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I just hit on an idea...

Y'see, meat is a luxury here in the Philippines. I'm still financially dependent on my parents and thus at the mercy to whatever my mom cooks. She's old fashioned and I have two younger siblings. She's totally budget conscious, a bit limited in culinary skills (LOL), and has this idea that vegetables and only vegetables are good for you. If she had her way, it'd be veggies everyday.

Not saying it isn't good, but that I just don't like to eat veggies. It's why I grew up skinny. I'm very very picky when it comes to food. When I don't like the food, I can very easily turn off my appetite and skip meals. My younger bro isn't, and even though he's a year or so younger than me, he's bigger and taller than me by an inch. I also can't stand eating. :S I want to eat as fast as I can, it's why I hate fish coz you have to pick off the meat from the bones. Anyway, I couldn't very well march up to my mom and demand she cook steak every day! LOL

So here's my idea. What if... I drink something like 6 eggs everyday? Like 2 in the morning, 2 at lunch, 2 at dinner. I don't know my caloric requirements for growth (how do I compute that? I'm 5'6", 136 lbs), plus I don't know how much calories there are in eggs. But eggs are relatively cheap compared to meat, and they're full of proteins aren't they? I wouldn't even need to cook em, just put em in the osterizer, let it turn into goo then drink it straight up... trying my best not to throw up of course. LOL (I'll probably keep something as a chaser nearby, milk perhaps...)

6 uncooked eggs on top of my normal meals, everyday? Is six enough?

Is this a good plan to get me the proteins I so desperately need without resorting to cannibalism? LOL

P.S. I've tried it. It's quite okay. If I drink it down really fast, it tastes like I just ate a runny sunny-side-up

Well if you dont mind having a Biotin deficiency go for it. Biotin is a main factor in maintaining hair. When you eat raw eggs the raw egg whites have a chemical that cancels out the Biotin in the egg yolk. Also are your eggs pasteurized to get rid of any bacteria that could be in it. My suggestion would just stick to the fish, you dont need to eat it quickly, and for veggies, see if your mom can get some beans, like black beans, they are good in fiber and have a fair amount of protein per serving.
Definitely though stay away from the raw eggs....

here is an US nutrition label for an egg, and whites and yokes separated.
like notsomuch said, you have to be really careful about raw eggs, with salmonella and all. Also there is cholesterol and fat in the yokes. I've heard limit to 1 or 2 yokes a day.
Here in the US, you can by a carton of pastured egg white only, so no food poising worries, plus less of fat and other "bad" stuff.
normally for breakfast, I'll scramble the equivalent of 3 or so whites, and one whole egg.
it would probably be safer to cook the eggs than to just drink them raw. and possibly separate them and only use whites.


whites

yokes

I hope you are not consuming 6 whole raw eggs a day... Even though you are young and your body can probably handle a lot, you are simply going overload on the cholesterol scale in no time. 2 yokes -- 3 pushing it -- would be what you should consume in a day. You can be more liberal on the egg whites though. But you still shouldn't eat them raw. Also, egg whites contain trypsin inhibitors which counteract the absorbtion of certain proteins.

Theres an article on this from the Incredible, Edible, Egg website

The Incredible, Edible Egg YolkWhile egg whites are not particularly important to consume, they are relatively harmless when cooked. However, raw egg whites should NOT be consumed.

Egg whites contain anti-nutrients. Avidin is a glycoprotein in egg whites that binds to the B vitamin biotin, and can lead to a deficiency of this vitamin.

Additionally, egg whites contain trypsin inhibitors, which could possibly inhibit proper digestion of protein, and growth. Heat destroys both of these compounds.

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Egg_Yolk.html

Lentils also have a good amount of protein and quinoa is a high protein almost perfect food. Besides, giving yourself salmonella would just be unfortunate.

RBY71 saidLentils also have a good amount of protein and quinoa is a high protein almost perfect food.

According to http://www.nutritiondata.com/, in terms of percentage of calories, quinoa is 15% protein, which is about the same as wheat (wheat's protein varies according to variety). Cooked lentils are 27% protein. A boiled egg is 35% protein. Lean sirloin steak is 59% protein. According to those figures, quinoa really isn't all that high in protein. At 20% protein, even raw broccoli has more protein than quinoa.

