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    Feb 07, 2008 1:36 AM GMT
    Increase of new HIV infections in the last 6 years (NYS Dept of Health):

    Gay men over 30: -21%
    Gay men under 30: +33%
    Gay males 13-19: +85%

    just about every guy under the age of 22 has asked me to bareback them...i always say no way (I usually throw in a "whore" remark too ;-). goddamn bug-chasers
  • ShawnTX

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    Feb 07, 2008 2:23 AM GMT
    The 85% is not so shocking, sadly. In my opinion, the treatments now available to people living with AIDS are doing remarkable things, and I think many young guys think that as long as they have access to those treatments they will be fine. Keep in mind too that an 18 year old was born in 1990, years after the original spread of HIV and AIDS. By their teenage years, the shock, pain, and horror has subsided, creating a false image that AIDS isn't the big deal it used to be.

    Not too long ago, perhaps 2 years or so, I read an article in the newspaper about HIV and AIDS where they gave some interesting statistics. While more homosexuals were dying of AIDS than heterosexuals, more heterosexuals were contracting HIV than homosexuals. They attributed the difference in deaths to the larger amount of gay men having AIDS than heteros due to it's original spread among the gay community, and the greater awareness of HIV and AIDS in the gay community to the lower amount of gay men contracting HIV over heteros.

    It would be interesting to see an updated study.

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    Feb 07, 2008 2:32 AM GMT
    ShawnTO said...Keep in mind too that an 18 year old was born in 1990, years after the original spread of HIV and AIDS....



    I believe most young gay men (25 years and below) view HIV/AIDS as an antiquated disease. This is quite sad.

    We all, regardless of our view on STIs, should at least try to act in a responsible manner concerning our sexual practices.
  • TXShooter02

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    Feb 07, 2008 2:49 AM GMT
    It really pisses me off that a lot of people, mostly in the younger crowd, have this view of AIDS that it is a manageable disease. Like diabetes or something.

    Yes, the medications are better. But there is still no guarantee they will work, there are so many side effects and sh&& to deal with. And I can't imagine having my life depend on taking pills everyday for the rest of my life. I hate and am bad about taking pills for three days when I am sick.

    I hear something about if you are diagnosed today, the average person can expect to still live 25 to 30 years. That is great! We have come a long way. But there is still a way to go. . . I'm 27 . . . I intend to live well past 55 or 60.

    One of my good friends and now my ex have contracted this horrible disease now. Yes they are fine, but there has been a lot of pain and trials to get them to this point and there will be more. I pray for them frequently. They are blessings in my life for sure.

    The nonchalant attitude just kills me. Granted there are a few exceptions . . . but it is so easily preventable. Why subject yourself and more of our population to this dredded thing?!?
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    Feb 07, 2008 3:09 AM GMT
    guitarboi85 saidIncrease of new HIV infections in the last 6 years (NYS Dept of Health):

    Gay men over 30: -21%
    Gay men under 30: +33%
    Gay males 13-19: +85%

    just about every guy under the age of 22 has asked me to bareback them...i always say no way (I usually throw in a "whore" remark too ;-). goddamn bug-chasers




    Thats some scary shit right there. I don't know how to put this in the right words but do some of you guys who are in your late 30's and older get angry over statistics like that?

    Some of you had many friends die of this disease and many of those had no idea how they could contract this disease. Some of you saw how vile the gay community was treated initially when it came to HIV and AIDS.

    I've often wondered if you guys find it hard to have sympathy for this generation and my generation knowing we have all the tools to prevent acquiring this horrific disease. It was your generation that pushed for funding, testing, and education.

    2 years ago I spent new years eve in San Francisco. Met the coolest guy. His name was Grant. He was in his early 40's. Beautiful man. That smile and spark in his eyes could light up the room. As the night went on we just seemed to hit it off perfectly. By the end of the evening ( actually early morning ) it was just him and myself sitting in his living talking non stop drinking in each others pressence. He was completely opened and honest with me and shared he was HIV. Within that last year he had faced several health set backs. All I wanted to do was just hug the guy. Cuddle him the entire day. If I were granted one wish that day it would have been to rid him of that bastard disease. He was so gifted. Had so much to offer to society. Oddly enough he didn't bitch or moan about his health. His biggest complaint were those still willing to play a risky game. I know for a fact had Grant been offered all the education on acquiring HIV he would have made damn sure he protected himself.

