Warning to Servicemembers: don't reply to Pentagon's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" survey.

  • EricLA

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    Jul 08, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    Please forward to friends you may have in the Service -- the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network is advising against completing the survey the Pentagon is now undertaking on Don't Ask, Don't Tell:

    Here's the story: http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/07/08/gays.military/

    Here's the video report:
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    Jul 08, 2010 9:23 PM GMT
    When blacks were fighting for their rights, there was violence and bloodshed...but no surveys.
    When women were fighting for their rights, there was violence and bloodshed...but no surveys.
    Now we're are fighting for our rights, with no violence or bloodshed...and surveys. WTF? I say there needs to be some ass kicking and bloodshed before we're taken seriously.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 08, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
    Apparently, you weren't around for ACT-UP.

    Perhaps I should have posed more of a question. Are there servicemembers here or people who know servicemembers who have opinions on this?
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    Jul 08, 2010 9:41 PM GMT
    They mention the privacy issue, but a better reason not to participate is that fundamental rights cannot be predicated on surveys. Inasmuch as participation can be be seen as lending legitimacy to it, participation should better be withheld.
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    Jul 08, 2010 9:43 PM GMT
    EricLA saidApparently, you weren't around for ACT-UP.

    Perhaps I should have posed more of a question. Are there servicemembers here or people who know servicemembers who have opinions on this?
    Nope, never heard of ACT-UP.

    I served back in the late 80's & early 90's. Even back then, people thought it was stupid not to allow gays to serve. I remember quite an uproar when they kicked a lesbian out, when they found out about her in the barracks next to mine.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    paulflexes said
    EricLA saidApparently, you weren't around for ACT-UP.

    Perhaps I should have posed more of a question. Are there servicemembers here or people who know servicemembers who have opinions on this?
    Nope, never heard of ACT-UP.

    I served back in the late 80's & early 90's. Even back then, people thought it was stupid not to allow gays to serve. I remember quite an uproar when they kicked a lesbian out, when they found out about her in the barracks next to mine.


    If you haven't heard of ACT-UP, here's some history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power

    The group Queer Nation used ACT-UPs model to focus more specifically on lgbt visibility:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer_nation
  • ImUrSuprman05

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    Actually in an e-mail today Servicemembers United ENCOURAGED service members to reply to the survey. Heres the e-mail:

    Pentagon Releases Troop Survey on DADT Policy Change
    Servicemembers United Encourages Gay, Lesbian Troop Participation

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    07/08/2010


    WASHINGTON, D.C. - Servicemembers United, the nation's largest organization of gay and lesbian troops and veterans, issued a statement today regarding the Pentagon's release of a survey of 400,000 troops on the impending repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law.

    "As part of its mandate from the Secretary of Defense to 'engage the force' on the likely repeal of the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' law, the Pentagon's Comprehensive Review Working Group yesterday released a survey on the issue to 400,000 non-deployed active duty troops," said Alexander Nicholson, Executive Director of Servicemembers United and a former U.S. Army interrogator who was discharged under "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." "While Servicemembers United remains concerned about unintentional bias in the question wording within this survey, we are satisfied that sufficient measures are in place to protect the confidentiality of any gay and lesbian servicemember who would like to fully and honestly participate in this survey."

    Nicholson added, "Servicemembers United encourages all gay and lesbian active duty troops who received the survey to take this important opportunity to provide their views. We especially encourage gay and lesbian troops to take advantage the opportunity at the end of the survey to participate in a confidential chat about issues related to being gay or lesbian in the U.S. military."

    The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law, passed in 1993 as part of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994, has resulted in the abrupt firing of more than 14,000 men and women because of their sexual orientation, and has led tens of thousands more to voluntarily terminate their careers because of the burden of serving under this outdated law. There are an estimated 66,000 gays, lesbians, and bisexuals currently serving in the U.S. military and an estimated 1 million gay, lesbian, and bisexual veterans of the U.S. armed forces.

    For more information about Servicemembers United, please visit www.servicemembersunited.org. For the latest information on discharge numbers, polling, statistics, studies, and other archival and reference information related to the 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' issue, please visit www.dadtarchive.org.
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    Jul 09, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
    This doesn't matter. Congress is responsible for DADT.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:27 AM GMT
    Interesting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.
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    Jul 09, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    EricLA saidInteresting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.