Besides which, one large egg has about 7 grams of protein. 7 x 6 = 42 grams of protein. I don't know what or how much veggies you're eating (from your post, it doesn't sound like you're eating a lot) but I can tell you that, as a base level, 42 grams of protein per day won't even begin to help you promote real muscle growth. You might want to look into protein supplements.

breakfast: 6 egg whites w/ one york, bowl of oatmeal, haf a slice of bagel, one glass of OJ & cup of coffee

2nd meal: grilled salmon w/ vege & vogurt

Lunch: grilled lean streak w/ bake yam & apple

4th meal: garden salad w/ tuna & protein shake

5th meal: grilled salmon w/ brown rice & fruits

6th meal: muscle milk & apple & walnuts

OK! OK!

I'll cook em!

Two eggs a day, yolk and whites, and COOKED.

(I've had a brush with typhoid before, so I do NOT want salmonella, LOL)

Quinoa and Lentils are exotic food here. Probably only available in the imported section of the supermarkets... and probably prohibitively expensive.

Fish too. It's a 3 hour drive to the nearest coastline, so fish are expensive.

Mom seems to be cooking more meat these days though. So that's good. I eat a lot.

Protein supplements... that's the problem. I don't think there are any sold in the nearby city. And if there are they'll be way too expensive too. I'll try and see if I can get them though.

Okay, I think I'll just stick to whatever my mom cooks. *sigh* I do like veggies every now and then.

BTW: Thanks much guys!

I've never understood why people are so afraid of eggs. Dietary cholesterol does NOT raise your blood cholesterol levels.

Eggs are good for you. Eat the yolks.

The ONLY acceptable reason, IMO, to not eat the yolk is because you are on a calorie restricted diet. Other than that, you're wasting the good stuff.

There is another very compelling, very pracitcal reason not to drink egg whites: gas. Egg white can give you room-clearing, hole-in-the-seat gas that smells like it emanated from the ninth layer of Hell.

paradox saidAccording to those figures, quinoa really isn't all that high in protein. At 20% protein, even raw broccoli has more protein than quinoa.

Quinoa is a complete protein though, so it is very useful in that respect. But I wont contradict anyone's mama who tells them to eat their broccoli.

TexanMan82 saidI've never understood why people are so afraid of eggs. Dietary cholesterol does NOT raise your blood cholesterol levels.

Eggs are good for you. Eat the yolks.

The ONLY acceptable reason, IMO, to not eat the yolk is because you are on a calorie restricted diet. Other than that, you're wasting the good stuff.

THANK YOU. Finally some sanity. There's so much misinformation when it comes to food. If you can find eggs from pastured chickens that are allowed to eat their natural omnivorous diet, you will be eating a very healthy food.

There was an article here on RJ about eggs. It talked about not breaking yolks when you cook the eggs as this oxidizes the cholesterol and that oxidized cholesterol is what's so bad for you. I love eggs, they are the perfect food. They're delicious and they come in their own packaging. And there's something about that shape...

McGayIt talked about not breaking yolks when you cook the eggs

Believe me, most of the time I'm really trying not to

[quote]THANK YOU. Finally some sanity. There's so much misinformation when it comes to food. If you can find eggs from pastured chickens that are allowed to eat their natural omnivorous diet, you will be eating a very healthy food.[/quote]

I was about to CRACK UP because I read your sentence as "eggs from pasteurized chickens"! now THAT I would like to see. I think a "pasteurized" chicken would be "boiled chicken", wouldn't it?

I see that you are advocating eggs from free range chickens, not pasteurized eggs. Which, for those that like to eat raw eggs (for whatever ungodly reason), are infinitely safer for you than unpasturized, regular eggs. (From unpasturized chickens. LOL!)

Jebus, this guy lives in the Philippines.

If eggs are your best source of protein (and it sounds like they are) then by all means eat eggs. Do cook them. You might want to boil them as that is easy to do and means that you are eating eggs and not the condiments.

