Know Your Neighbor! Christ Church of Peace publishes list of all people that signed petition to get proposed Amendment on Florida ballot.

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    Feb 07, 2008 9:19 PM GMT
    Please take a look at this. We are up for a big fight in Florida this November. Check out this website to see if any of your Florida contacts signed the petition. icon_eek.gificon_mad.gif

    http://www.knowthyneighbor.org/florida/

    They have links to other states as well.
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    Feb 08, 2008 12:14 AM GMT
    What does privacy mean?
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    Feb 08, 2008 12:32 AM GMT
    Haha. According to this list, the person that everyone thought was the cutest guy in my HS class is homophobic...the whole family is, actually. I googled his last name and he works for his family's Christian-based commercial realty company. Christian-based realty? Good one.

    He's had it rough, though. I had gym class with him and at 18 his balls still hadn't dropped yet and there was hardly any "grass in the field". I'm sure that freaked him out enough to pray pray pray that he wasn't "a gay".

    Well I say god bless the creepy stalkerish internet.

    (evil laughter)

  • ShawnTX

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    Feb 08, 2008 12:57 AM GMT
    What is the proposed amendment?
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    Feb 08, 2008 7:08 AM GMT
    This shit pisses me off.

    Religion is such a horrible thing. Religious folks have a false belief system, to begin with, that they try to impose on others.

    I believe in live and let live. That doesn't mean I don't chose my friends, but, unless someone is stealing, endangering the public, or being a meanace (killing folks, etc.), they just be left the fuck alone.

    In this country, we throw folks in jail for holding different views about their drug of choice, etc. In most civilized countries, that's not the case.

    It's alarming how the illiterate Religious Right pulls this shit in The South.

    That's why it's so very important to be out, unafraid, and proud, and not to endorse false belief systems, whether under the guise of a church, or a cult, or a movement, it's all the same: false belief systems are bad for civilization.

    It's proof positive that many human beings are just plain stupid.
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    Feb 08, 2008 8:58 AM GMT
    ShawnTO saidWhat is the proposed amendment?


    Florida law already prohibits same-sex marriage. However, like many states, Florida voters and legislators wish to enact a State Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. The drive stems from voter concern that Florida courts might recognize gay marriage, overturning current State legislation.

    The text of the proposed Amendment states:

    "Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized."

    It is being fought, but I fear that it will pass anyway. Florida is a redneck, flyover state except for the counties of Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade (and even parts of them are considered flyover in my opinion).
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    Feb 08, 2008 9:03 AM GMT
    There's a real estate broker that I almost went to work for who signed the petition to get this on the ballot. I always check people out under http://www.knowthyneighbor.org/florida and you can be sure when I check the list and I find someone's name there, that person won't get my business or my referrals.

    EXPEDIA (travel) does not get my business because it contributed money to the organization that led the charge to get this awful constitutional amendment question on the ballot in November '08 down here.
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    Feb 08, 2008 9:15 AM GMT
    If you're in Florida go here, sign up, invite your friends to do the same.

    http://www.rightsforall.meetup.com/193

    http://gayrights.meetup.com/63/

    It's important.

    Daniel
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    Feb 08, 2008 11:33 AM GMT
    Although Florida has been leaning right recently since 2000, it is still a 'moderate right' state more along the lines of california and new york's republicans -- maybe just slightly more. We have our fair share of radical right-wingers such as those on the list, but I think in general there will not be the 60% support needed to enact it. All democrats will almost all vote against it, and a good number of moderate republicans and independents will do so as well.

    In fact, I've never even heard of such a petition until now reading this thread. I'm also wondering if everyone who signed that petition knew that their names and addresses would be published to the public..
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    Feb 08, 2008 12:55 PM GMT
    relokou saidAlthough Florida has been leaning right recently since 2000, it is still a 'moderate right' state more along the lines of california and new york's republicans -- maybe just slightly more. We have our fair share of radical right-wingers such as those on the list, but I think in general there will not be the 60% support needed to enact it. All democrats will almost all vote against it, and a good number of moderate republicans and independents will do so as well.

    In fact, I've never even heard of such a petition until now reading this thread. I'm also wondering if everyone who signed that petition knew that their names and addresses would be published to the public..


    Well relokou, it has been swirling around for a few years and now it has been certified to be placed on the ballot in November, 2008.

