Self Defense

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    Jun 28, 2010 6:32 PM GMT
    I'm one of those people who thinks guns wont do much in a self defense situation. Why? To many variables that don't work in your favor. Most of them time when someone attacks you its by surprise, they sneak up behind you, they jump form behind a car/alley and by then they are too close for you to draw and fire, or god forbid the other person could simply pull a gun on you first. But that's just my opinion, the closest I come to using a real gun is when I play Time Crisis (With the consistently highest scores in the Ocean City board walk arcades icon_smile.gif )

    Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of situations where a gun is your best choice for self defense, but I still think the best self defense personally is a taser or one of those expandable batons (those things are DANGEROUS)

    Or...you know....this...


    Anyway just wanted to know everyone elses thoughts and ideas.
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    Jun 28, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    It all hinges on training and situational awareness. Other than that, liberals will see this one way and conservatives another.

    I for one move around with security unless here in Switzerland. Even then, security is not far away.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 28, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    People almost never have an opportunity to "protect home and family" by having a gun in the house. Burglars tend to determine your schedule, to find out when you're usually not at home, and break in during that time.

    On the street, very few law abiding citizens carry guns, so you're at the mercy of anyone who wants to rob you of your valuables.

    I don't own a gun.
    And, I hope to live long enough to see the Second Amendment properly interpreted. As far as I know, NOBODY in 2010 owns a gun as part of a "well regulated militia."
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    Jun 28, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    I finally agree with you on something!

    Pulling a gun takes a few seconds from where every you have it holstered. Those seconds spent drawing your firearm could mean your life. It's important to know a few defensive tactis to defend yourself and subdue an assailant quickly in order to leave the area.

    Of course a good groin kick will do in many cases but more often than not most assailant attack from behind. What do you do then? Obvilously a gun isn't effective firing blindly behind you or when your on the ground.

    I try to tell these Jim-Bob I live with around here that but they look at me like I have a second head growing outta my neck.
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    Jun 28, 2010 10:16 PM GMT
    Some psychologists have wondered if guns--in some situations--cause more violence mainly out of fear.

    Image you see someone in your house at night--a burglar. You get your gun and point it at him. So he points his at you. Both of you are obviously scared.

    He's wondering if you will pull the trigger. This makes him more likely to pull the trigger first.

    You're wondering if he'll pull the trigger. This makes you more likely to pull the trigger first.

    Both of you do not want to get shot or shoot the other person... but fear escalates the situation.

    The psychologists (not sure where I heard this from) said that this situation of course does not happen all the time... and that it says nothing about the use of guns for self-defense (or the 2nd Amendment for that matter). But it is interesting... and causes us--well some of us--to answer some important ethical questions about self-defense, property worth, and the worth of human life.

    I'm not sure what I would do--I would much rather use a "non-lethal" form or protection (i.e. mace, tazer gun, stun gun, martial arts). As a child, I used to ask my father what we would do if we got robbed—mind you, we lived in a small town in Maine. He told me he would give them whatever they wanted… and/or try and talk them out of it. I don’t think anyone in my family has ever fired a gun.
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    Jun 28, 2010 10:36 PM GMT
    Personally, I have no problem with anyone owning a gun in the home if they are trained, familiar, and kept away from kids & drunks. I was raises around fire arms, etc

    As for personal defence, I think everyone should be able to handle themselves in the event they have to defend themselves. My brother has a third degree black belt in karate, and iv taken karate for years, as fell as kick boxing; have only ever had two scuffles (one at a bar in SF when some douch kept grabbing my ass) and it helps to have the vibe that you know how to handle yourself..
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    Jun 28, 2010 10:59 PM GMT
    Ricovelas saidI finally agree with you on something!

    Pulling a gun takes a few seconds from where every you have it holstered. Those seconds spent drawing your firearm could mean your life. It's important to know a few defensive tactis to defend yourself and subdue an assailant quickly in order to leave the area.

    Of course a good groin kick will do in many cases but more often than not most assailant attack from behind. What do you do then? Obvilously a gun isn't effective firing blindly behind you or when your on the ground.

