Bush Worst President of the Modern Era

  • GQjock

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    Jul 04, 2010 12:44 PM GMT
    Like we even needed Verification of that
    but it was basically unanimous among political scholars that George W Bush was one of our worst Presidents

    http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0701/nations-leading-presidential-scholars-bush-worst-president-modern-era-5th-worst-history/

    President Bush ranked worst among modern presidents -- and the fifth worst in history, according to the poll by the Siena Research Institute
    Results of Siena College Research Institute Presidential Ranking Survey
    Bottom Five Presidents by Survey Year
    2010
    A. Johnson (43) Messed up Reconstruction of the South that led to the panic of the 1870's
    (42) Buchanan Set up and did nothing about the political divide between the North and South that led to the Civil War
    (40) Harding
    Pierce (39) Allowed the North and South to set up positions politically and economically that directly led to the Civil War
    GW Bush (3icon_cool.gif Errr .... I need to remind You?? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:05 PM GMT
    As my Dad would say... "and I thought Reagan was bad"... I'm glad to see that "historians" (not liberals... a variety, a balance of historians) rank this
    "Bushhead" at the bottom based on facts and figures... not politics!
  • rnch

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    my father was fond of mumbling to himself, while reading the editorial page of the local newspaper "i didn't think Kennedy was all that great...until i saw what came after him!" icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
    ...on environmental issues, Bush has to rank as the worst...but by far. As we have seen just recently with the Gulf oil spill, the only way to undo these things is to revisit each issue, each decision, each permit granted and review them one by one.
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:11 PM GMT
    He was
  • darkeyedresol...

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:14 PM GMT
    Think its weird you can rank Obama at all on the list when he hasn't finished a term yet, and no one really knows what the full impact of his presidency will be.
  • davepalen

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:15 PM GMT
    It is a biased group. Jimmy Carter had to be one of the worse.
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
    GQjock saidLike we even needed Verification of that
    but it was basically unanimous among political scholars that George W Bush was one of our worst Presidents

    http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0701/nations-leading-presidential-scholars-bush-worst-president-modern-era-5th-worst-history/

    President Bush ranked worst among modern presidents -- and the fifth worst in history, according to the poll by the Siena Research Institute
    Results of Siena College Research Institute Presidential Ranking Survey
    Bottom Five Presidents by Survey Year
    2010
    A. Johnson (43) Messed up Reconstruction of the South that led to the panic of the 1870's
    (42) Buchanan Set up and did nothing about the political divide between the North and South that led to the Civil War
    (40) Harding
    Pierce (39) Allowed the North and South to set up positions politically and economically that directly led to the Civil War
    GW Bush (3icon_cool.gif Errr .... I need to remind You?? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Dishonorable mention to Karl Rove...
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    davepalen saidIt is a biased group. Jimmy Carter had to be one of the worse.


    Absolutely disagree with that assessment... fortunately clued in historians, ranking with facts and figures, rank him in the middle.
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    Well, at least Bush can now literally swim in oil, which I'm sure he's been dreaming of doing for a while... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    GQjock saidLike we even needed Verification of that
    but it was basically unanimous among political scholars that George W Bush was one of our worst Presidents


    As even most of those historians who were surveyed will tell you, you need at least 50 years after a presidency to make a "valid comparison". From the same survey, note the radically changing views on various presidents:
    http://readme.readmedia.com/Americas-Greatest-Worst-Presidents-Sienas-5th-Presidential-Expert-Poll-1982-2010/1546118
    Bill Clinton, now nearly ten years removed from the White House, moved upwards in the rankings from 18th overall in 2002 to 13th today. Clinton moved up the list based on improving ratings of his background and his executive appointments but continued to be haunted by his integrity and failure to avoid critical mistakes. G. H. Bush's legacy held constant with the one term Bush fixed at 22nd.

    Ronald Reagan dropped two places from 16th overall in 2002 to 18th today. Still, Reagan remains highly regarded for his luck, party leadership, communication ability, relationship with Congress and his leadership ability. Jimmy Carter, despite continuing visibility and philanthropic efforts, dropped from 25th in 2002 to 32nd in 2010. Carter's high suit is his enviable integrity rating (7th) but he draws low marks for his handling of the economy, relationship with Congress, party leadership, luck, executive and leadership abilities and his failure to avoid crucial mistakes.

    My guess is that President GW Bush will ultimately be judged on how he responded to September 11th. Despite all the silly rantings the reality is that despite the big issues Obama inherited (as all Presidents do), things seem to have been getting worse economically and it would also appear the US will be even more seriously burdened with debt levels nearly unprecedented and deficits that are unprecedented. I am guessing that Bush's ratings on this survey will improve while Obama's will drop - and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that this should happen.

