PALIN "TWEETS" IN HER OPINION ABOUT A PROPOSED MOSQUE BUILDING IN NYC....

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 20, 2010 12:25 PM GMT
    The Palin woman let it be known a proposed Mosque being built a few blocks from "ground zero" in NYC is inappropriate....

    From ABC News:

    Sarah Palin's inflammatory tweets calling on New Yorkers to "refudiate" a planned mosque near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks has made her both a satirical target and a thorn in the side of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

    Residents protest proposal to build mosque near site of 9/11 terror attacks. The former Alaska governor took to Twitter Sunday to oppose the city's plans for the mosque, already a source of heated debate in New York.

    After Palin tweeted "peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is unnecessary provocation; it stabs hearts," Bloomberg shot back.

    "Sarah Palin has a right to her opinions, but I could not disagree more. "Everything the United States stands for and New York stands for is tolerance and openness."

    Daisy Khan, a spokesperson for the community center that will include the mosque, said Palin's stance "raises the very question of what is at the heart of all this furor and that is ignorance."

    "I'm saying that she needs to educate herself about who the Muslim community is," she said.

    As New Yorkers reacted to Palin's tweets, others across the country pounced on her not-quite dictionary-endorsed language.

    Though Palin deleted the original tweet containing "refudiate" (instead of repudiate) and later made a joke of it, saying Shakespeare often made up words, her use of the non-word has made her the butt of jokes across the Internet. She used the same word on a July 12 Fox News segment.

    The satirical Web site Gawker is even advertising T-shirts with the slogan, "Sarah Palin Refudiates This T-Shirt."

    In another Twitter message, she wrote, "Peaceful New Yorkers, pls refute the Ground Zero mosque plan if you believe catastrophic pain caused @ Twin Towers site is too raw, too real."

    The proposed 13-story, $100 million project has touched off an enormous controversy in New York City.

    Relatives of 9/11 victims say it would amount to a monument for terrorists. But the project's sponsors maintain the center would be all about bringing New Yorkers together, not tearing the community apart.

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    Jul 20, 2010 2:18 PM GMT
    God bless Sarah Palin.

    She needs it more than most.
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
    I'm thinking Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing that killed 168 people. He did it over the Waco incident and Ruby Ridge. You know the extremist christian kooky stuff.

    " What does the statue across Harvey Street represent?
    This statue representing Jesus weeping and placing his back to violence. It was built by the Catholic Church in place of the Rectory lost during the bombing. "

    .....so you see there are extremists in any group.


    I think some are seeing the presence of the mosque as a staking out of won territory, so to speak, so they're offended but that's because they can't see that extremists don't represent the whole group. The trouble, world wide and in most faiths is that those faiths should be actively purging their extremists.


    -Doug
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:09 PM GMT
    The event, which allegedly drew crowds of up to 10,000 people, wasn't covered by any major media news outlet and garners the most publicity from Palin's tweets. To completely discount the feelings of those protesters who were familes of the victims of 911 as being un-pc, and to diminish them as a radical fringe group, is wrong. Here are some photos from the protest.

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    Jul 20, 2010 3:14 PM GMT
    The only risk I see of placing a mosque there is that xtian extremists of the Tim McViegh camp may try to blow it up. That would be ghastly in the extreme to an already traumatized city.

    So I don't really think it a great idea, but not for the Palin crowd reasons.
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    meninlove said I think some are seeing the presence of the mosque as a staking out of won territory, so to speak, so they're offended but that's because they can't see that extremists don't represent the whole group.
    -Doug

    Well, why IS the mosque going there? What is the motive? Is their thinking that it is indeed won territory, a statement of their victory in bringing down the Twin Towers?

    (I'm very emotional on this topic. I saw them being built, I was in them many times, I knew people who died in them. They were MY Twin Towers, and I still don't think they've been adequately avenged. You don't attack the US and then expect us to "move on." That's simply not how I'm built,)

    And while extremists may not represent all of Islam, I don't see any movement by Muslims to rein them in, or to condemn them. Guilt by inactivity is how I would judge much of the Islamic world, as they stand by and do nothing to stop the actions of terrorists acting in their name. They have given their tacit agreement to the terror we see today, and I see no reason why they should escape our condemnation, if not actual punishment, for it.
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    Wilton I so love so many of your posts. Thanks.

