"Stop Iran Now" ad (comparing Obama to Neville Chamerlain)

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    Jul 08, 2010 11:30 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.



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    Jul 08, 2010 11:38 AM GMT
    What are you talking about? Iran is a peaceful nation!

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    Jul 08, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidI'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.

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    Just curious, what did you specifically find to be factually incorrect?
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    Jul 08, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
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    Christian73 saidI'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.

    Thoughts? Angry Screed? Vomit?

    Just curious, what did you specifically find to be factually incorrect?


    How about Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime? The reality is that the administration has been very engaged in dealing with Iran, even the Israeli prime minister has said so.

    Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster. If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .
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    Jul 08, 2010 12:09 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidI'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.

    Thoughts? Angry Screed? Vomit?

    Just curious, what did you specifically find to be factually incorrect?


    How about Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime? The reality is that the administration has been very engaged in dealing with Iran, even the Israeli prime minister has said so.

    Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster. If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .

    Given all you say is true, and given your disagreement with the overall theme of the ad, that still does not point to the specific facts in the ad that are untrue.
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    Jul 08, 2010 12:14 PM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidI'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.

    Thoughts? Angry Screed? Vomit?

    Just curious, what did you specifically find to be factually incorrect?


    How about Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime? The reality is that the administration has been very engaged in dealing with Iran, even the Israeli prime minister has said so.

    Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster. If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .

    Given all you say is true, and given your disagreement with the overall theme of the ad, that still does not point to the specific facts in the ad that are untrue.


    The ad does not contain "facts" per se as the basis for it's criticism of Obama. It relies purely on associating (unjustly) Obama with Chamberlain. It's a hit piece with not basis in reality.
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    Jul 08, 2010 12:25 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 said
    socalfitness said
    Christian73 saidI'm sorry but this is the absolute limit. There is nothing even remotely approaching a "fact" in this commercial but it's all over cable news. It was produced by Citizens United.

    Thoughts? Angry Screed? Vomit?

    Just curious, what did you specifically find to be factually incorrect?


    How about Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime? The reality is that the administration has been very engaged in dealing with Iran, even the Israeli prime minister has said so.

    Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster. If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .

    Given all you say is true, and given your disagreement with the overall theme of the ad, that still does not point to the specific facts in the ad that are untrue.


    The ad does not contain "facts" per se as the basis for it's criticism of Obama. It relies purely on associating (unjustly) Obama with Chamberlain. It's a hit piece with not basis in reality.

    OK, fair enough. I just asked because I see many cases where there is a disagreement with a post and someone instead of just saying they have a different viewpoint, say the post is full of lies with no back-up to that charge.

    In terms of Obama wrt Iran, my opinion is different. Russia considers itself able to supply Iran missiles under the sanctions. If Obama had not unilaterally given up E. European missile defense without getting something in return, Russia might have been pressured to agree to include the missiles as prohibited items. Second, I think the overall impression Obama gives is perceived by adversaries as weak, and that emboldens them. That is just my impression.

    Also, while it would be great if your impression of Iran is correct, seems to me the existing government is firmly in control, and their threats should not be taken as bluster.
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    Jul 09, 2010 7:00 AM GMT
    Christian73> Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster.

    Germany is a Western democracy and one of the most liberal societies ever. The nazi regime is just a reaction to the Treaty of Versailles and seems like mostly bluster....


    Christian73> If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .

    What happened last year following the election in Iran...?


    Christian73> Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime?

    You have a point here in that Obama has changed his tune from what it was during the election ~2 years ago (which was all about "dialog" with Iran, as if that would turn them around). In this sense the ad is dated (and that's a good thing).
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    Jul 09, 2010 10:17 AM GMT
    So let's go all Shock and Awe on their asses
    because we Americans have an Excellent track record on the Bush doctrine of going into countries and deposing their leadership

    Like Rumsfeld and etal said ...... 6 days? 6weeks? 6 months the most and we'll be outta there

    and the people will be throwing us flowers in the streets icon_neutral.gif

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    Caesarea4 saidChristian73> Iran has a very young, pro-Western demographic. While the Mullahs and Amedinajad are problematic, it seems like mostly bluster.

    Germany is a Western democracy and one of the most liberal societies ever. The nazi regime is just a reaction to the Treaty of Versailles and seems like mostly bluster....


    Christian73> If we were to intervene, it should probably be in the form of covert support for existing pro-democracy groups within Iran .

    What happened last year following the election in Iran...?


    Christian73> Obama taking part in the most aggressive sanctions against Iran in a lifetime?

    You have a point here in that Obama has changed his tune from what it was during the election ~2 years ago (which was all about "dialog" with Iran, as if that would turn them around). In this sense the ad is dated (and that's a good thing).


    C4 - To my mind, the real issue here is not whether or not Iran constitutes some degree of threat, perhaps it does. Rather it's - as you say - even whatever grain of truth exists in this ad, it's very dated. And the ad is not meant to educate the public or spark a national dialog. Instead, it's meant to smear Obama by comparing him to a failed leader. It's a cynical ploy to scare uninformed Americans.
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    Jul 10, 2010 6:31 PM GMT
    Christian73It's a cynical ploy to scare uninformed Americans.


    Cosign, fear mongering at its worst.
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    Jul 11, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidWhat are you talking about? Iran is a peaceful nation!

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    The people producing that ad would probably happily agree with the Mullahs on this particular issue. Hell, they would be first in line to applaud such executions.

    The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend.
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    Jul 11, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson saidWhat are you talking about? Iran is a peaceful nation!

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    The people producing that ad would probably happily agree with the Mullahs on this particular issue. Hell, they would be first in line to applaud such executions.

    The enemy of our enemy is not always our friend.

    Agreed. Republicans would gladly put the noose around gay necks in the US if they could.
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    Jul 11, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
    The comparison to Hitler and Nazi Germany, is simply ludicrous.
    Desperate fools ALWAYS compare everything with which they disagree to Hitler and the Nazis.

    The ad orders Obama to "Stop Iran (from getting nuclear weapons), now !"

    What do the Teabaggers/Republicans propose that we do, bomb Iran ?
    Gee, that worked so well in Iraq/Afghanistan. We've been there for almost TEN YEARS and made NO progress. Why not invade a third country ? Roll my eyes.

    Have people forgotten the lies about "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION," already ?


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    Jul 13, 2010 7:24 AM GMT
    Obama takes his advice from my former professor Rashid Khalidi...who knows how to soft sell his pro Palestinian politics to all groups. It's his right but let's face the facts even without the existence of Israel almost the entire Arab world has the least liberal economic and political regimes.
    Obama should pressure Israel to tow American policies since America pays a lot of the bills but that doesn't mean selling Israel down the drain. The Arab world clings to an Islam out of sync with modernity as most of the people cannot reap the benefits of modernity. And the fault is not only the West but their own religious and secular leaders.