    Further, anyone who looks at these things should note that Siena doesn't make any claims to ideological balancing of scholars and the tendency to get some radically different results from different surveys of scholars:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

    Of course, if I were more cynical, I'd say that surveys like this are useful to distract people from the seriousness of the real problems now as the current Obama Administration begins another offensive on the Bush Administration despite having been out of office for nearly 2 years and with midterm elections coming up. Clearly despite the affinity that these scholars have for the current President, voters and even Senators and Congressmen do not feel the same way attempting to distance themselves from President Obama.

    Of course, as you allude to yourself, your interest in this survey was less about a look at objective metrics but rather a way to validate your preconceived ideas.
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    Well he sure ranks low on my list icon_redface.gif
  • rnch

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]riddler78 said...My guess is that President GW Bush will ultimately be judged on how he responded to September 11th.....[/quote]

    by going after the wrong enemy in the wrong country and by lying to his fellow Americans about starting a war that he couldn't pay for while searching for "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    davepalen saidIt is a biased group. Jimmy Carter had to be one of the worse.



    Not true.
  • rnch

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    Jul 04, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    davepalen saidIt is a biased group. Jimmy Carter had to be one of the worse.
    he can't be, with bush 2 on the list icon_exclaim.gif
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    Jul 04, 2010 3:59 PM GMT
    rnch saidriddler78 said...My guess is that President GW Bush will ultimately be judged on how he responded to September 11th.....

    by going after the wrong enemy in the wrong country and by lying to his fellow Americans about starting a war that he couldn't pay for while searching for "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Not sure if you want to get into the specifics - but the state of the US budget is not the way it is because of either war. Also, if you've ever watched Al Gore's speeches pre 2000 (Youtube), he is the one who looks like the war monger who is "lying" to the American public. I imagine it's difficult to be objective but I do believe that September 11th was the primary defining moment for the GWB presidency by a large margin and further, it is far too soon to the point of being silly to judge his or Obama's Presidency.
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    Jul 04, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
    Reagan was to the US what Thatcher was to the UK (unsuprisingly, as they were almost joined at the hip). Thatcher was seen as getting the country back on its feet, after a period of industrial turmoil and trade union domination. She was also seen as very divisive and Britain saw the worst rioting of modern times. Reagan was seen as similarly controversial, but it would be wrong not to give him some of the credit for ending the Cold War.
  • rnch

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    Jul 04, 2010 4:21 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    rnch saidriddler78 said...My guess is that President GW Bush will ultimately be judged on how he responded to September 11th.....

    by going after the wrong enemy in the wrong country and by lying to his fellow Americans about starting a war that he couldn't pay for while searching for "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found? icon_rolleyes.gif

    ... I do believe that September 11th was the primary defining moment for the GWB presidency by a large margin....
    on this you and I can agree! he was just barely keeping his head above the political waters up to sept 10...then his presidency went downhill the very next day.
  • irishkcguy

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    Jul 04, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    I'm sort of curious how any gay person could ever defend George W Bush as President. This is the same guy who in 2004 in order to help get out the right wing vote worked to put constitutional amendments on ballots in 11 states that banned gay marriage. As a political tool to bolster his own re-election George W Bush worked to make gays unequal citizens.
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    Jul 04, 2010 5:05 PM GMT
    it is funny to hear how some stretch to support W. i suppose there are some in mongolia who long for the old days under attila. it's called the stockholm syndrome and it accurately describes people who fell in love with a guy (and his administration) whose desire it was to restore power to the presidency at all costs. they thrived on the chaos they created because it only gave them more leverage in gaining more power...

    post-9/11 the US had unconditional global support. it didn't take long to squander that and create a world where the US was looked at as the next soviet union. no amount of voting helped in this country as the 2004 election showed. cheney and the puppet gave the country the bird and kept the pedal to the metal...straight into the ground.

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    Jul 04, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    Usually it takes the passage of 50 years before any type of unbiased accurate history can be discussed.
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    Jul 04, 2010 5:14 PM GMT
    He probably won't be know as one of the best. He won't be known as oe of the worst. Usually ten years or so has to pass before the polls have meaning.

    This present summary of rankings seems to give the title of "worst" to James Buchanan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
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    Jul 04, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    [url] http://www.siena.edu/uploadedfiles/home/parents_and_community/community_page/sri/independent_research/Presidents%202010%20Rank%20by%20Category.pdf [/url]

    Interesting... Bush's level of intelligence is rated at 42nd lol.
  • darkeyedresol...

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    Jul 04, 2010 5:22 PM GMT
    And he might get the Truman treatment, which has been an overall transformation from the negative to the positive about his presidency. It took decades but he definitely got a much better appraisal as time went on, same thing has happened with Eisenhower.

    But it takes awhile, thats why it seems incredible to even have Obama ranked at all.
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    Jul 04, 2010 5:23 PM GMT
    darkeyedresolve saidAnd he might get the Truman treatment, which has been an overall transformation from the negative to the positive about his presidency. It took decades but he definitely got a much better appraisal as time went on, same thing has happened with Eisenhower.

    But it takes awhile, thats why it seems incredible to even have Obama ranked at all.


    Or the Nixon treatment. Nixon's stock improved but it took years.