A lone voice of reason in the increasingly radical extremist Republican party tells some truths...

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    Jul 10, 2010 12:39 AM GMT
    http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0709/Glenn-Beck-s-demagoguery-threatening-Republican-party-says-veteran-GOP-lawmaker

    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.
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    Jul 10, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    Sigh... Very true.
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    Jul 10, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    "...freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion..."

    Those nine words, from the Maine Republican Party platform, adopted last month, exemplify the extremists who are taking control of the Republican Party

    If other more rational people in the party don't react and take control back, I fear that that party will become more polarized from the American people, and their rhetoric will, in turn, become polarizing.
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    Jul 10, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    The religious right wing is going to be the disastrous downfall of the GOP and it cannot happen too soon. The moderate wing of the GOP has stayed too silent for too long on this one and now they have lost their political party to the primitive minded, pious morons.
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    Jul 10, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0709/Glenn-Beck-s-demagoguery-threatening-Republican-party-says-veteran-GOP-lawmaker

    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.


    I don't understand what you want. Was the Republican party tea-bagged before now? if so, did you stand with them then? Isn't this what you want, a vanishing opposition? Why are you complaining? Just grab the popcorn and enjoy!!!
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    Jul 10, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    rickrick91 saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0709/Glenn-Beck-s-demagoguery-threatening-Republican-party-says-veteran-GOP-lawmaker

    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.




    RickRick, I think you underestimate the power of the growing number of independent thinking Republicans. You can scream from the rooftops till the cows come home that they are ALL a bunch of bigoted, bible-thumping, gay bashing racists, but it doesn't make it true. I can't listen to Glenn Beck for even a second. He turns my stomach. Doesn't necessarily make me a Democrat.
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    Jul 10, 2010 7:55 PM GMT
    It does suck to see the GOP leaning so far to the right that they are unable to make reasonable compromises. But at least the crazier they sound, the saner Democrats will appear to be.
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    Jul 10, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 saidhttp://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0709/Glenn-Beck-s-demagoguery-threatening-Republican-party-says-veteran-GOP-lawmaker

    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.




    RickRick, I think you underestimate the power of the growing number of independent thinking Republicans. You can scream from the rooftops till the cows come home that they are ALL a bunch of bigoted, bible-thumping, gay bashing racists, but it doesn't make it true. I can't listen to Glenn Beck for even a second. He turns my stomach. Doesn't necessarily make me a Democrat.



    I didn't say anything about "ALL" Republicans in my post, as you dishonestly try to suggest.
    In fact, I highlight the fact that there is at least one sane Republican.
    Unfortunately he's vastly outnumbered by religious right Republicans and nutbaggers.

    And, NO, there is NOT a growing number of "independent thinking" Republicans.
    There is a growing number of nutty teabagging Beckheads who don't think for themselves independently at ALL.
    Instead, they blindly believe every insane extremist bit of ideology and conspiracy theory that they hear from Beck the Clown.

    If you're unhappy about that fact, then, as a Republican, you need to remake your party into something that isn't so loony and extreme.
    PLEASE.
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    rickrick91 said
    And, NO, there is NOT a growing number of "independent thinking" Republicans.
    There is a growing number of nutty teabagging Beckheads who don't think for themselves independently at ALL.
    Instead, they blindly believe every insane extremist bit of ideology and conspiracy theory that they hear from Beck the Clown.


    I very much agree. A large and growing number of Americans are willing to follow the Tea Party nutjobs into oblivion.

    Americans have still not made peace with the Enlightenment. They pretend to be all about the constitution, but in truth the enlightenment values on which the Founders based the Republic are absolute anathema to these people. They want a rollback to a time before the Enlightenment.

    Basically, the only difference between the Glen Beck Republicans and the Taliban is the name of their prophet.
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    Jul 10, 2010 8:45 PM GMT
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    I very much agree. A large and growing number of Americans are willing to follow the Tea Party nutjobs into oblivion.

    Americans have still not made peace with the Enlightenment. They pretend to be all about the constitution, but in truth the enlightenment values on which the Founders based the Republic are absolute anathema to these people. They want a rollback to a time before the Enlightenment.

    Basically, the only difference between the Glen Beck Republicans and the Taliban is the name of their prophet.


    Very well said icon_smile.gif
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    CuriousJockAZ saidI think you underestimate the power of the growing number of independent thinking Republicans. You can scream from the rooftops till the cows come home that they are ALL a bunch of bigoted, bible-thumping, gay bashing racists, but it doesn't make it true. I can't listen to Glenn Beck for even a second. He turns my stomach. Doesn't necessarily make me a Democrat.


    Considering who is running for Senate in Nevada and Kentucky I find that hard to believe. There are several major GOP figures who have lost their primary this year in favor of teabagging candidates.

    When party leadership wants to start talking about actual facts and real policy perhaps it can shake off the crazies. But then, party leadership isn't particularly interested in either of those things. I await a rational opposition party.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:04 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidHow was your Bay-Area brunch with Nancy Pelosi today, RickRick?