    I bet a lot of people that signed it didn't know their names would be public.
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    Feb 08, 2008 1:27 PM GMT
    Florida tried to institutionalize bigotry with the Anita Bryant thing years ago, and they're trying again.
    These fights will keep coming up until we have Federal protections.
    Get out the vote, guys. And think about financially supporting organizations which fight on our behalf.
    J.
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    Feb 08, 2008 1:34 PM GMT
    Thanks dfrw for posting the rights for all link. Can you believe there are more registered democrats that republicans in florida? That is according the the Orlando Sentinel.
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    Feb 08, 2008 1:46 PM GMT
    wildboyorl saidThanks dfrw for posting the rights for all link. Can you believe there are more registered democrats that republicans in florida? That is according the the Orlando Sentinel.


    You bet.

    Vote NO on Amendment 2 in Florida on November 4, 2008

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    Feb 08, 2008 2:31 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidWhat does privacy mean?


    I bet these people will be the same ones that lower their heads and look away when the trains cart us off to the camps.

    When a petition is signed and sent to the board of elections to place a proposed amendment on the ballot, all the names on said petition become public record. I applaud Christ Church of Peace for publishing the list. After finding one of our neighbors on the list we plan to open a dialog with her and ask her if she realized what she was signing. She is a Realtor in our community and she has been very friendly and chatty with both me and my partner. If she didn't realize what she was signing then maybe we have a chance to have her vote NO on the amendment. If she did know what she was signing then maybe we should stand up for what we believe in and dismiss her from our circle of acquaintances.
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    Feb 08, 2008 2:34 PM GMT
    Thank you dfrw for helping me out here. I appreciate it! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 08, 2008 2:38 PM GMT
    The text of the proposed Amendment states:

    "Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized."


    Is that the entire language of the Amendment? I would ask what the language on the ballot is.

    Let me tell you how evil they were in Georgia: The ballot that everyone saw and voted for contained only the heart of section (a) of the Amendment: "Shall the Constitution be amended so as to provide that this state shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman?"

    However, the Amendment that went to law when people voted also includes a section (b) that essential outlaws any form of domestic partnership benefits that the public never saw, and could not include in their decision: "(a) This state shall recognize as marriage only the union of man and woman. Marriages between persons of the same sex are prohibited in this state.
    (b) No union between persons of the same sex shall be recognized by this state as entitled to the benefits of marriage. This state shall not give effect to any public act, record, or judicial proceeding of any other state or jurisdiction respecting a relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage under the laws of such other state or jurisdiction. The courts of this state shall have no jurisdiction to grant a divorce or separate maintenance with respect to any such relationship or otherwise to consider or rule on any of the parties´ respective rights arising as a result of or in connection with such relationship."


    So basically the citizens voted against domestic partnership benefits without even knowing it. icon_evil.gif
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    Feb 08, 2008 3:46 PM GMT
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    I have not yet found the amendment text proper, but here is what Fairness for All Families say about its potential impact on non-same-sex couples (as copied and pasted from http://www.fairnessforallfamilies.org/press.html# ):


    "September 23, 2007

    Our view: Say no to bigotry


    Florida's proposed same-sex marriage ban threatens everyone's protections

    When misguided religious and political groups attempt to deny gays legal rights under the guise of protecting marriage, you better watch out for your own rights.

    That's what is happening in Florida, as supporters of a proposed constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage try to get the issue on the November 2008 ballot.

    Here's what the proposed amendment says:

    "Inasmuch as marriage is the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized."

    Here's why -- behind the legalese -- the amendment is dangerous and immoral, and should be rejected by voters.

    • It would write discrimination into the Florida Constitution, stripping gays of protections solely because of whom they choose to love or live with.

    That's wrong, and makes it unconscionable that U.S. Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Indialantic, and state Rep. Ralph Poppell, R-Vero Beach, have endorsed the amendment, according to the Web site of Orlando-based Florida4Marriage.org. which is pushing the issue.

    The amendment is also supported by Gov. Charlie Crist, the Florida Republican Party, Florida Baptist Convention, Florida Catholic Conference and fundamentalist Christian groups.

    • It's unneeded, because same-sex marriage is already illegal in Florida, as it is in most states.

    Supporters of the amendment say constitutional bans are necessary because anti-gay marriage laws can be reversed.

    Or struck down by judges, as happened in one Iowa court in August.

    But a Maryland court Tuesday upheld that state's law banning same-sex marriage.

    That give and take shows that legislatures are exactly where the issue belongs.

    And where it should continue to be debated as society strives to make America's great promise of "equality for all" more than a catchphrase.

    • The amendment could have widespread consequences for domestic partners of any stripe, and their dependents.

    That includes elderly Floridians of either sex who live together for economic reasons, but are unmarried.