    The christians have the same problem as the muslims as you described.

    This, "And while extremists may not represent all of Islam, I don't see any movement by Muslims to rein them in, or to condemn them. Guilt by inactivity is how I would judge much of the Islamic world, as they stand by and do nothing to stop the actions of terrorists acting in their name."

    ...is also this,
    "And while extremists may not represent all of christianity, I don't see any movement by christians to rein them in, or to condemn them. Guilt by inactivity is how I would judge much of the christian world, as they stand by and do nothing to stop the actions of terrorists acting in their name."


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    -Doug

    Both the Okla. bombing and the World Trade center horror were done with religion motivating the perpetrators.
  • rnch

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    Jul 20, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    yes, why build it right there??

    in the deep south, we have a word that is used to describe someone/their actions that are in poor taste, inapproiate, and vulgar. that word is:


    tacky



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    Jul 20, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    meninlove said The only risk I see of placing a mosque there is that xtian extremists of the Tim McViegh camp may try to blow it up. That would be ghastly in the extreme to an already traumatized city.

    So I don't really think it a great idea, but not for the Palin crowd reasons.


    lol, quoting myself for Wilton icon_wink.gif because I think the mosque is in poor taste and risky.

    -Doug


    ...now if the mosque had huge stone letters across the front that said, "We're sorry about those that usurped our faith to harm you"......
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    ...and then there's this...from [url]http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm
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    There were muslims in the building and some who had entered the building post explosions to try assist and were killed in the collapses.

    Like this one....
    " Imagine being the family of Salman Hamdani. The 23-year-old New York City police cadet was a part-time ambulance driver, incoming medical student, and devout Muslim. When he disappeared on September 11, law enforcement officials came to his family, seeking him for questioning in relation to the terrorist attacks. They allegedly believed he was somehow involved. His whereabouts were undetermined for over six months, until his remains were finally identified. He was found near the North Tower, with his EMT medical bag beside him, presumably doing everything he could to help those in need. His family could finally rest, knowing that he died the hero they always knew him to be."


    "Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

    Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.

    Samad Afridi
    Ashraf Ahmad
    Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
    Umar Ahmad
    Azam Ahsan
    Ahmed Ali
    Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
    Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
    Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
    Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
    Jamal Legesse Desantis
    Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
    SaleemUllah Farooqi
    Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
    Osman Gani
    Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
    Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
    Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
    Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
    Nabid Hossain
    Shahzad Hussain
    Talat Hussain
    Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
    Yasmeen Jamal
    Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
    Arslan Khan Khakwani
    Asim Khan
    Ataullah Khan
    Ayub Khan
    Qasim Ali Khan
    Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
    Yasmeen Khan
    Zahida Khan
    Badruddin Lakhani
    Omar Malick
    Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
    Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
    Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
    Raza Mujtaba
    Omar Namoos
    Mujeb Qazi
    Tarranum Rahim
    Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
    Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
    Naveed Rehman
    Yusuf Saad
    Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
    Shoman Samad
    Asad Samir
    Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
    Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
    Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
    Jamil Swaati
    Sanober Syed
    Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
    Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
    W. Wahid
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
    meninlove said Both the Okla. bombing and the World Trade center horror were done with religion motivating the perpetrators.

    I cannot agree more regarding religion being a motivator. And you know with what high regard I hold you guys, having had the great pleasure of speaking with you on the phone.

    As for Christians compared to Muslims, I would argue that the more fundamentalist Christian extremists are indeed criticized by more moderate Christian sects. Maybe just competing for the flock, I dunno, but it happens. Versus the Muslims, who almost never have a bad word to say regarding terrorists. I do note this distinction.

    Plus the Timothy McVeys are not really religious terrorists, but more right-wing political. BTW, I knew some of the people in the Murraugh Federal Building, since that was the HQ of the Oklahoma Army Recruiting Battalion, with whom I sometimes worked, and I was in that building myself a few times. I knew the Sergeant who was a hero, saving infants from the day-care center, into which he plummeted from several floors above.