    Good answer, which demonstrates what an extremist you are. "Oh, I'm an Independent" is so bogus, when you are in fact a fanatic Teabagger. Do you deny that?

    You are so obvious & transparent that virtually all of us here know you for who you are. Do you shill for Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck, perhaps? Or Bill O'Reilly? Clearly you parrot what they say. Try something original on your own, if you can.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:16 PM GMT
    I'm not sure why the moderate Republicans on RJ can't acknowledge that the extreme platforms of the "tea party" Republicans ARE being adopted. They ARE speaking for you, folks.

    It would seem to me that saying "they are wackos but not all of us are wackos" is all fine and good. But unless you can say, unequivocally, "...I repudiate what's happening with respect to the tea party movement. I acknowledge that their extreme positions are being adopted as the philosophy of my party and I abhor it...", then they are in denial; the party will be stolen from those with rational thought.

    I am not at all concerned about people like southbeach1500. They do their own alienating. But other more moderate and less snide Republicans on RJ...those are the ones I'd think should be stepping up and repudiating this.

    I don't find it funny that a major political party adopted the idiotic and retarded platform that the GOP did in Maine. Even the language was retarded and showed a complete blithering stupidity.

    What they meant to say is "...the poor interpretation of facts that leads to the idea that Global Warming is human-induced..." What they said is "...the myth of Global Warming...." The fact that they can't distinguish between the global warming that even Bush agrees now has been occurring since 1990 or so and the causes for that in a cogent English sentence says much about who's running the show.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.


    While that is true in certain parts of the country, there is hope that it won't be true ultimately everywhere.

    Even in Maine, I have a feeling that moderate Republicans will be distancing themselves without actually saying so. I've already seen Republicans restate their views that health care is a right, not a privilege.

    The plank "...freedom of religion is a right not freedom from religion..." is so far out in whacked out land that it's tough to conceive of any person inserting that language into a platform. The whole thing is grounded in the belief in conspiracy theories. I am surprised Area 51 wasn't mentioned.

    And to the OP, if the best the opposition can come up with is some stereotype based upon geography and the female person the lunatic fringe loves to hate, now that Hilary Clinton is not in the senate, there's not much to worry about.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:34 PM GMT
    ...by the way, I have posted this before, but it looks like I have to post it again.

    http://www.mainegop.com/PlatformMission.aspx

    You can read the Christian Science Monitor's article on it here:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0510/Tea-party-backed-platform-sails-through-Maine-GOP-convention
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
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    fastprof saidI'm not sure why the moderate Republicans on RJ can't acknowledge that the extreme platforms of the "tea party" Republicans ARE being adopted.

    Can you please post a few of the "platforms of 'tea party' Republicans" as opposed to Republican platforms?


    fastprof saidThey ARE speaking for you, folks.

    They speak for themselves (whoever "they" are and whatever is being "spoken").



    fastprof saidIt would seem to me that saying "they are wackos but not all of us are wackos" is all fine and good.

    Outside of the Bay Area, RickRick is viewed as a wacko... why don't you repudiate him?



    fastprof saidEven the language was retarded and showed a complete blithering stupidity.


    You mean like in the exchange above I had with Wilton?

    Me: How was your Bay-Area brunch with Nancy Pelosi today, RickRick?

    Wilton: Good answer, which demonstrates what an extremist you are.

    Me: Good answer? It was a question!


    Perhaps you should teach a course for your liberal allies on here on the difference between a statement and a question, good professor.




    How pitiful, SB, that you have nothing intelligent or truthful to add to these blogs.
    Only pointless picking and bickering that make you look like a mindless ideologically motivated shill for the Republican party.
    Apparently, all you care about is trying to "win" arguments.
    That and of course trying to brainwash RJ members with right-wing BS.

    You can't win a debate on the issues, so you have to try to find some flaw with a post's grammar.
    Truly pathetic.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:57 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    RickRick, I think you underestimate the power of the growing number of independent thinking Republicans.
    Uh......... I am one... and i left that party almost 20 yrs ago..

    a 'growing number'? LMAO... Its a SHRINKING number.. you are looking in you mirror backwards.
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    Jul 10, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said

    You can't win a debate on the issues, so you have to try to find some flaw with a post's grammar.
    Truly pathetic.
    That's standard MO for those without actual intellect and without the ability to retrieve it!
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:01 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said

    A doctor is not compelled (yet) to provide you with medical services.

    Excuse me? The Veterans Administration is definitely COMPELLED to treat me whenever I wish........ and that my friend was MANDATED by your glorious 'republican' party......... and SUPPORTED by your 'republican' party... even as we speak.

    Now, shall you REPOST but correct your 'errors'?
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said

    A doctor is not compelled (yet) to provide you with medical services.

    Excuse me? The Veterans Administration is definitely COMPELLED to treat me whenever I wish........ and that my friend was MANDATED by your glorious 'republican' party......... and SUPPORTED by your 'republican' party... even as we speak.

    Now, shall you REPOST but correct your 'errors'?
    Oh and btw, it is a 'RIGHT' guaranteed by the government of the United States..