    Because the amendment "makes no distinction between heterosexual and homosexual, the only people conceivably not left stripped (of protections) are certain married couples," says Merritt Island civil rights attorney Mark Tietig, who opposes the amendment.

    For example, domestic partners who receive benefits through some employers could lose them.

    That's already happening in other states.

    Ohio state Rep. Tom Brinkman has sued Miami University, a public institution, for offering domestic partner benefits, citing that state's constitutional ban.

    If his suit is successful, one consequence will be that children of gay couples employed at the school will lose health insurance coverage.

    A Michigan court has also ruled public employers can't offer benefits to unmarried couples, because of that state's constitutional ban.

    The amendment further jeopardizes basic legal protections like inheritance rights, hospital visitation and medical decision-making rights for anyone outside its narrow limits.

    It is, in short, a vengeful, bigoted proposal flown under the false banner of a religious cause.

    From: http://www.floridatoday.com"

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    Feb 08, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    Religion, by definition, attracts weak-minded people. What makes it so very dangerous is when these folks gather in groups to impose their false beliefs upon others.

    While the Mid-East may be more brazen...stonings and such...the folks in Florida are every bit as bad, but, perhaps a bit more subtle in their efforts of control upon others. They are just plain horrible people, and it's important not to be passive, nor afraid, when dealing with them. Understand, they are nuts to begin with because of their false beliefs, and, their ultimate agenda is imposing the their beliefs, and lifestyle, upon others. It's called bigotry, hate, intolerance. Religion is the vehicle that their machines uses, but, it's still a terrible thing, even with the wrapper around it.
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    Feb 08, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    chuckystud said...the folks in Florida are every bit as bad


    Geez, chuck. Nuke the whole state?
  • DrStorm

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    Feb 08, 2008 5:15 PM GMT
    This is exactly why I left this white-trash state. Go look on a map...is it not co-incidence that FLORIDUH looks like a penis? icon_twisted.gif

    PEACE

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    Feb 08, 2008 5:22 PM GMT
    The same thing happened in Oregon - a small group of conservative zealots with loud voices and deep pockets (primarily out-of-state money) tried to stop the Domestic Partnersip law from being inacted. They were overturned by a Federal judge and as of last Friday Oregon now has Domestic Partnership registration. This is the same group who tried to stop anti-discrimination legislation from passing last year and also the same group who were able to enact a constitutional amendment stating that "marriage is between a man and a woman". In Oregon we have an assisted suicide law and for years they tried to over turn that - and failed miserably.

    Sadly - it is the same group of religious zealots in every state who try to justify discrimination based on the Bible. I always remind my straight friends that if they are able to legalize discrimination against gays - who are they going to target next?
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    Feb 08, 2008 6:34 PM GMT
    Is it so neccesary to know where these people live?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 08, 2008 9:08 PM GMT
    Alexander89 said Is it so neccesary to know where these people live?icon_rolleyes.gif


    The whole idea of putting this information out there is so those of us who live in Florida and would be directly affected by this amendment can look around at our neighbors and see who signed this dastardly petition. All the information exists so the county supervisors of elections can verify that the people who signed are registered voters in each individual county. I realized that my next door neighbor signed this thing and he is gay with a partner! I think the most important thing about this is to start a dialog with those that live near you and say "hey you know this thing really will affect my life, are you really sure you want to support something like that?"
    It really turns my stomach to go through the list and see people I know...but it also empowers me to do something about it. Also as a side note you'd be surprised what is out there in the realm of public record. Property values, court documents, speeding tickets...this isn't some Big Brother thing invented by the internet, it is just easier to access this information now that a lot of it is on-line.
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    Feb 08, 2008 9:36 PM GMT
    The guys above who have posted broad generalizations about Florida remind me that even within our community there are ignorant people who, in effect, are no better than the ignorant people who began this petition in the first place. Lest you think it's a problem for a backwoods, swampwater state like mine and not yours, well, check out the political geography:

    http://www.hrc.org/documents/marriage_prohibit_20070919.pdf

    Get involved. Support organizations that are fighting for our equality. The Human Rights Campaign has teamed with Florida Red & Blue to fight this thing, and there's plenty that can be done between now and Election Day in November. Don't forget that divisive amendment proposals like this one are used by the Right to help turn out Republican voters at the general election... so it ain't just a Florida thing.

    Human Rights Campaign: http://www.hrc.org
    Florida Red & Blue: http://www.floridaredandblue.com
    Lambda Legal Defense & Education Fund: http://www.lambdalegal.org
  • OutOfEden

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    Feb 08, 2008 10:11 PM GMT
    I've been working with the university groups working in our area with HRC, it's not a lost cause, but our work is cut out for us!