DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) declared unconstitutional on multiple salient facts in federal summary judgment

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    Jul 09, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
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    Jul 09, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    I find it interesting that conservatives want government out of their lives unless a woman tries to have an abortion, two people of the same sex want to wed, or a religion other than Christianity wants to have equal rights in this country.

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    Jul 09, 2010 4:30 PM GMT
    B787 saidI find it interesting that conservatives want government out of their lives unless a woman tries to have an abortion, two people of the same sex want to wed, or a religion other than Christianity wants to have equal rights in this country.

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    And, of course, they don't want the government money/assistance of social security and medicare out of their lives either.
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    Jul 09, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
    One important aspect of the ruling which I think many might overlook is that the decision finds only part of DOMA to be unconstitutional. The judge's ruling said that DOMA violates the states' rights to govern their own marriages, and that narrow part is unconstitutional. What this means is that (if the ruling is upheld) the federal government will not be able to tell individual states that their recognition of same sex marriages is unrecognizable under federal law. However, the individual states will still be free to pass and uphold their own bans on recognition of same sex marriages. Basically, if same sex marriage is legal in the state, the federal government will have to recognize it. If same sex marriage is not legal under state law, then the federal government will have to recognize that as well.

    Considering that only Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Washington, D.C. allow same sex marriages to begin with, the ruling will not grant same sex marriage rights to citizens of the remaining 45 states.

    Don't get me wrong, this is an incredible victory for equality, but we still have a long way to go before same sex marriage is a protected, fundamental right across the nation in all 50 states.
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    Jul 09, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38155762/ns/us_news-life/



    I think the prop 8 ruling is supposed to happen today too. Really really interested to see what is going to happen when this goes to the supreme court.
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    Jul 09, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    B787 saidI find it interesting that conservatives want government out of their lives unless a woman tries to have an abortion, two people of the same sex want to wed, or a religion other than Christianity wants to have equal rights in this country.

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    OMG, i've been saying this for a while now. i'm about ready to get on my roof and shout it at the top of my lungs.

    of course, it boils down to this: god's plan is great so long as it suits you and your belief. so, it is right to challenge the governmental intervention in banning official prayers in school or at sporting events, why that's just wrong. but it is right, in the name of all that is holy, to have the government set up shop at the very altar in your church to decide who can and who can not participate there.

    to my fundie friends this dichotomy does not exist.