    Grant passed away 8 months after I met him. I feel like one of the luckiest people to have had the privilege of meeting him. When I think of Grant and I read statistics like this it does anger me. My very special friend who should still be walking this earth died in order that someone else could prevent this from happening in their life.
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    Feb 07, 2008 3:12 AM GMT
    crap
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    Feb 07, 2008 3:27 AM GMT
    This is my experience too..... younguns asking me to bb.. They really get pissed off when i tell them how stupid it is to ever have unprotected sex. .
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    Feb 07, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]burninman said[/cite]This is my experience too..... younguns asking me to bb.. They really get pissed off when i tell them how stupid it is to even think about unprotected sex. .
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    Feb 07, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    I am 51 years old. That means I was 18 in 1975.

    I am sure I speak for everyone my age when I tell you that the ranks of men in my age group are far tinier than in any other. During the period 1981-1995, whole address books were burned, since the names of the dead took up pages. I probably lost fewer friends and acquaintances than many, and my toll is well above 40.

    That anyone would expose himself to this is simply, utterly, beyond me. It wasn't just the death...it was as if sex itself had died. Guys were afraid, and rightly, to do much more than masturbate, until some understanding of the transmission process was achieved. It felt like being under siege.

    I don't get it, I really don't.
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:14 AM GMT
    I'm remember, and this is going back quite a few years, when a friend of mine died of AIDS. All I could think of was 'OMG, I have a friend that died of AIDS'. It was traumatizing to be affected by AIDS so closely. I couldn't imagine losing 40+ friends.
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:16 AM GMT
    I totally agree with JP...
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:17 AM GMT
    Here in Washington DC it is estimated that 1 in 20 people are HIV+. The African American community is especially affected by the epidemic. I heard a spot on one of our local radio stations that tomorrow the city is pushing to get as many people tested as possible. I think that is great but in the next blurb they stated that people living with HIV were like those with hyper-tension and diabetes. I know that this is true if proper medical care, drugs and a healthier lifestyle is adopted but I think it is irresponsible of the city to diminish the impact it has on peoples' lives and the fact that many do succumb to AIDS.

    Maybe I am being too sensitive? I just think this thinking diminishes the perceived threat to younger guys.

    Thoughts?
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:19 AM GMT
    I believe i am too well studied to be dumb enough to fuck without a condom esp when i know the statistics. I love all natural sex but i know it's way too risky. That is why when i am partnered up I go to the clinic with him twice to make sure we are both ok before we go and bareback each other. I don't know how i would react if whoever i was with had HIV/AIDS though. IT's a part of gay life but i don't think i would want it to be a part of my life.
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    I know it's a relevant topic, but reading yet another reiteration of an issue that's been hashed and rehashed on here the last couple months has become exhaustingicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:33 AM GMT
    RBY71 saidI know it's a relevant topic, but reading yet another reiteration of an issue that's been hashed and rehashed on here the last couple months has become exhaustingicon_rolleyes.gif


    Whatever dude. Its been in the news quite a lot lately (thank God) and frankly, I am tired of hearing from friends and acquaintances of new people that I know becoming positive.

    I say keep the discussion going - it can not get exhausted! icon_exclaim.gif
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    Navy96 saidHere in Washington DC it is estimated that 1 in 20 people are HIV+.


    It is estimated that 1 in 10 people in NYC are HIV+
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:38 AM GMT
    Alexander89 said I believe i am too well studied to be dumb enough to fuck without a condom esp when i know the statistics. I love all natural sex but i know it's way too risky. That is why when i am partnered up I go to the clinic with him twice to make sure we are both ok before we go and bareback each other. I don't know how i would react if whoever i was with had HIV/AIDS though. IT's a part of gay life but i don't think i would want it to be a part of my life.