    Have you raised a lot of awareness?
  • ImUrSuprman05

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    Check them out at servicemembersunited.org
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:36 AM GMT
    Thanks, doing some reading about them. But trying to find other sources about them. Though I'm not directly in the movement, I'm still very plugged in and remain pretty current about things going on. It's just odd that it's not easy finding information on them. They don't even have a Wiki entry. I'm not saying my lack of knowledge about the group or the lack of independent information about them is in and of itself a reason to be suspicious of the group, I just find it curious is all.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:38 AM GMT
    JackJrzy said
    EricLA saidInteresting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.


    Have you raised a lot of awareness?


    How do you mean? I've never been in a leadership position, I've always been support staff.

    How do you define socialite extraordinaire?
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    Jul 09, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    So you haven't raised any awareness?
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    Jul 09, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    EricLA said
    paulflexes said
    EricLA saidApparently, you weren't around for ACT-UP.

    If you haven't heard of ACT-UP, here's some history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power


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  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    JackJrzy saidSo you haven't raised any awareness?


    Awareness of what, exactly? I'm not sure I understand your question. Yes, I'd like to think I have. I posted this to raise awareness. So, yes, I've raised awareness. But, what the amount of awareness I've raised has to do with my post or the thread so far eludes me. If you're looking to try to start an argument with me, you're wasting your time.
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    rightasrain said
    EricLA said
    paulflexes said
    EricLA saidApparently, you weren't around for ACT-UP.

    If you haven't heard of ACT-UP, here's some history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power


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    How much awareness have you raised?
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 2:58 AM GMT
    ImUrSuprman05 saidCheck them out at servicemembersunited.org


    Suprman, Okay, so they were founded only in 2005, so they're a pretty new organization to the scene. I'd still expect more information found about them elsewhere. I'm guessing they don't have a very large staff, which given the current economic climate for non-profits, is probably no reflection on them. I'm sure they're doing the best they can under the circumstances. Thanks for posting. Obviously, those receiving the survey should educate themselves before responding to the survey.

    Thanks again.

    Eric
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    Jul 09, 2010 3:33 AM GMT
    JackJrzy said
    EricLA saidInteresting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.


    Have you raised a lot of awareness?


    Have you done anything worthwhile with your life today?
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    Jul 09, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
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    JackJrzy said
    EricLA saidInteresting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.


    Have you raised a lot of awareness?


    Have you done anything worthwhile with your life today?


    Yes, I didn't tell anyone how they should live.
  • EricLA

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    Jul 09, 2010 4:01 AM GMT
    JackJrzy said
    GwgTrunks said
    JackJrzy said
    EricLA saidInteresting, Suprman. I've been pretty active in the lgbt community. I worked for a national lgbt organization for seven years, and I've never heard of Servicemembers United before.


    Have you raised a lot of awareness?


    Have you done anything worthwhile with your life today?


    Yes, I didn't tell anyone how they should live.


    Can you cite where someone here told anyone how they should live?
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    Jul 09, 2010 4:09 AM GMT
    This whole thing is bullshit. I saw the article about it online on CNN.com and the majority of commenters claimed to be military and against it.

    One thing about this country, people will fight for the right to discriminate against others. We claim moral high ground in alot of areas, but have to be dragged kicking and screaming to the right side of the issue.

    The policy is wrong and discriminatory. It doesn't matter if 99% of the people and troops are against repealing it. The right thing must be done and they need to move on with their petty little hateful lives.
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    Jul 09, 2010 4:31 AM GMT
    I wonder how the British, Dutch and Israeli armies are looking at these developments? They have to be shaking their heads in bewilderment.

    Not only do we have a President that could make this repeal happen, but to have him drag his feet on it. We have a year to let the army "review" the policy, and now this laughable survey.

    What's next?

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    Jul 09, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    How are we looking at it?

    A mixture of entertainment, stupidity and contempt!

    for the land of free your so behind the other nations like te Brit army that your a bunch of hypocrits!

    Had equal rights for12 yrs now!
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    Jul 09, 2010 4:41 AM GMT
    SBG14 saidHow are we looking at it?

    A mixture of entertainment, stupidity and contempt!

    for the land of free your so behind the other nations like te Brit army that your a bunch of hypocrits!
    Had equal rights for12 yrs now!

    you got that right