Bill to Put "In God We Trust" Into Every Public Building, Public School & Government Institution

  • metta

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    Jul 07, 2010 7:50 AM GMT
    Bill to Put "In God We Trust" Into Every Public Building, Public School & Government Institution

    Randy Forbes of Virginia has authored the "In God We Trust" Resolution (H.Con.Res. 274), which reaffirms "In God We Trust" as our national motto and urges the motto to be publicly displayed "in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions."

    This phrase was adopted in law as our official national motto in 1956, but has appeared on our coinage since 1865. In fact, the last piece of legislation Abraham Lincoln signed before his assassination authorized the use of "In God We Trust" on all coins minted in the United States. http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml

    The words "In God We Trust" appear over the entrance to the Senate Chamber and above the Speaker's rostrum in the House Chamber.

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    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.CON.RES.274:
  • Latenight30

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    Jul 07, 2010 10:39 AM GMT
    I though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.
  • DCEric

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    Jul 07, 2010 11:30 AM GMT
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.


    Does that mean we get to party likes it's 1799?
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    Jul 07, 2010 11:59 AM GMT
    Much ado about nothing.
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    Jul 07, 2010 12:13 PM GMT
    In Flying Spaghetti Monster We Trust


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    Jul 07, 2010 12:19 PM GMT
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.


    How would having a black prez "get us more progressive"?

    Are you saying that any reference to God is evidence that we are moving backwards?

    Can't someone be "progressive" and also believe in God?


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    Jul 07, 2010 12:23 PM GMT
    JackBlair said
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.


    How would having a black prez "get us more progressive"?

    Are you saying that any reference to God is evidence that we are moving backwards?

    Can't someone be "progressive" and also believe in God?




    You can, just keep your religion out of my government. It's unnecessary.
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    Jul 07, 2010 12:42 PM GMT
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.
    Uh... the African American President is NOT named Randy Forbes of Virginia...
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    Jul 07, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
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    Jul 07, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    Good!
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    Jul 07, 2010 1:53 PM GMT
    TheIStrat said
    JackBlair said
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.


    How would having a black prez "get us more progressive"?

    Are you saying that any reference to God is evidence that we are moving backwards?

    Can't someone be "progressive" and also believe in God?




    You can, just keep your religion out of my government. It's unnecessary.


    I have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.
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    Jul 07, 2010 1:56 PM GMT
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?
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    Jul 07, 2010 1:58 PM GMT
    JackBlair said
    TheIStrat said
    JackBlair said
    Latenight30 saidI though having an African American president we would get more progressive.
    I know he isn't going way out of his way for us, but it seems like everyone else is taking steps to drag the whole country back 185 years.


    How would having a black prez "get us more progressive"?

    Are you saying that any reference to God is evidence that we are moving backwards?

    Can't someone be "progressive" and also believe in God?




    You can, just keep your religion out of my government. It's unnecessary.


    I have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.
    Really? Would you be 'offended' if we replaced it with "In ALLAH we trust"?
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:02 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:10 PM GMT
    Wasn't there some kerfuffle awhile back when the Bush gov't wanted the ten commandments on a plaque at the Lincoln monument in DC?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jul 07, 2010 2:24 PM GMT
    And yet nothing in the bill requires churches, temples & mosques to inscribe "In God We Trust" on their buildings. What's wrong with this picture?
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    cold said
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Slavery was also acceptable.


    It's really not that big a deal.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    cold said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Slavery was also acceptable.


    It's really not that big a deal.


    Given that a tax exempt church spewed money into a political campaign to reverse judicially and constitutionally endorsed gays rights. I'm worried that, as an American, you don't think it's a big deal.


    That isn't what happened. Look at the voter breakdown in California. Obama won California, but Prop 8 was passed.

    If the Mormons had the power to get P8 passed, why couldn't they prevent an Obama win in California?

    Answer: The black Obama voters were in favor of P8. They are the ones who pushed it over the top.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:43 PM GMT
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Actually, I do deny this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Here's a fantastic article to read through:

    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/feature/2009/04/14/christian_nation

    I'd also like to point out that those 'Judeo-Christian' values are shared by every single major (and a good 90% of minor) religions out there.