Eggs and beans are the perfect foods. Beans you have in the Philippines in some abundance.

Forget about protein powders, it is a waste of your money (which it sounds like you don't have to waste).

By all means do eat your veggies. Here mom is right. This is where your vitamins are coming from.

Good luck,
Terry

TexanMan82 saidI've never understood why people are so afraid of eggs. Dietary cholesterol does NOT raise your blood cholesterol levels.

Eggs are good for you. Eat the yolks.

The ONLY acceptable reason, IMO, to not eat the yolk is because you are on a calorie restricted diet. Other than that, you're wasting the good stuff.

Eggs are fat handgrenades Im sorry to say otherwise when you look at the level of calories v satiety its way off the scale and would screw up his macro intake way too much.

Sedative is it protein sources you are after or just variation?

The eggs in my fridge have 4.5 g of fat. 1.5 g. of that is saturated fat. That means 3 g are of the poly or mono variety.

I'll take the eggs. Especially mine that are high in Omega 3 fats and and are chock full of good stuff.

If you're THAT concerned about eggs, cut out some saturated fat somewhere else. But, not the eggs.

I grew up on black beans and rice. Very healthy and lot's or iron. I suggest that you eat your veggies even if you don't like it. I mean you will drink raw eggs but you say you don' t like veggies. Enjoy your food and don't rush through nutrition. Good luck to you.

TexanMan82 saidThe eggs in my fridge have 4.5 g of fat. 1.5 g. of that is saturated fat. That means 3 g are of the poly or mono variety.

I'll take the eggs. Especially mine that are high in Omega 3 fats and and are chock full of good stuff.

If you're THAT concerned about eggs, cut out some saturated fat somewhere else. But, not the eggs.

do you seriously think that suggesting to consume 6 whole eggs a day is a good nutritional strategy?

From the American Egg Nutition Board Website (ie the pro eggers)

Q. How many eggs can I eat in a day?


A. The Dietary Guidelines for Americans and the American Heart Association recommend that individuals consume, on average, less than 300 mg of cholesterol per day. Enjoying an egg or two a day can fall within those guidelines, particularly if individuals opt for other low-cholesterol foods throughout the day. Eggs contain 212 mg of cholesterol.

Formulate you own opinion based on the facts not on someone elses personal interpretation of them:

http://www.aeb.org/Index.asp

Dietary cholesterol does not contribute to blood cholesterol.

Polyunsaturated fats are the majority of fats in eggs.

Eggs are good for you.

And I don't recall saying to eat 6 eggs a day

TexanMan82 saidAnd I don't recall saying to eat 6 eggs a day

you didnt read the post and you didnt read the reports that back it up

The original post was should I eat 6 eggs a day in the absence of meat.

Correct dietary cholesterol does not equate to blood cholesterol. But excess fat and excess dieatry cholesterol does.

The stance point of egg cholesterol is bad for you was previously based on restricting cholesterol in all forms and keeping fat low in heart patients and elderly based on studies that were undertaken on a middle aged study group. This has subsequently been overturned.

What has not been overturned is that too many eggs ie over 2 a day is not good for you.

ursamajorJebus, this guy lives in the Philippines.

If eggs are your best source of protein (and it sounds like they are) then by all means eat eggs. Do cook them. You might want to boil them as that is easy to do and means that you are eating eggs and not the condiments.

Eggs and beans are the perfect foods. Beans you have in the Philippines in some abundance.

doh. LOL. Thus you see why McDonald's wouldn't cut it. LOL

bfg1Sedative is it protein sources you are after or just variation?

Protein I guess, and the sheer easiness of just gulping them down rather than sitting to 5 meals a day.

No worries though. I've since gained better appetite and now eat EVERYTHING. Heh. Icky veggies included.

Plus mom has agreed to incorporate meat daily into the menu. So I guess, it's not any more a problem. Heh

I do feel HORRIBLY embarassed about this thread. ROFL

Thanks guys.

I'm just curious since it hasn't been mentioned here yet. Do you not have canned tuna available where you live?

