Clenbuterol

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    Jul 07, 2010 5:46 AM GMT
    This stuff came up in a discussion with some of my buddies that I work out with. And a few of them know people who have taken clenbuterol with success.

    Me on the other hand - totally against it and I feel like natural is the only way to go. I have been tempted a few times, but have resisted!

    So I am just wondering what your opinions are on the stuff!

    And for those who don't know what it is:

    What is Clenbuterol?

    Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

    Dosing and Cycling

    Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

    Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

    Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

    DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
    because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
    benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
    half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

    As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

    Side effects

    NAUSEA
    NERVOUSNESS
    DIZZINESS
    DROWSINESS
    DRY MOUTH
    FACIAL FLUSHING
    HEADACHE
    HEARTBURN
    INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
    INCREASED SWEATING
    INSOMNIA
    LIGHTHEADEDNESS
    MUSCLE CRAMPS
    TREMORS
    VOMITING
    CHEST PAIN

    The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

    Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in minimizing cramps.

    Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first signs of a headache.

    Common Uses

    Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
    user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
    body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
    intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

    Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
    vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
    fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
    bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

    Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

    Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.
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    Jul 07, 2010 10:58 AM GMT
    I've studied alot about steroids and etc and this is one that I would definitely like to try sometime. I think they over exaggerate the side effects and and there are so many more people taking the stuff than we know.

    There are side effects to taking too much vitamin C so I say bring it!!! If I could get my hands on some I'd try it for sure.

    Why don't you try just one cycle of it and say how you react to it? If you don't like it, then leave it alone.

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    Jul 07, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
    It really is quite insane that clenbuterol and ephedrine are illegal. I guess the only logic I can follow is because both work at burning fat so consistently that perhaps there is a real threat of people over-using them and becoming dependent on these drugs.

    I took clenbuterol back in the nineties when it was being sold over-the-counter at the local health food stores as "CB". It was supposed to be a supplement "like" clenbuterol but we eventually found out by using it that it was the real thing.

    I guess if you were trying to get ready for a fitness or bodybuilding show then I could see the advantages, but they do usually test for clen. Other than that, I'm not sure if it makes a big difference if your already following a healthy diet and working out.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    We used to use 'bute on the horses. Good for their cough, but...not for us. We prefer as little chemical tinkering as possible. We prefer the side effects of eating right, exercising for fun and living well.

    You know, these side effects:
    NAUSEA
    NERVOUSNESS
    DIZZINESS
    DROWSINESS
    DRY MOUTH
    FACIAL FLUSHING
    HEADACHE
    HEARTBURN
    INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
    INCREASED SWEATING
    INSOMNIA
    LIGHTHEADEDNESS
    MUSCLE CRAMPS
    TREMORS
    VOMITING
    CHEST PAIN

    ...are many of the same found in depression.
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    Jul 08, 2010 1:22 AM GMT

    I've been given this stuff following allergy-induced breathing difficulties. I have an unusually potent reaction to meds that can mess with blood pressure or the autonomous nervous system generally. But the side effects of clenbuterol (jitteriness, nausea, palpitations, etc) were really, really unpleasant. I hated it.
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    Jul 08, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    redbull said

    Why don't you try just one cycle of it and say how you react to it? If you don't like it, then leave it alone.



    I would rather not try it at all. I see all these people at the gym now, getting results so fast and getting huge and ripped in months. It seems like everyone is juicing now. Everyone wants results NOW, but they don't think about the adverse effects it will have on their body later in life.

    I myself say no thank you!! I am not hating on the individuals that choose to take the stuff - that is their own decision and I am not here to judge!
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    Jul 08, 2010 4:24 AM GMT
    I used it years ago and it shredded the hell out of me. The alleged side effects? Didn't happen.
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    Jul 08, 2010 4:28 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidI used it years ago and it shredded the hell out of me. The alleged side effects? Didn't happen.


    You are a lucky one then! How long did you cycle for?
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    Jul 08, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
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    GuerrillaSodomite saidI used it years ago and it shredded the hell out of me. The alleged side effects? Didn't happen.


    You are a lucky one then! How long did you cycle for?


    I think it was 6 weeks. It was about 15 years ago so I can't remember exactly. I will say that I have been on powerful asthma meds since I was a teenager, so clen is pretty much like pissing in the wind as far as side effects go for me.
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    Jul 08, 2010 4:38 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    acoco15 said
    GuerrillaSodomite saidI used it years ago and it shredded the hell out of me. The alleged side effects? Didn't happen.


    You are a lucky one then! How long did you cycle for?


    I think it was 6 weeks. It was about 15 years ago so I can't remember exactly. I will say that I have been on powerful asthma meds since I was a teenager, so clen is pretty much like pissing in the wind as far as side effects go for me.


    Ah well those asthma meds probably prepared your body for the clen! haha
    Now the question is - would you ever consider taking it again?