What would you do?

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    Jul 18, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
    Two gay dudes were asked to leave the mall here for kissing and apparently warping the fragile minds of kids and their bigoted yuppie parents

    If mall security asked you to leave for kissing your boyfriend, or if you saw them asking two little gay teens to leave. Would you defend them or what?
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    Jul 18, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
    I don't know the laws in Ireland.
    In the US, I would kick their ass hard for asking me to leave.
    I would also create a rather large disturbance if I saw them asking someone else to leave.
  • BardBear

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    Jul 18, 2010 3:11 PM GMT
    1. First off, I'd ask to speak to the complainers. If they feel so strongly, but cannot treat me as an equal and speak to me directly---screw that noise. I doubt they'd talk to me directly. If they did, I'd point out whatever straights doing the same thing nearby were doing.

    2. I'd look at the security individual and say, "are you the police? Have I committed a crime?" Since I haven't, I'd point out, "when I do, please arrest me." And go about my business, probably staying longer then normal. I'd make sure I'd call my friends have them come over and act just like I did.

    If it was a few gay teens? Depends on what they are doing! 'Cause, well, you know how teens are.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 18, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    I'd ask a lot of questions and make it clear their policies were bigoted and outdated.
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    I would want to know the full circumstances, before jumping onto the outrage bus.

    If it were simply an affectionate peck, I doubt anyone would even have noticed, never mind complained. If they were openly eating each others faces off, then it may be mall policy to discourage such behaviour, regardless of whether it is a gay couple or a straight one.
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    It's really funny as the Mall is very upscale with a large PR dept and the hangout for most of the pretty young gay things in the city.

    Last week the PR department was flooding Facebook, twitter and their website with congratulations for the Hetero couple who proposed and I'm assuming kissed in the main square


    Here's there PR release



    In response to your email, a situation arose on Friday 16th July when one of our security officers observed a couple being intimate on the mall in Dundrum Town Centre.



    The security officer approached the couple and asked them if they could oblige by not being so intimate in a public area particularly as there were quite a number of children in the vicinity and Dundrum Town Centre is a family environment.



    When they were approached, it was then that the security officer noticed that the couple happened to be of the same sex.



    In the past Dundrum Town Centre has on occasions received complaints from parents where they believed couples were being intimate in view of their children.



    In this particular instance the couple were asked to refrain from being intimate in the public area but were advised that they would be welcome to avail of the open public spaces but were respectfully requested to be mindful of any children in the vicinity.



    Following discussion with the security officer the couple approached the Customer Service Desk, once the Duty Manager explained to the couple the centre’s concerns the couple acknowledged Dundrum Town Centre’s position.



    Dundrum Town Centre welcomes all visitors to its facility, nationality, creed or any other factor do not influence Dundrum Town Centre whatsoever and we continue to welcome all visitors to the Centre.E
  • calibro

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    Jul 18, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    I would go on the Ellen show
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:40 PM GMT
    Well according to that statement it sounds like they were asked to just not kiss in public, not leave the mall all together.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 18, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    Christian16 saidWell according to that statement it sounds like they were asked to just not kiss in public, not leave the mall all together.


    I'd still ask a lot of questions and give them my views....
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan said
    Christian16 saidWell according to that statement it sounds like they were asked to just not kiss in public, not leave the mall all together.


    I'd still ask a lot of questions and give them my views....


    Well the statement also said there have been complaints about other couples too, they just don't say if they were gay or straight.

    I have no idea if the couple was just giving each other pecks or eating face, iif it was the latter, I could understand why. But for a peck? Yeah id be giving my thoughts and ask questions too
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    i wish i could say i was surprised. but this begs the question is it really 'traumatising' for kids to see adults kissing? It certainly didn't do me any harm when I saw adults kiss when I was a kid.
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    Jul 18, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    I think it has more to do with showing a little decorum in public. Seeing people snogging in public would not particularly bother me either, but I think I smell some deliberate courting of controversy in this instance.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 18, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    Christian16 saidWell according to that statement it sounds like they were asked to just not kiss in public, not leave the mall all together.


