Moving Abroad

  • gjoseph

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    Jul 20, 2010 12:20 AM GMT
    Hello I'm currently am living in the states but am considering moving to Spain, Germany, Nederland, or England in the future. Next summer I plan on studying abroad to visit Germany and the Netherlands. I have already visited London 3x since I have family there. My only concern if I move abroad London is so expensive and is cold and rainy. Thanks for any tips =)

    Which is better
    -Overall Happiness
    -Cost of Living
    -Health
    -Weather
    -LGBTQA issues
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    Jul 20, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    Gjoseph,

    All are important factors that must be meticulously accounted for and dealt with. Once that is done, figure out if the values of that country match your own. Otherwise, you may be somewhat of a pariah.
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    Jul 20, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    Here are some answers, however I haven't lived in Germany in 10 years and only went to Amsterdam on weekends to see my boyfriend for 6 years before coming to the US.

    Germany:
    -Overall Happiness - we love to complain even though we do ok
    -Cost of Living - food is less expensive than US, clothes way more
    -Health - way better than the US
    -Weather - mediocre, German weather is never guaranteed
    -LGBTQA issues - pretty good, big cities are very liberal.

    Netherlands
    -Overall Happiness - I think they have fun
    -Cost of Living - more expensive than Germany
    -Health - not sure but probably way better than the US
    -Weather - very seasonal
    -LGBTQA issues - one of the most liberal countries on the planet.
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    Jul 20, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    London is ok. Actually all you need to do is become an EU citizen. I am a citizen of the U.S., a eurpean nation (which means I am an EU citizen), and a middle eastern nation. As for the particular nation, research and determine which allows you the maximum in flexibility and movement into and out of areas where you conduct business. As an example, say you are a citizen of Qatar. You will not be restricted as are Americans in your movement within Saudi Arabia, under most circumstances.
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    Jul 20, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    I would love to visit Europe but could not live there probably. Kudos for rmaking the move!
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    Jul 20, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    I think a good deal is getting a student Visa to the place you ultimately want to end up and then trying to land a job in that country.

    I'm not sure all the specific requirements for the EU but I'm sure for a legit citizenship it will be just as lengthy as an US citizenship. So patience and a lot of nerves will serve you well.

    I think happiness and cost of living are big ones on deciding where to live for me but whatever motivates you to get out of bed in the morning should be it for you.

    Contact your family in the UK and see if they provide any assistance also. Even if it's to set-up a sham marriage. lol, just kidding but do your research and I good luck!

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    Jul 20, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    I am a citizen of the U.S., a eurpean nation (which means I am an EU citizen), and a middle eastern nation. .[/quote]

    I didn't think that the US was part of the European Union... The EU is similar to the US except it is a collection of countries that share common currency and similar immigration/travel arrangements, in addition to financial recprocal agreements.

    and the US is definately NOT a european nation (Just like NZ in not a European nation) - well the last time I checked my world map anyway! LOL icon_biggrin.gif
  • jgymnast733

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    Jul 20, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Happiness should be the most important, [it is to me]...
    Being expensive is to be expected, just hope you'll have someone to assist with sharing expenses... Other than that,,Just enjoy life......Bon Chance..
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    Jul 20, 2010 2:16 AM GMT


    Nothing is more important than overall happiness. You can have a little or a lot either way the choice will remain yours. Happiness is a gift you can always give yourself and is as free as the air you breathe.

    Enjoy your tripicon_cool.gif
  • Hunter9

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    Jul 20, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
    Consider Juarez, Mexico. The weather can't be beat.
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    Hunter9 saidConsider Juarez, Mexico. The weather can't be beat.


    Hunter9- is this for real? I mean the weather might be great but it's not tops for safety.

    To the OP, strike out Spain at this time, employment prospects there aren't too hot. I would choose Germany, but that's just my preference.
  • Bunjamon

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    Jul 20, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    Do you speak German, Spanish, or Dutch? If there's one thing Europeans don't like, it's people immigrating and then relying on English or any other language to do their everyday business. Don't take it for granted that most people in Germany and the Netherlands speak impeccable English, either. If you don't have a base in either language under your belt you may find the transition very rocky.
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    Jul 20, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    Spain is cheap, sunny, and has legalised gay marriage, pda with gay people is pretty much accepted there too.. plus I love the mediterranean passionate culture icon_smile.gif and dont get me started on music and food!!!