Soy Warming For Older Guys

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    Jun 02, 2007 12:53 AM GMT
    rhythm1438 on here worked out a great protein shake and I thought I could improve on it using soy milk rather than milk and Instant Breakfeast. The shake helped me maintain my weight when I increased my workout schedule. I also started drinking soy milk and using it in my cereal b/c it was in the frig. I added tofu and tofu ice cream and edame beans for more protein in my diet. Two weeks into this I started feeling a bit off sexually, not very confident and I didn't feel pumped after a workout. After a suggestion from another guy on here I removed the soy from my diet A few days after I cut out the soy i'm back to normal. So there might be some cause to be concerned about the estrogen like properties of soy if you have declining testostrone levels.
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    Jun 02, 2007 1:13 AM GMT
    Soy is NOT good:

    http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/

    In small doses, served properly, it's fine, even healthy. We're totally abusing it in this country, however.

    I eat a rather restricted diet, partly out of choice, partly due to food allergies. When I stopped consuming dairy products, I switched to soy milk. It didn't take long before my moods were off and my stomach was totally irritated. Soon after, I started developing eczema patches. As soon as I cut out the soy, everything got better.
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    Jun 02, 2007 5:10 PM GMT
    When I was into this soy kick I kept wondering, as a kid growing up in a rural area, why no one ate the soybeans that were planted everywhere.
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    Jun 02, 2007 6:24 PM GMT
    There's a lot of stuff out there we shouldn't be eating. Soy is particularly worrisome, though, because it's very hard to avoid. Take pretty much any packaged food and you will find some sort of soy ingredient. Soy allergies develop very easily compared to other food allergies too. The more you read up on soy, the more you'll try to avoid it!

    Canola Oil is another one. The "healthy" oil. NOT! Try highly refined industrial lubricant (rapeseed oil...what's a canola?).

    Or Sucralose (Splenda). Nasty stuff.

    Etc.

    It's a pretty scary cycle. Eat foods that induce low-grade chronic conditions, spend lots of $$$ at the doctor, take pharmaceutical drugs to alleviate symptoms (again, more $$$), eat more of the bad food - and repeat.

    Hmmm...
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    Jun 03, 2007 12:03 AM GMT
    "Should we worry about soya in our food?

    Whether you know it or not, you'll probably be eating soya today. It's in 60% of all processed food, from cheese to ice cream, baby formula to biscuits. But should it carry a health warning? Felicity Lawrence investigates.

    For Dr Mike Fitzpatrick, the saga of soya began in Monty Python-style with a dead parrot. His investigations into the ubiquitous bean started in 1991 when Richard James, a multimillionaire American lawyer, turned up at the laboratory in New Zealand where Fitzpatrick was working as a consultant toxicologist. James was sure that soya beans were killing his rare birds.

    "We thought he was mad, but he had a lot of money and wanted us to find out what was going on," Fitzpatrick recalls." ...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1828158,00.html

    I found this article I thought was worth reading.
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    Jun 03, 2007 12:24 AM GMT
    The link in clickable format:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1828158,00.html
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    Jun 03, 2007 1:20 AM GMT
    So you were feeling off sexually, not confident and not pumped and you blame it on a foodstuff that has been consumed safely for thousands of years by hundreds of people?

    Burninman, maybe you should stop eating powdered shakes and processed foods, and start using spell check?
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    Jun 03, 2007 2:01 AM GMT
    I think we need to reinterpret utility of soy products/tofu etc

    Certainly for men who consume a lot of tofu and edmame [like I do] the phytoestrogen will cause havoc with testosterone levels and perhaps influence gain in lean muscle mass.

    For women, or men trying to be on a low-cholesterol diet, tofu/soy products might be beneficial.

    Recently there was an article on menshealth about soyburgers. Obviously there is a concern when it comes to men and bodybuilding.
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    Jun 03, 2007 8:14 PM GMT
    burninman...

    Well, I wouldn't even get far enough along in use of soy products to find out if there was an impact on my libido.

    My digestive system simply cannot digest the stuff properly, and the stuff plays havoc with my lower G.I.

    I note that the TOPIC heading has to do with "older guys". I think that the effect I am describing is independent of age.

    John