    Not to burst your bubble . . . but be very careful. I'm sure natural feels great and I would honestly love to try it. But that is exactly how my friend got it. He trusted his partner who knowingly had it. They went to the clinic together and everything. But my buddy never truly saw his results until too late. He simply trusted him when he said he was "good".

    I realize this is an extreme case of dealing with a demented individual. But they are out there. Stay safe . . .
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:48 AM GMT
    To add to the previous post...HIV has an incubation period of up to 3 to 6 months. So even if you are infected, it might not show up in a test until many months later. Come on guys...making it through everyday society is hard enough. Why let a fatal disease make it even harder?
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    Feb 07, 2008 4:59 AM GMT
    RBY71 saidI know it's a relevant topic, but reading yet another reiteration of an issue that's been hashed and rehashed on here the last couple months has become exhaustingicon_rolleyes.gif


    Navy96 saidWhatever dude. Its been in the news quite a lot lately (thank God) and frankly, I am tired of hearing from friends and acquaintances of new people that I know becoming positive.

    I say keep the discussion going - it can not get exhausted! icon_exclaim.gif


    I appreciate what you're saying, but as an HIV+ person myself I really don't have a lot of sympathy for this new generation of barebackers. I've tried educating people on numerous sites over the years on the reckless stupidity of barebacking. These kids are going to do what they want no matter what you, me, the surgeon general, Jesus, the pope or anyone else has to say about it. I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed, but if you took the time to read some of my earlier posts on the subject, you would understand why this topic becomes frustrating and emotionally exhausting for me. The bottom line is that education isn't working this time around.
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    Feb 07, 2008 11:53 AM GMT
    there is no education. thats the problem. they still teach abstinence only in schools. highschool graduates don't even know that a condom can protect them from HIV and STI's
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    Feb 07, 2008 2:27 PM GMT
    Last nite I bottom for the first time since I am 19, (I am 42). I abstain all this years because of the fear of AIDS. I finally able to convince my ex bf who top me, to do it safe sex all the way. From the bj to the penetration and to the conclusion. I must admit that if feel really good and my love making with him feel more complete. Of course I will never have done it without condom or proper protection. I prepare myself with water based lube and extra thick condom to prevent any possibility of breakage. Its so satisfying to have good sex without any fear at the back of my mind that I might got infected of infected somebody else , especially this one person I really love with all my heart (eventhough we are not together anymore). It really great that my ex are understand of my desire for safer sex. Really I cant wait to bottom for him again.
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    Feb 07, 2008 2:39 PM GMT
    ShawnTO saidI'm remember, and this is going back quite a few years, when a friend of mine died of AIDS. All I could think of was 'OMG, I have a friend that died of AIDS'. It was traumatizing to be affected by AIDS so closely. I couldn't imagine losing 40+ friends.


    They weren't all close friends, Shawn. Some were neighbors, some were clients, some were pals of the hanging-out-sometimes variety, and only five were really close friends. That's why I say that others had much longer lists than I do. Still, it doesn't matter. These terrific people aren't coming back.
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    Feb 12, 2008 9:27 PM GMT
    Alexander89 I will second TXshooter's sentiments. I met a guy in San Fran. who was talked into unprotected anal sex with his partner. Turns out his partner had been wandering and was infected. He in turn infected the guy I met. Believe it or not they remained friends.

    All I can recommend to people is if you are to have unprotected sex you and your partner will have to be very disciplined in staying faithful. If either one of you decides to have an open relationship make sure the other person is aware of it and start putting the latex on.

    The HIV drugs can be effective, but they are hellishly expensive if you do not have insurance, and a significant number of people have bad side effects. Also HIV causes other problems with the body such as acid reflux, inflammation of the muscles and joints, etc..
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    Feb 12, 2008 10:18 PM GMT

    My nurse said you can't get it from tossing salad and that's all I needed to hear! That's all I do. I know "Guilty!!"
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    Feb 12, 2008 10:20 PM GMT
    Yeah it is sad that people are acting like its the common cold.