    If someone's religious, fantastic for them... but the constitution and subsequent interpretations of it have shown that this isn't legal what so ever.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
    cold said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Slavery was also acceptable.


    It's really not that big a deal.


    Given that a tax exempt church spewed money into a political campaign to reverse judicially and constitutionally endorsed gays rights. I'm worried that, as an American, you don't think it's a big deal.


    That isn't what happened. Look at the voter breakdown in California. Obama won California, but Prop 8 was passed.

    If the Mormons had the power to get P8 passed, why couldn't they prevent an Obama win in California?

    Answer: The black Obama voters were in favor of P8. They are the ones who pushed it over the top.


    Regardless of the straw that broke the camel's back, doesn't it bother you that a religious group was able to mount an aggressively political campaign?


    No, it's freedom of speech.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:46 PM GMT
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Slavery was also acceptable.


    It's really not that big a deal.


    Given that a tax exempt church spewed money into a political campaign to reverse judicially and constitutionally endorsed gays rights. I'm worried that, as an American, you don't think it's a big deal.


    That isn't what happened. Look at the voter breakdown in California. Obama won California, but Prop 8 was passed.

    If the Mormons had the power to get P8 passed, why couldn't they prevent an Obama win in California?

    Answer: The black Obama voters were in favor of P8. They are the ones who pushed it over the top.



    Don't forget it was a bunch of religions that helped deny it P8. The mormons, scientologists, catholics, baptists, and what not. A majority of blacks are baptist.


    As far as the "In God we Trust"..unfortunate. This country really is regressing in time.



    Btw Zoom, in no way was this country founded on judeo-christian values. Even the founding fathers have recorded down that this country was not founded on it.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    tbakes18 said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    JackBlair said
    cold said
    Zoom12010 said
    TigerTim said
    JackBlair saidI have no religion.

    But the concept doesn't offend me.


    So you're not offended by the waste of public money and congressional time?


    The waste of money has already occurred. All of the atheist the bitched to get them removed in the first place and the law suits the followed. I really dont care what religion you believe in. Thats why we are all here, religious freedom and freedom in general. HOWEVER, there is no denying that this country was founded on judeo-christian values.


    Slavery was also acceptable.


    It's really not that big a deal.


    Given that a tax exempt church spewed money into a political campaign to reverse judicially and constitutionally endorsed gays rights. I'm worried that, as an American, you don't think it's a big deal.


    That isn't what happened. Look at the voter breakdown in California. Obama won California, but Prop 8 was passed.

    If the Mormons had the power to get P8 passed, why couldn't they prevent an Obama win in California?

    Answer: The black Obama voters were in favor of P8. They are the ones who pushed it over the top.



    Don't forget it was a bunch of religions that helped deny it P8. The mormons, scientologists, catholics, baptists, and what not. A majority of blacks are baptist.


    As far as the "In God we Trust"..unfortunate. This country really is regressing in time.



    Btw Zoom, in no way was this country founded on judeo-christian values. Even the founding fathers have recorded down that this country was not founded on it.


    Well, that's awesome, then. Those people have a right to express their views.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:55 PM GMT
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    No, it's freedom of speech.


    I don't believe it's truly 'free' when it's coming from the mouth of a rich, powerful, tax exempt organisation.

    I'll agree to disagree though. icon_biggrin.gif


    Yes, but you will pick and choose organizations when it comes to that argument.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    I'm no expert on the US legislature, but, presumably this type of Resolution is similar to our British legislature's "Early Day Motion" (which, thinking about it, sounds more like a pre-breakfast bowel movement and tends to amount to the same thing).

    In other words, it is a publicity stunt, with squat chance of actually making it onto the statute books.

    Incidentally, I do not trust in god, at all.
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    Jul 07, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    In my home state (New Jersey) the teachers' unions have poured money into campaigns to keep their goodies, and it's part of the reason our state budget is such a mess.

    This mess pales in comparison to some nut-fudge religious people who derail some ridiculous "social justice" legislation.

    Thank God we just elected a sensible governor.