    I try to tell these Jim-Bob I live with around here that but they look at me like I have a second head growing outta my neck.



    See http://www.keepandbeararms.com/ for examples of armed self defense.

    See also [url]http://www.momeomagazine.com/women%E2%80%99s-self-defense-keeping-yourself-safe-starts-and-ends-with-situational-awareness/ [/url]which discusses womens' self defense situational awareness, but which can be applied for gay men as well.
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    Jun 28, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    LOL My friend has those blast knuckles.

    As for the whole gun thing... I always believed certain kinds of guns should never be available to average citizens, unfortunately this isn't the case. A lot of people who own guns aren't properly trained either which also causes problems. I believe before you purchase a gun, you should go through some pretty extensive mandatory training, and definitely a damn good background check... I don't like how easy it is for people to get guns.

    On the other hand, a weapon is a weapon. If you don't respect it, and aren't trained well in using it (mentally and physically), and or aint such a good person, there will ALWAYS be problems. If there were no guns and people were using blades, and were being maimed, and killed by them, we'd be having the same discussion.. It aint the weapon but the person who owns the weapon.

    I own 2 guns, I hunt and I keep one for self defense which I'm glad I did have during a little incident. Because I am properly trained in how to use one, and how to deal with intruders, I was not afraid, or nervous.. The other guy was though lol.
  • tazzari

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    Jun 29, 2010 12:14 AM GMT
    Pulling out a gun implies, ultimately, that you are prepared to shot someone, and taken to the logical conclusion, that you are willing to kill.

    I have always had guns for various sports, but I do not keep one loaded, and I am not willing to kill. Yes, you can name extreme cases where it might be my only last defense, but I believe the chance of anything coming to that are slim enough that I am willing to take the chance.

    It seems to me that some of "gun culture" is simply part of our culture of living in fear. I'm not willing to live that way. And I'm not willing to kill.

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    Jun 29, 2010 12:17 AM GMT
    The best self defense you can have is luck. Good luck, to be more specific.
    It doesn't matter how well trained and equipped you are for a fight - If your attacker catches you off guard, only luck will prevent that person from using a weapon before you even know s/he's there. And only luck will give you the chance to figure out what's going on and react.
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
    I am not rabidly for or against guns. They are simply another tool for self defense. Your #1 tool is your brain. The best way to avoid a fight is to not get into a fight at all. Many times, there are other options. I carry most of the time, but i'm trained, and it's an expected part of my job. I have to admit that I fervently hope that I never have to utilize it, though.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Jun 29, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    i love teaching gay guys and girl how to take down an attacker.

    it should be mandatory in gay resume, i think.
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    Jun 30, 2010 4:36 AM GMT
    Self defense made easier. Many customers are buying one for each side of the bed.

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    Jun 30, 2010 5:37 PM GMT
    Thanks for the response guys, personally I've done martial arts since I was a kid, and its not so much that I don't like guns...its just the idea of taking a human life...even if they are threatening my own bothers me. I'm one of those people that would have a gun and load it with like rubber bullets and practice so that I have good enough accuracy to hit someone and disable them enough for me to either get away or restrain them.

    Which brings up an interesting topic, those of you in favor of guns (and even of those who arent) how do you feel about non lethal ammo?

    I'm still sort of hung up on the taser knuckles...I mean cmon you can punch someone AND taze them...

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    Jul 02, 2010 3:03 PM GMT
    Self defense is the responsibility of the individual. Police can only get to a crime so fast, and sadly, often only after it occurs. A firearm can be a very useful tool for individual self defense but requires a good deal of training to handle with competent authority, and more importantly, requires a specific mindset to correctly employ in a high stress situation. Situational awareness is key as it can prevent being surprised by an attacker.

    conscienti1984Image you see someone in your house at night--a burglar. You get your gun and point it at him. So he points his at you. Both of you are obviously scared.


    This would never happen with proper training - because as soon as I see an intruder with a weapon I'm firing until he no longer presents a threat. Relying on a hoodlum's good graces for survival is ludicrous.

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