    Another personal reason why that bombing strikes a special note with me. And why I hate our own home-grown right-wing terrorists, as much as the Islamic kind. But I would still dispute the underlying religious motivations of the 2. I would say one was reinforcing, while the other is directive.
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    Jul 20, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
    Well so much for civil discourse, the clenched anus has arrived. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 20, 2010 4:27 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidThe event, which allegedly drew crowds of up to 10,000 people, wasn't covered by any major media news outlet and garners the most publicity from Palin's tweets. To completely discount the feelings of those protesters who were familes of the victims of 911 as being un-pc, and to diminish them as a radical fringe group, is wrong. Here are some photos from the protest.

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    You know...for an event with 10k (allegedly) people being held in NYC, this crowd is heavily made up of one particular color and age group.

    This could easily be mistaken for a teabag rally


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    Jul 20, 2010 4:34 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidAnd you generalize just to make your point. And show your "racism" as well.

    Muslims do condemn such extreme acts. Your liberal media sources just don't report on it.

    Then you report them for us, so we can be informed. Does FOX News have reports of the anti-terrorist protests in Islamic countries? Please post them for us.
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    Jul 20, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    meninlove said Well so much for civil discourse, the clenched anus has arrived. icon_rolleyes.gif


    That explains the smell.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    eagermuscle saidThe event, which allegedly drew crowds of up to 10,000 people, wasn't covered by any major media news outlet and garners the most publicity from Palin's tweets. To completely discount the feelings of those protesters who were familes of the victims of 911 as being un-pc, and to diminish them as a radical fringe group, is wrong. Here are some photos from the protest.

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    You know...for an event with 10k (allegedly) people being held in NYC, this crowd is heavily made up of one particular color and age group.

    This could easily be mistaken for a teabag rally

    It's easy to generalize the protest as an all white, American or Republican issue from the pictures I chose to post - my bad. Fact is, people of color not only represented but were photographed with one of the organizers. Protestors included immigrants from Iran, Egypt, Africa and India as well as Russia and Europe. Several human rights organizations also participated but I concede that humanitarians or groups labeled as such are not infallible.

    As someone who witnessed the towers fall firsthand my on-topic point is simply that it's interesting that until Palin weighed in this protest garnered so little media attention.

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  • Laurence

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    Jul 20, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
    People get het up about anything these days.

    Let them build the mosque where they like is what I say, as long as we can then open a Gay bar next door and have the Pride march pass by outside (just in case there are a few 'confused' waverers inside who need converting...cute ones that is, not those ugly bearded munters the Taliban attracts).

    We should celebrate diversity, by excluding and ghetto-izing people, we create an environment that allows extremists like the 911 guys to exist.

    Lozx
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    eagermuscle said
    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    eagermuscle saidThe event, which allegedly drew crowds of up to 10,000 people, wasn't covered by any major media news outlet and garners the most publicity from Palin's tweets. To completely discount the feelings of those protesters who were familes of the victims of 911 as being un-pc, and to diminish them as a radical fringe group, is wrong. Here are some photos from the protest.

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    You know...for an event with 10k (allegedly) people being held in NYC, this crowd is heavily made up of one particular color and age group.

    This could easily be mistaken for a teabag rally

    It's easy to generalize the protest as an all white, American or Republican issue from the pictures I chose to post - my bad. Fact is, people of color not only represented but were photographed with one of the organizers. Protestors included immigrants from Iran, Egypt, Africa and India as well as Russia and Europe. Several human rights organizations also participated but I concede that humanitarians or groups labeled as such are not infallible.

    As someone who witnessed the towers fall firsthand my on-topic point is simply that it's interesting that until Palin weighed in this protest garnered so little media attention.

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    Oh My!! You found 4 people of color! 2 of which may be the only people under 35!
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    Jul 20, 2010 7:04 PM GMT
    eagermuscle said<

    As someone who witnessed the towers fall firsthand my on-topic point is simply that it's interesting that until Palin weighed in this protest garnered so little media attention.