Canned tuna is usually cheap and readily available. One can of tuna is packed with 32.5 grams of protein without all the cholesterol of six eggs.

As others have posted before, you're young now and probably not too concerned about cholesterol yet. But six eggs contain a total of almost 1300mg of cholesterol. The daily recommended limit is only 300mg.

If you want protein and calories, try a tunafish sandwich with whole grain bread. The black beans and rice others have suggested is also a good idea.

Plus there's that whole raw egg problem, also mentioned before so I won't repeat it.

Overall, six raw eggs per day = bad idea. Go for better alternatives.

Dietary cholesterol does not contribute to blood cholesterol

TexanMan82 saidDietary cholesterol does not contribute to blood cholesterol

You would be correct if you were saying "in a balanced diet dieatary cholesterol will not influence blood cholesterol."

However, research scientists are of the opinion a balanced diet would not constitute more than 2 eggs per day, depending on total calorie intake, anything over that then the fat ratio compared to the other macros would be way off par. That doesnt event take into account any other saturated fat sources you maybe consuming during the day.

So again, whilst dietary cholesterol does not equate to blood cholesterol you are looking at things in isolation not on the basis of the information put forward ie should ie eat 6 eggs a day.

The answer to that is no as if you start to crunch the macros the fat intake is way outside the scale of what is considered a healthy balanced diet and that level of dietary cholesterol is not advisable or nutritionaly beneficial

so is it saturated fat or dietary cholesterol?

If you're THAT concerned about it, change up your diet to take into accont the amount of saturated fat in eggs.

you said it yourself: balance.

But once again, DIETARY CHOLESTEROL DOES NOT CONTRIBUTE TO BLOOD CHOLESTEROL

TexanMan82 saidDietary cholesterol does not contribute to blood cholesterol

You keep repeating this, but are you a doctor? If not, what do you know that so many doctors, the American Medical Association, and the American Heart Association don't?

They all abide by the recommendation of 300mg of dietary cholesterol or less per day.

I think I'll take that advice over anything some guy on an internet forum says.

Eggs taste best slow scrambled with cream cheese.

Go ahead, but keep in mind that it has not been reevaulated since the 1970s. Almost 40 years. You think we haven't learned more in that time?

Yeah, go ahead and follow what all those associations say, you know, like the American Diabetes Association who recommends that diabetics get the majority of their food from grains and starches. Yeah, those people are neeeever wrong.

But go ahead, don't eat one of nature's most nutritious foods. A complete protein.

Like I said, if you're THAT worried about the saturated fat in eggs, balance it out somewhere else in your diet. I'm sure you're getting saturated fat from another source that doesn't compare to the nutritional value of the egg.

I mean humans have only been eating eggs since...well forever! We evolved on that stuff.

TexanMan82 saidGo ahead, but keep in mind that it has not been reevaulated since the 1970s. Almost 40 years. You think we haven't learned more in that time?

Who told you that? Dietary science is continually being evaluated, just like every other field of science. New discoveries are made all the time and a better understanding of how food interacts with the body emerges on an on-going basis.

Medical professionals have to earn CME (Continuing Medical Education) credits in order to keep their licenses current. This is designed to keep doctors current on the latest discoveries. If the medical industry simply relied on studies from 40 years ago, there would be no need for CME. They are not relying on 40 year old information.

I mean humans have only been eating eggs since...well forever! We evolved on that stuff.

Well, the human life span was also about 40 years of age just a few centuries ago. It's now close to 80. I think we've improved quite a bit and shouldn't ignore better diet and health science as a notable reason for that.

What are you talking about? I'm talking about the recommended dietary cholesterol guidelines. Not doctors taking refresher courses.

And you really think the increase in human life span has all to do with improved diet? Ummm...have you been paying attention to what's happening in industrialized nations?

I would venture to guess that the increase in human lifespan has more to do with advance in medical procedures than eating two or less eggs a day.

Are diet, health, and medicine not intrinsically linked?

I see you have your point of view and are determined to stick with it, but it's not sound advice, especially for anyone with a family history of heart disease.

