Surprise! Tea Party Members Support Striking Down DOMA

  • metta

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    Jul 15, 2010 8:51 AM GMT

    Surprise! Tea Party Members Support Striking Down DOMA

    http://digg.com/d31WvaY

    http://www.edgeonthenet.com/?107983
  • DCEric

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    Jul 15, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
    *cough*bullshit*cough*
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    Jul 15, 2010 11:49 AM GMT
    DCEric said*cough*bullshit*cough*


    What he saidicon_exclaim.gif
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    Jul 15, 2010 11:51 AM GMT
    I think they are going to be against anything that Obama might have the slightest indication of being for.
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    Jul 15, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    In summary: "wow, we're happy this judge upheld state rights! Oh, wait... it's in favor of the gays? Hm... well, sure, as long as we can get state bills passed against them!"
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    Jul 15, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidIn summary: "wow, we're happy this judge upheld state rights! Oh, wait... it's in favor of the gays? Hm... well, sure, as long as we can get state bills passed against them!"


    hahaha.. totally on the money.... They are just not sure who to hate most: the federal government or the gays.
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    Jul 15, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
    Lostboy said They are just not sure who to hate most: the federal government or the gays.

    Exactly... Teabaggers hate gays. In this case they merely make a technical slam against Obama. Teabaggers want gays dead , or in concentration camps, per their own declarations. Does anyone dispute this?
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    Jul 15, 2010 7:57 PM GMT
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    Wilton said
    Lostboy said They are just not sure who to hate most: the federal government or the gays.

    Exactly... Teabaggers hate gays. In this case they merely make a technical slam against Obama. Teabaggers want gays dead , or in concentration camps, per their own declarations. Does anyone dispute this?


    I don't dispute it, but where'd you hear that?


    I don't think he's being literal, but it's a safe assumption given the fact that they want to exercise their Second Amendment rights against Dems and anyone on the right who challenges them.
  • RetroFit

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    Jul 15, 2010 8:25 PM GMT
    We know what it is like to have someone judge us, condemn us, and hate us without getting to know us. Why treat the Tea Party folks or anyone else that way? There is as much 'variety' over there as there is right here.

    A group of Tea Partiers view marriage as a religious sacrament. They do not want the government telling them or anyone else who can and cannot marry the same way they don't want the State giving religious test oaths for office or deciding what makes one a 'true' believer. Any help they give toward ending Federal and State interference is good for us.

    It was not so long ago that Jim Crow laws were used to prevent blacks, asians, mexicans, and others from owning guns. Other laws prevented marriage acrossed abritrary racial divides. I respectfully submit that we should help the Tea Party and anyone else who is advancing our freedom, we don't have to agree 100% but we can use the help on this.



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    Jul 15, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    PiercedAndFit said...I respectfully submit that we should help the Tea Party and anyone else who is advancing our freedom, we don't have to agree 100% but we can use the help on this.

    Are you fucking NUTS???

    One of these right-wing plants here? Like we don't have enough of them already?

    OUR freedom??? Whose freedom is that? Certainly not gays.

    Your 7th post here, and you endorse the anti-gay Teabaggers? Who invited you here, southbeach? icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 15, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    Surprise! Tea Party Members Support Striking Down DOMA

    http://digg.com/d31WvaY

    http://www.edgeonthenet.com/?107983



    The article is TOTAL BS.

    It cites anecdotal instance of a few teabaggers who support the decision.
    It does NOT prove in any credible way that the teabaggers support gay rights.
    They do NOT.

    In fact, the "support" of the few baggers cited in the article is based on their support of STATE'S RIGHTS - NOT gay rights.
    They support the right of Massachusetts to allow gay marriage AND they support the rights of other states to BAN gay marriage.

    That does NOT equal support for gays.
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    Jul 15, 2010 8:50 PM GMT
    PiercedAndFit saidA group of Tea Partiers view marriage as a religious sacrament. They do not want the government telling them or anyone else who can and cannot marry the same way they don't want the State giving religious test oaths for office or deciding what makes one a 'true' believer. Any help they give toward ending Federal and State interference is good for us

    How about those of us who realize marriage is a civil institution? In US law, that it what is is. What churches decide is their business, but underlying all US marriages is civil law. Every church wedding is actually a civil ceremony, and every civil ceremony before a judge is as much a marriage as in any church.

    Are you saying that Teabaggers believe churches can enact marriages without any state involvement? That marriage is purely a "religious sacrament" in which no one else can participate?

    What about atheists? How about Jews? Is US marriage just for Christians? In your model, apparently so.
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    Jul 15, 2010 8:53 PM GMT
    This is one Gifted "HORSE" that I would look squarely in the mouth!
  • Webster666

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    Jul 16, 2010 12:11 AM GMT
    If they're actually in favor of striking down the DOMA, it's only because they want to replace it with something far more sinister, like, maybe, WATER BOARDING, for instance.
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    Jul 16, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    Of course they're going after gay men. We are one of the few targets of people left to attack (unfortunately the majority of the attacks come from other gay men, great 'community pride' we've got going on when we insult and ridicule each other every chance we get- - that's another story though.

    The tea party people are the Angry White Men and Angry White Women remixed for 2010. They're pissed off that their world is changing and nothing can be done to stop it. They act as if this is some sort of impending doom, and our current president is the source of that (in truth, anyone elected after 8 years of Bush was a sitting duck from to word go).