    Shall we POST the law guaranteeing that "right"?
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
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    TropicalMark said
    southbeach1500 said

    A doctor is not compelled (yet) to provide you with medical services.

    Excuse me? The Veterans Administration is definitely COMPELLED to treat me whenever I wish........ and that my friend was MANDATED by your glorious 'republican' party......... and SUPPORTED by your 'republican' party... even as we speak.

    Now, shall you REPOST but correct your 'errors'?

    That's a doctor employed by the government to provide services to government employees (or former government employees to which the government is bound by statute to provide services).

    Turn up your brain power a few notches and think about what I wrote more philosophically.
    And what 'bounds' me to provide you life? I do NOT do it 'voluntarily'........... Is not your "human 'right'" to exist a 'right' or a 'privilege'?

    Speak with clarity instead of error.... philosophy should not be required to decipher your 'writings'..........
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:16 PM GMT
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    rickrick91 said
    But, it's too late.
    The Republican party has already been teabagged.


    While that is true in certain parts of the country, there is hope that it won't be true ultimately everywhere.

    Even in Maine, I have a feeling that moderate Republicans will be distancing themselves without actually saying so. I've already seen Republicans restate their views that health care is a right, not a privilege.

    The plank "...freedom of religion is a right not freedom from religion..." is so far out in whacked out land that it's tough to conceive of any person inserting that language into a platform. The whole thing is grounded in the belief in conspiracy theories. I am surprised Area 51 wasn't mentioned.

    And to the OP, if the best the opposition can come up with is some stereotype based upon geography and the female person the lunatic fringe loves to hate, now that Hilary Clinton is not in the senate, there's not much to worry about.


    In Maine, the tea party-backed Paul LePage won the GOP gubernatorial nomination over several moderate Republicans... it was unexpected and practically a landslide victory.

    Sad day.
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    I think the atmosphere in the country makes it harder for moderate Republicans to prevail over the more conservative elements in terms of positions on Government size, spending, and the deficit. From what I have seen, the perception among the Republicans is the Democratic leadership in Congress has been extremely arrogant and pushed a far left agenda, compared to what was advertised in the election as a more moderate agenda.

    I'm not stating the above is necessarily true, so not trying to start a debate, but I am convinced that is the perception of Republicans. (That is my opinion, and to me the arrogance was demonstrated when the Democratic leadership tried to pass health laws prior to the recess so the voice of the people wouldn't matter.)

    Based on Republicans having this perception, the reaction is to energize those members who will most aggressively counter the Democratic agenda. That marginalizes the more moderates.

    In my opinion, moderate Republicans will not agree to the social positions of the religious right, but the real emphasis today is to counter major government intrusion and spending policies they see as damaging to the country.

    Again, I'm offering my opinion on what I think is the perception. Whether the perception is accurate or fair is another matter.

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    Jul 10, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
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    In my opinion, moderate Republicans will not agree to the social positions of the religious right, but the real emphasis today is to counter major government intrusion and spending policies they see as damaging to the country.

    Again, I'm offering my opinion on what I think is the perception. Whether the perception is accurate or fair is another matter.



    But the religious right and conspiracy theory proponents have now controlled the official platform of the Republican Party in three states. Let's say the same thing happened in most of states. You'd have a hard time arguing that most Republicans are not represented by these views. Are not these Republicans who go their party's state conventions and vote on these things? I thought the Maine platform was resoundingly approved by 1500 votes.

    You could argue that what's happened is that the "squeaky wheel" has gotten the most attention initially, but that more measured voices will soon be heard. That's fine. But, so far, it seems the demagogues and squeaky wheels are getting the Republican attention and approval.
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    Jul 10, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
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    socalfitness said

    In my opinion, moderate Republicans will not agree to the social positions of the religious right, but the real emphasis today is to counter major government intrusion and spending policies they see as damaging to the country.

    Again, I'm offering my opinion on what I think is the perception. Whether the perception is accurate or fair is another matter.



    But the religious right and conspiracy theory proponents have now controlled the official platform of the Republican Party in three states. Let's say the same thing happened in most of states. You'd have a hard time arguing that most Republicans are not represented by these views. Are not these Republicans who go their party's state conventions and vote on these things? I thought the Maine platform was resoundingly approved by 1500 votes.

    You could argue that what's happened is that the "squeaky wheel" has gotten the most attention initially, but that more measured voices will soon be heard. That's fine. But, so far, it seems the demagogues and squeaky wheels are getting the Republican attention and approval.

    To be honest, I haven't followed the news on the platform process. It may be that at this stage, the more conservative members have to be catered to to get their support. During elections a more moderate position is normally emphasized.

    I was about to say that I have the sense that most moderate Republicans don't support the very conservative social issues, but have to consider the California vote on gay marriage. California has been a Democratic leaning state, but the overall vote was still against gay marriage. So maybe the general population is not as liberal in these issues as we would like them to be, and that position is reflected in the Republican platforms.

    But your questions are valid, and I don't have any clear answers, other than to say I think there remain many socially moderate elements in the Republican party.