There are people out there who insist that HIV is harmless and doesn't cause AIDS. I tend not to listen to these people either.

Let's deal with the issue and not a straw man (HIV & AIDS).

Now we're talking about a family with a history of heart disease. The scenario with which we are dealing has changed ever time.

First the average American.

Now a family with a history of heart disease. When have I given advice to anyone who has mentioned having a history of heart disease?

Look, a healthy diet includes eggs. Now, you should be smart enough to BALANCE out what you're eating. But, eggs are just too good a nutrional source to cut down on them and continue to consume saturated fat in another part of your diet. How about you adjust it so that you can have the fat in the eggs?

LatinMuscleSF saidroom-clearing, hole-in-the-seat gas that smells like it emanated from the ninth layer of Hell.

Now THAT is colorful language. Bless you my son.

And Obscenewish: Bless you too, you overeducated loon, for providing the perfect Waters background to the topic.

You guys are too much fun.

(* glugs down another raw egg cocktail *)

K

TexanMan82 said
Look, a healthy diet includes eggs. Now, you should be smart enough to BALANCE out what you're eating.

After insinuating that I've gotten off topic, you're talking about eating eggs in the context of a well-rounded, balanced diet. But in case you forgot, the original poster was talking about eating SIX raw eggs per day!

That is not part of a well-rounded, balanced diet. That's why everyone here (except you) is a bit horrified at the idea.

Sedative14 saidI just hit on an idea...

Y'see, meat is a luxury here in the Philippines. I'm still financially dependent on my parents and thus at the mercy to whatever my mom cooks. She's old fashioned and I have two younger siblings. She's totally budget conscious, a bit limited in culinary skills (LOL), and has this idea that vegetables and only vegetables are good for you. If she had her way, it'd be veggies everyday.

Not saying it isn't good, but that I just don't like to eat veggies. It's why I grew up skinny. I'm very very picky when it comes to food. When I don't like the food, I can very easily turn off my appetite and skip meals. My younger bro isn't, and even though he's a year or so younger than me, he's bigger and taller than me by an inch. I also can't stand eating. :S I want to eat as fast as I can, it's why I hate fish coz you have to pick off the meat from the bones. Anyway, I couldn't very well march up to my mom and demand she cook steak every day! LOL

So here's my idea. What if... I drink something like 6 eggs everyday? Like 2 in the morning, 2 at lunch, 2 at dinner. I don't know my caloric requirements for growth (how do I compute that? I'm 5'6", 136 lbs), plus I don't know how much calories there are in eggs. But eggs are relatively cheap compared to meat, and they're full of proteins aren't they? I wouldn't even need to cook em, just put em in the osterizer, let it turn into goo then drink it straight up... trying my best not to throw up of course. LOL (I'll probably keep something as a chaser nearby, milk perhaps...)

6 uncooked eggs on top of my normal meals, everyday? Is six enough?

Is this a good plan to get me the proteins I so desperately need without resorting to cannibalism? LOL

P.S. I've tried it. It's quite okay. If I drink it down really fast, it tastes like I just ate a runny sunny-side-up

I watch a lot of the Travel Channel and have seen a few episodes where Anthony Bourdain eats a partially fertilized boiled duck egg, called a Balut. It sort of grossed me out, but being a food lover who'll eat anything twice, I'm a little curious. I've read that they're more nutritious than an unfertilized egg.

If you've never tried one, or think they're gross I'm sorry if I insulted or bothered you. It wasn't my intention.

TexanMan82 saidGo ahead, but keep in mind that it has not been reevaulated since the 1970s. Almost 40 years. You think we haven't learned more in that time?

Again you are wrong

unless you ignore the American heart assoc backed re evaluation of 2002 and plethora of peer reviewed studies between then and 2006.

The majority of these studies again reported eggs are not as bad for blood cholesterol as previously assumed but they all state in a "balanced diet" the most extreme case states 3 eggs a day but again in proportion to fat not constituting more than 30% of your macros ie a balanced diet


But also you argue the point of evolution yet invoke selective science in the fact that farming methods are vastly different as is the makeup of the diet and lifestyle of a modern sociecty and the individuals that are consuming the eggs currently.