    MsclDrew, likes a bit of drama. Did it even mention kissing? Maybe one had his hand down the other guys pants. Just saying icon_confused.gif
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 18, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
    jackaroomeister saidi wish i could say i was surprised. but this begs the question is it really 'traumatising' for kids to see adults kissing? It certainly didn't do me any harm when I saw adults kiss when I was a kid.


    Once again. Does it mention kissing?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 18, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    It would depend on the situation and how intense the whole things really was. A kiss is one thing, but a heavy makeout session in the middle of a mall is quite another. It would be inappropriate for gays just as it would be for straights. IMO
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    Jul 18, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    Irregardless

    I'd love to tell a women in a top too small that a belly is overhanging, the guy with a pack of brats that are climbing over seats in Sbux or the parents that dressed they're 8 year old in a porn princess T-shirt that they are being socially inconsiderate/inappropriate. People are rude and inconsiderate everywhere in the 21st century, but to approach security and ask they be told to stop.

    Do you not think it's a sign of cowardliness to complain to security if you think someone is being socially inappropriate but doing nothing wrong.

    I'd have dropped a couple of F-bombs and told given the 'see you next tuesday's' kids something really inappropriate to warp their fragile little minds
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    Jul 18, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    Dudes?

    Mall?

    Speak English Boy!
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    Jul 18, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidIrregardless


    You did not do that.... You did not say irregardless.... please.

    the word is regardless
    there is another word, irrespective, which is similar.

    *Irregardless is not allowed, regardless of who you are and irrespective of your nationality.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 18, 2010 4:54 PM GMT
    Brit_Bloke saidDudes?

    Mall?

    Speak English Boy!


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  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 18, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    With all the huffing and puffing, we still do not know what those two boys were doing. The statement does not say kissing.
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    Jul 18, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
    Many security guards in low paying positions have an overinflated sense of authority and control over the people around them since they have such a crappy job. And many will abuse that control to satisfy their own egos. They can easily exagerate or make up stuff to make you appear dangerous or a troublemaker.

    Plus a mall in private property.

    I would have been cool. I would not have argued ( that's what they want you to do). Get the whole thing documented. Politely insist to file a proper complaint with their office. I would have sought out someone to witness my interaction with the guard. I would get things in writing.

    If I saw someone else being harrassed like that, I would have approached them and offered my assistance in the ways I described above.

    With proper documantation in hand, I would then go to the police (if you think the police would be helpful....sometimes they aren't) or contact a newspaper, a gay organization, an influential friend etc. and proceed to maker life miserable for mall management.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Jul 18, 2010 5:17 PM GMT
    KissingPro said Many security guards in low paying positions have an overinflated sense of authority and control over the people around them since they have such a crappy job. And many will abuse that control to satisfy their own egos. They can easily exagerate or make up stuff to make you appear dangerous or a troublemaker.

    Plus a mall in private property.

    I would have been cool. I would not have argued ( that's what they want you to do). Get the whole thing documented. Politely insist to file a proper complaint with their office. I would have sought out someone to witness my interaction with the guard. I would get things in writing.

    If I saw someone else being harrassed like that, I would have approached them and offered my assistance in the ways I described above.

    With proper documantation in hand, I would then go to the police (if you think the police would be helpful....sometimes they aren't) or contact a newspaper, a gay organization, an influential friend etc. and proceed to maker life miserable for mall management.


    But you don't know what they were doing. The OP'er says kissing, but the statement does not say that (or did I read it properly?). He also says they were asked to leave. Statement does not say that either. I have a feeling it was much more than kissing, and if so, gay or straight, security were right to put a stop to it. If I am wrong, then show me the evidence.
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    Jul 18, 2010 6:59 PM GMT
    True.

    But I am assuming that two people were simply kissing (pecks on the cheek), or holding hands and being affectionate.

    If they were being vulgar and disrespectful that would be a different story.
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    Jul 18, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
    Seriously...who kicks gays out of a mall?!? We're like 95% of their business!
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    Jul 18, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    I would go all Mel Gibson on their ass.