    I've watched the tea party people and they are just amazing in how they celebrate their ignorance. The military are their heroes (and logically, in their eyes, the military are their only heroes. 7000 Americans died on Iwo Jima to prevent gays from getting married - that's the 'freedom' bullshit that was hard won. This whole 'freedom isn't free' crap is so ironic because while the tea party folks want less government in THEIR lives, they sure have a lot to say about people they know little to nothing about (gay men) and underneath that is a very serious, violent form of hatred - they hate us not for what we do in bed, but for what we (appear to) HAVE - it drives them crazy that gay men. most of whom never have to worry about children or relationships, get to have lots of money, lots of free time, no responsibilities to children or a spouse, and get to go on the most exciting vacations. Meanwhile, these people in east Texas or some nowhere community is home to the tea partiers who, more than likely, are victims of their own poor choices. There is no need to have six kids today. These are people who are afraid of their future because they have kids to support, most of these people aren't college educated so when they lose their jobs, they are in a panic because they don't know what to do. These people are perfect for all this born again, black or white evangelism.

    The tea party folks have launched their 2010 campaign to restore traditional American values by electing insurrectionist candidates who’ve pledged to dismantle the U.S. government, protect profiteering corporations, abandon the environment, and give every citizen-patriot the freedom to be denied health insurance coverage for treatable illnesses. If it isn't bad enough that gay men have no support or solidarity from the rest of the gay community, we now have a new group that we have to worry about.

    Anyone who thinks that gay men choose to be gay should live in our shoes for one day and see what it's like to have no support from within the gay community and a mounting lunatic anti-gay fringe that hates us as much as gays hate each other.
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    Jul 16, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
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    PiercedAndFit said...I respectfully submit that we should help the Tea Party and anyone else who is advancing our freedom, we don't have to agree 100% but we can use the help on this.

    Are you fucking NUTS???

    One of these right-wing plants here? Like we don't have enough of them already?

    OUR freedom??? Whose freedom is that? Certainly not gays.

    Your 7th post here, and you endorse the anti-gay Teabaggers? Who invited you here, southbeach? icon_razz.gif



    And you aren't? icon_lol.gif

    as always Thanks for the laughs
  • darkeyedresol...

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    Jul 16, 2010 1:48 AM GMT
    Or unlike some groups, they are actually principled in how they feel about the federal government and its limitations.

    Tea Party has never been about social issues and it has always remained on fiscal policies. They probably only really care because its a ruling that emphasizes the 10th amendment.
  • beefytx

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    Jul 16, 2010 7:10 AM GMT
    darkeyedresolve saidOr unlike some groups, they are actually principled in how they feel about the federal government and its limitations.

    Tea Party has never been about social issues and it has always remained on fiscal policies. They probably only really care because its a ruling that emphasizes the 10th amendment.


    Silly boy. The Tenth Amendment? Why would you even bring that up? Haven't your gay elders and betters here on RJ taught you that what the federal government does is the best for everybody? And always will be?
  • beefytx

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    Jul 16, 2010 7:21 AM GMT
    DuluthMN saidOf course they're going after gay men. We are one of the few targets of people left to attack (unfortunately the majority of the attacks come from other gay men, great 'community pride' we've got going on when we insult and ridicule each other every chance we get- - that's another story though.

    The tea party people are the Angry White Men and Angry White Women remixed for 2010. They're pissed off that their world is changing and nothing can be done to stop it. They act as if this is some sort of impending doom, and our current president is the source of that (in truth, anyone elected after 8 years of Bush was a sitting duck from to word go).

    I've watched the tea party people and they are just amazing in how they celebrate their ignorance. The military are their heroes (and logically, in their eyes, the military are their only heroes. 7000 Americans died on Iwo Jima to prevent gays from getting married - that's the 'freedom' bullshit that was hard won. This whole 'freedom isn't free' crap is so ironic because while the tea party folks want less government in THEIR lives, they sure have a lot to say about people they know little to nothing about (gay men) and underneath that is a very serious, violent form of hatred - they hate us not for what we do in bed, but for what we (appear to) HAVE - it drives them crazy that gay men. most of whom never have to worry about children or relationships, get to have lots of money, lots of free time, no responsibilities to children or a spouse, and get to go on the most exciting vacations. Meanwhile, these people in east Texas or some nowhere community is home to the tea partiers who, more than likely, are victims of their own poor choices. There is no need to have six kids today. These are people who are afraid of their future because they have kids to support, most of these people aren't college educated so when they lose their jobs, they are in a panic because they don't know what to do. These people are perfect for all this born again, black or white evangelism.

    The tea party folks have launched their 2010 campaign to restore traditional American values by electing insurrectionist candidates who’ve pledged to dismantle the U.S. government, abandon the environment, and give every citizen-patriot the freedom to be denied health insurance coverage for treatable illnesses. If it isn't bad enough that gay men have no support or solidarity from the rest of the gay community, we now have a new group that we have to worry about.

    Anyone who thinks that gay men choose to be gay should live in our shoes for one day and see what it's like to have no support from within the gay community and a mounting lunatic anti-gay fringe that hates us as much as gays hate each other.


    I don't agree with every detail that you've brought up here, I think you're right about the sentiment of the tea party types. They aren't fans of gay people, though it seems that they understand that states' rights means that some states will do things they don't like. But they are populists: they are different from traditional Republicans. I don't agree with you that they want to "protect profiteering corporations." They are generally less well-off white people who are not pro-big corporation. Most big corporations give gay people domestic partner benefits (and in that sense more corporations than governments are pro-gay) and I'm sure many of the tea partiers don't like that.

    It is important for gay people to understand this movement because like it or not, they are a player in the coming few elections.