    This had attention before that. To be honest I'm sick of all sides, stop involving the rest of us in your holy wars.
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    Oh My!! You found 4 people of color! 2 of which may be the only people under 35!

    There are people under 35 aplenty. In case you missed it, look at the framed pictures. Stop prosecuting the victims.

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    DoomsDayAlpaca said

    This had attention before that. To be honest I'm sick of all sides, stop involving the rest of us in your holy wars.

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    Jul 20, 2010 10:59 PM GMT
    I agree with Palin, as well as the many New Yorkers who do not want that Mosque there. Its not only inappropriate, but there actually aren't many people living in the area they want to build it in. It would make much more sense for them to put it in Brooklyn, or Queens.

    Aside from that, the man behind this whole thing has said some pretty questionable things. This thing has nothing to do with race, and those who try to make it so, are silly. Had it been a bunch of Jehovah's Wittiness's who destroyed both buildings, killing thousands. I wouldn't want to see them building a congregation anywhere near the area.
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    Jul 20, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
    eagermuscle said
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    eagermuscle saidThe event, which allegedly drew crowds of up to 10,000 people, wasn't covered by any major media news outlet and garners the most publicity from Palin's tweets. To completely discount the feelings of those protesters who were familes of the victims of 911 as being un-pc, and to diminish them as a radical fringe group, is wrong. Here are some photos from the protest.

    witjk.jpg

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    You know...for an event with 10k (allegedly) people being held in NYC, this crowd is heavily made up of one particular color and age group.

    This could easily be mistaken for a teabag rally

    It's easy to generalize the protest as an all white, American or Republican issue from the pictures I chose to post - my bad. Fact is, people of color not only represented but were photographed with one of the organizers. Protestors included immigrants from Iran, Egypt, Africa and India as well as Russia and Europe. Several human rights organizations also participated but I concede that humanitarians or groups labeled as such are not infallible.

    As someone who witnessed the towers fall firsthand my on-topic point is simply that it's interesting that until Palin weighed in this protest garnered so little media attention.

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    Thank you!

    Funny how he only focuses on the "race thing".. Such silliness.
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    DoomsDayAlpaca said
    eagermuscle said<

    As someone who witnessed the towers fall firsthand my on-topic point is simply that it's interesting that until Palin weighed in this protest garnered so little media attention.


    This had attention before that. To be honest I'm sick of all sides, stop involving the rest of us in your holy wars.


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    Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM GMT
    Wilton said
    southbeach1500 saidAnd you generalize just to make your point. And show your "racism" as well.

    Muslims do condemn such extreme acts. Your liberal media sources just don't report on it.

    Then you report them for us, so we can be informed. Does FOX News have reports of the anti-terrorist protests in Islamic countries? Please post them for us.


    Hmm Actually man, there's been quite a few Muslims on FOX, speaking out against the terrorist acts. There was also a pretty interesting interview with a guy who's father was one of the founders of Hamas, and was all for it as well, then he changed and even left for America and is still afraid. The recent news on him is he may be sent back to Palestine and he's extremely afraid of course.

    There was also an interesting documentary done by two men (who don't work for FOX), though they had to go to FOX to show their documentary because none of the other news organizations wanted to show it. It was all about the whole killing of women and all.

    But as always, protesters in Islamic countries must be careful, and can only really do a lot of protesting when they leave, and even then they are still afraid.
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    Jul 20, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    Looking at this discussion rationally, I disagree with the arguments raised by the objecting party. I feel very sorry for the families and friends that have lost someone or many during the attack; however nothing that does not include bringing them back will bring peace. I mean the two big failures of wars against Afghanistan and Iraq that have resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths are the biggest example of failed vengeance. Objecting to this centre will not bring their relatives back; neither will it make their feelings go away.

    However, as a Muslim I think the centre would do good to not build the centre. Not because I am against it, I think it is a great idea. Nonetheless1 publicly announcing a withdrawal would be such good PR for Islam and we really need any form of positive PR now.