Nobody is stating sacrfice naturaly nutritional whole food for loaded mass produced saturated fat foods, yuo are the only one who has subsequently mentioned that.

Now if your first post had said go ahead eat 6 eggs a day its far better than 6 hamburgers a day, which wasnt the case, then I doubt there would have been anyone in the land stand up against what you are saying. But you didnt, you posted something based on opinion not fact

obscenewish said

wow...no one even said anything about THE EGG LADY!!!


I heart you

So I have to state that eggs are better than hamburgers? You can't just infer that yourself by me saying to balance out your diet with the macros added from eggs?

If you can't put 2 and 2 together, I can't help that.

TexanMan82 saidSo I have to state that eggs are better than hamburgers? You can't just infer that yourself by me saying to balance out your diet with the macros added from eggs?

If you can't put 2 and 2 together, I can't help that.

There's a fine line between being adamant in your beliefs and just being an ass. You're probably one foot over that line.

OK so now you are showing you have a strong argument there buster by trying to belittle me.

Lets face it you omitted pertinent information that actualy validates the health and safety of what you were stating. Man you should become a politician they are bloody good at twisting the truth

The question was:

In the absence of other protein sources should I eat 6 eggs a day (lets put aside the fact that he as actually got a number of protein sources in his diet anyway)

You responded

[quote][cite]TexanMan82 said[/cite]I've never understood why people are so afraid of eggs. Dietary cholesterol does NOT raise your blood cholesterol levels.

Eggs are good for you. Eat the yolks.
[quote]

But what you actually meant was (inserting the words that you now insinuate we should all know anyway) :

6 eggs a day would be an unhealthy diet as your diet is not well nutritionaly balanced as too many calories would be coming from a fat source.

By all means if you want to start a flame war because you were wrong then feel free to do so I personally would rather see people given all the facts and the correct advice

kidcourageous1348I watch a lot of the Travel Channel and have seen a few episodes where Anthony Bourdain eats a partially fertilized boiled duck egg, called a Balut. It sort of grossed me out, but being a food lover who'll eat anything twice, I'm a little curious. I've read that they're more nutritious than an unfertilized egg.

If you've never tried one, or think they're gross I'm sorry if I insulted or bothered you. It wasn't my intention.

A Balut is actually a duck egg with a partially developed chick embryo inside.

And no, it's not gross. When you open it, there's a sort of fluid that leaks out and you drink it up (tastes like chicken soup). And then you proceed to open it and eat the yolk (the white part has hardened, and while still edible, is seldom eaten). It's nothing spectacular, just tastes like your standard boiled egg yolk (though it's like 2 - 3 times bigger) that's not cooked for too long and neither for too short a time.

The reason why foreigners do not eat it is because of the chick embryo. I too don't eat the chick. Heh. But filipinos will eat the chick as a sign of 'masculinity' (like the worm in the tequila for the mexicans).

I prefer Penoys, which are fertilized (the yolk has divided and enlarged) but has no chick.

Also very young Balut, in which the chick is little more than a blot. Heh. I usually scoop out the chick and throw it away.

Icky I know.

Honest, it's not as bad as it sounds. At least it's not cockroaches like they eat over in Thailand. eeew.

BTW: Please people calm down! This was a noob post LOL!

P.S. Global Citizen, thanks. Tuna still costs a lot here, since they are canned elsewhere, but yeah, whenever there's one around I make a sandwich hehe.

We often incorporate sardines instead of tuna into meals.

It's fine. I really couldn't care less what y'all want to eat. Go ahead, don't eat eggs. Don;t put on muscle like the rest of us are. That's fine.

Keep deluding yourselves with the evil egg. Eggs have been a part of human consumption since we stood up. Your body has evolved to handle them. Worry more about refined carbohydrates.

Along with eggs eat fish oil, flax oil, olive oil. You'll be OK.

And this will be my last reply to this thread.

Hmmm...maybe I'll go make me a 5 egg omelette....*GASP*

my dads bigger than your dad

sorry thought we were out of the playground now!