1. Relying on the 1987 version of Morris' book rather than the revised 2004 edition (reflecting additional primary research and corrections).
    2. Selectively quoting from the 1987 book (while ignoring inconvenient facts elsewhere in that same book).
    3. One-sidedly arguing a "a more complicated and complex" context.
    No wonder you hide behind "copy and paste".


    So let's get back to this topic:

    You want to boycott Israel? Fine; turn off your computer (many parts of which were developed in Israel, from CPUs to the OS and apps) and go back to your cave (don't bother with your cell phone, either, it's also based on Israeli technology).

    We know that's not going to happen, and thus the hypocrisy of the posters is revealed.
    It's about making anti-Israel noise (perhaps in part due to the lack of signal/substance).


    sxydrkhair> [continues to use the computer to spam anti-Israel nonsense]
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    Jun 28, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    It's not like the Israeli's didn't attempt to be peacefully seperate from them. Israel has to be strict. When you are surrounded by countries ruled by muslims, (sometimes radical.) you have to do it to survive. If not, Israel would already be a part of Saudi Arabia, or Egypt. Palestinian "freedom fighters" are terrorists. They murder children. All I'm sayin is, if someone was killing children culturally similar to me, then yeah, I'd get violent. This conflict is thousand of years old. Niether side is giving in anytime soon.
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    Jun 29, 2010 12:44 AM GMT
    C4 claimed Israel invented the technology. Why don't you ask the Japanese people.




    C4 continuing lying and lying.
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    Jun 29, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    fizzle said
    JakeBenson said
    Anyway what's wrong with boycotting Muslims? I mean if you can boycott Israelis why can't I boycott Muslims?


    Because Islam is a religion, Israel-"ness" is a nationality. There are Muslim, Christian, Druze, and Atheist Israelis as well as Jews.

    Find consistency before you post pointless political cartoons that don't help discussion.


    Jake Benson as proven himself to be a prejudiced moron time and time again on these threads. He spews nothing but hatred towards Muslims. Ironic because if you replaced a few key words that he says (ie, switch the word Muslim to Jew), he would sound exactly like the terrorists that he purports to hate so much.

    His logic is hilarious, his examples even more humorous. I remember when he wrote that he supported Israel because he "had fun there..." haha... I mean really, with those kinds of smarts..... I wonder why he's unemployed?
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:17 AM GMT
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    So let's get back to this topic:

    You want to boycott Israel? Fine; turn off your computer (many parts of which were developed in Israel, from CPUs to the OS and apps) and go back to your cave (don't bother with your cell phone, either, it's also based on Israeli technology).

    We know that's not going to happen, and thus the hypocrisy of the posters is revealed.
    It's about making anti-Israel noise (perhaps in part due to the lack of signal/substance).


    sxydrkhair> [continues to use the computer to spam anti-Israel nonsense]


    this is a really standard criticism of people who engage in boycotts and it is a valid one but ultimately I feel it to be incorrect in the long term. You can look at people in the Crimethinc movement who boycott capitalism by living off of waste and living in squats and say "well you're still living off of the waste of capitalism ergo you need capitalism to survive and therefore your boycott is invalid." You could look at people who are vegans because they choose to boycott the factory farm system and point out that there's no REAL way to get out of the system on a 100% basis. I feel that boycott, especially of a colonial apartheid state is important, and it is not invalidated by the fact that it can't be done fully. By your logic, if a country develops a life saving medication, and I'm boycotting that country, then I shouldn't take the medication to save my own life. But this is absurd. People will work within their means to boycott, divest, and sanction against israel, just like they will with everything else.