Iceland PM weds as gay marriage legalised

  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2010 8:20 AM GMT
    Iceland PM weds as gay marriage legalised

    Miss Sigurdardottir is the world's first openly gay head of government.

    http://digg.com/d31VGii


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/7858150/Iceland-PM-weds-as-gay-marriage-legalised.html
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:19 PM GMT
    Another country on the list.... unfortunately still a loooong way to go
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:19 PM GMT
    Another country on the list.... unfortunately still a loooong way to go
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
    Another light weight country added to the list. Still waiting for a UK, a German, France, or other political heavy weight to get into the club.
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    Jun 29, 2010 1:25 PM GMT
    DCEric saidAnother light weight country added to the list. Still waiting for a UK, a German, France, or other political heavy weight to get into the club.


    "light weight"? Club of using the same word (which I am not sure I´d want to use anyway) or having the same rights? UK is already there in terms of rights.

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    Jun 29, 2010 6:00 PM GMT
    We could have the same rights as well if we would stop arguing about the terminology.

    a Wedding is a religious ceremony. Civil union is a legal term.

    I wish that gay people would tell the "leaders" that we don't care about the terminology we just care about the equal treatment. Does any one doubt that if gay people started having civil unions, that in 10 years anyone would say they were having a civil union, instead of a marriage..... its just semantics.
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    Jun 29, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
    Lostboy said
    DCEric saidAnother light weight country added to the list. Still waiting for a UK, a German, France, or other political heavy weight to get into the club.


    "light weight"? Club of using the same word (which I am not sure I´d want to use anyway) or having the same rights? UK is already there in terms of rights.



    The UK is pratically already there... they just lifted the few differences that remained except for the M word.
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    Jun 29, 2010 6:05 PM GMT
    jjdayz saidWe could have the same rights as well if we would stop arguing about the terminology.

    a Wedding is a religious ceremony. Civil union is a legal term.

    I wish that gay people would tell the "leaders" that we don't care about the terminology we just care about the equal treatment. Does any one doubt that if gay people started having civil unions, that in 10 years anyone would say they were having a civil union, instead of a marriage..... its just semantics.


    But we do care about terminology. If the government would not recognize any marriage and left that term for religion, then civil unions would be fine. Otherwise, it is not. Separate but equal is never equal. Laws that encourage others to think that minority groups are lesser humans is not ok.
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    Jun 29, 2010 6:08 PM GMT
    jjdayz said Does any one doubt that if gay people started having civil unions, that in 10 years anyone would say they were having a civil union, instead of a marriage..... its just semantics.


    I agree that it is an argument over semantics. While the thought of using the phrase "Will you civil union me?" is cringe-worthy, if I was in a relationship where I was worried about my partner being protected if anything happened to me such as what would happen our shared property, access to children we may have raised, social security or other government insurance, or if my partner needed help with immigration to stay in the same country with me, then I may want to just bite the bullet and go for it.

    It will be interesting to see if in the UK, civil unions just become marriage in a few years time. And at least in the mean time, gay couples have protection, and the rest of society is getting used to the idea.


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    Jun 29, 2010 6:29 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    jjdayz saidWe could have the same rights as well if we would stop arguing about the terminology.

    a Wedding is a religious ceremony. Civil union is a legal term.

    I wish that gay people would tell the "leaders" that we don't care about the terminology we just care about the equal treatment. Does any one doubt that if gay people started having civil unions, that in 10 years anyone would say they were having a civil union, instead of a marriage..... its just semantics.


    But we do care about terminology. If the government would not recognize any marriage and left that term for religion, then civil unions would be fine. Otherwise, it is not. Separate but equal is never equal. Laws that encourage others to think that minority groups are lesser humans is not ok.


    I know that there are a lot of gay people that would like to see some progress rather then none. If we continue to take the fight to people in their churches, we will NEVER get anywhere. Instead, why not accept the win we can get and continue to argue? I think its stupid that we refuse to accept civil unions as a fight we should be having when the majority of the country believe that we should have them but still disagree about marriage.

    I personally don't care what you call it as long as it gives me the same rights. The whole separate but equal argument doesn't hold weight with me. People that get married in a church, still have to have that legal binding by the government. People still form unions legally without getting married in a church.... The government has no right to force religions to accept performing gay marriages... that is the reason for the separation of church and state. Gays have gotten so caught up in the emotional associations of the terminology that they have forgotten logic.
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    Jun 29, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    DCEric saidAnother light weight country added to the list. Still waiting for a UK, a German, France, or other political heavy weight to get into the club.


    As far as I know Germany is already (almost) there. Btw, our foreign secretary is openly gay, our education secretary (lesbian) as well and also several other heads of big cities and federal states.
  • metta

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    Jun 29, 2010 6:36 PM GMT
    jjdayz said
    metta8 said
    jjdayz saidWe could have the same rights as well if we would stop arguing about the terminology.

    a Wedding is a religious ceremony. Civil union is a legal term.

    I wish that gay people would tell the "leaders" that we don't care about the terminology we just care about the equal treatment. Does any one doubt that if gay people started having civil unions, that in 10 years anyone would say they were having a civil union, instead of a marriage..... its just semantics.


    But we do care about terminology. If the government would not recognize any marriage and left that term for religion, then civil unions would be fine. Otherwise, it is not. Separate but equal is never equal. Laws that encourage others to think that minority groups are lesser humans is not ok.


    I know that there are a lot of gay people that would like to see some progress rather then none. If we continue to take the fight to people in their churches, we will NEVER get anywhere. Instead, why not accept the win we can get and continue to argue? I think its stupid that we refuse to accept civil unions as a fight we should be having when the majority of the country believe that we should have them but still disagree about marriage.

    I personally don't care what you call it as long as it gives me the same rights. The whole separate but equal argument doesn't hold weight with me. People that get married in a church, still have to have that legal binding by the government. People still form unions legally without getting married in a church.... The government has no right to force religions to accept performing gay marriages... that is the reason for the separation of church and state. Gays have gotten so caught up in the emotional associations of the terminology that they have forgotten logic.


    The same people will fight us against civil unions. Either way it is a fight....might as well fight for the goal.
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    Jun 29, 2010 6:47 PM GMT
    Or just accept the victory we can get and let the rest of the country see that gays in unions are just like them... and show them that they are wrong about denying us the "term" marriage.

    What is a better way to win? by being confrontational or cooperative? I think you catch a lot more flies with honey....