Reps until failure of leave some juice in the tank?

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    Jul 20, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    I read in Mens Health recently that you should not lift to exhaustion when strength training--that there should always be energy left to do one or two more reps. This provides maximal growth they say.

    What is your take on this? I had always thought you should lift until you can't do another rep or increase weight until this happens in a certain number of reps (usually 8-10).
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    Jul 20, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
    I never go to failure, partially because I workout without a spotter.
    Yes, I've noticed significant strength gains...more than I'd expected. In the past couple months, I've hit new strength records that I never thought possible. Partially due to my diet, but it may have had something to do with not going to failure...hard to pinpoint it precisely.
  • tazzari

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    Jul 20, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    It works, but it's not something you should do in every workout. We used to limit go-to-failure workouts to one a week (hill-running intervals) and the very occasional Over-Distance (117 km roller ski... ).

    Remember, the body has to be able to recover. Full rest/recovery is as important as the actual training. You can't just take money out of the bank!
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    Jul 27, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    if you just want to 'look' buff and get mass then yes i would agree, but if you actually want to get stronger and increase muscle density then lift to exhaustion


    1-6 is power/strength
    6-12 is mass and strength
    12-20 is lean body mass/ muscle endurance
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    Jul 27, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    "I read in Mens Health recently ..."

    That's where you went wrong.

    Men's Health is the last place you should go for any fitness advice.

    Men's Health is one of the worst magazines out there. Its primary draw isn't the articles, but the photos. Every month, Men's Health serves as eye candy for millions of closet cases across the U.S.

    They should drop "Health" from the masthead and insert "Fap."
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    Jul 27, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    reppaT said"I read in Mens Health recently ..."

    That's where you went wrong.

    Men's Health is the last place you should go for any fitness advice.

    Men's Health is one of the worst magazines out there. Its primary draw isn't the articles, but the photos. Every month, Men's Health serves as eye candy for millions of closet cases across the U.S.

    They should drop "Health" from the masthead and insert "Fap."
    In the adult industry, I've heard muscle mags referred to as "gay porn for the South."
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    Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM GMT
    reppaT said"I read in Mens Health recently ..."

    That's where you went wrong.

    Men's Health is the last place you should go for any fitness advice.

    Men's Health is one of the worst magazines out there. Its primary draw isn't the articles, but the photos. Every month, Men's Health serves as eye candy for millions of closet cases across the U.S.

    They should drop "Health" from the masthead and insert "Fap."




    This.
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    Jul 27, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    It's a once a week deal for me. No more. But then I tend to approach it most of the time anyways.
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    Jul 27, 2010 7:15 PM GMT
    I don't do reps till failure. If I find myself struggling to push out the last few reps, then it compromises my form. I pick a weight and rep range where I slightly struggle on the very last one or two reps. Emphasis on slightly.
  • mybud

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    Jul 27, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    til failure man.....trust me...
  • benarw

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    Jul 27, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
    I think going to failure once and a while is ok, but most people will get better benefits if you don't always train to failure. When you hit your target number of reps you should ideally have enough juice to pump out one or two more reps (if you can do more then that, you need to up the weight). The body needs time to recover and if you're always listing to failure your body can't recover fully.Just my 2-cents.
  • tokugawa

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    Jul 28, 2010 6:33 PM GMT
    When I was working out at the Philadelphia, PA Samson street World Gym in the 1990's, I recognized Mark Mills, whose web page I had visited. After responding affirmatively to my question, "do you have a web page?" we became friends. He was a competition level bodybuilder who also had a Masters degree in physiology.

    His take was that when you go to failure, you basically kill some of your muscle cells. Your body responds to this by allocating more resources to rebuilding the lost cells, and building additional muscle cells. As several posters have already noted, your body needs adequate rest time for this. Mark felt that this maximized muscle growth, with the added benefit that you only needed to do one set for each exercise, as long as you went to failure.

    Since I starting using "go to failure," I have had more progess then my previous 20 years of weightlifting.

    Mark is currently a CSCS web based fitness and strength trainer.

    Sadly, the Samsom street World Gym, which was open 24 hours a day, went out of business and has been replaced with a gay bath house.
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:42 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    reppaT said"I read in Mens Health recently ..."

    That's where you went wrong.

    Men's Health is the last place you should go for any fitness advice.

    Men's Health is one of the worst magazines out there. Its primary draw isn't the articles, but the photos. Every month, Men's Health serves as eye candy for millions of closet cases across the U.S.

    They should drop "Health" from the masthead and insert "Fap."
    In the adult industry, I've heard muscle mags referred to as "gay porn for the South."


    That's funny.. especially since they've recently added a back cover with a "sexy" woman on it. icon_razz.gif

    I used to go by Men's Health... but I saw no results... icon_evil.gif
    Pick another source!
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    Jul 28, 2010 9:27 PM GMT
    A1EX said
    paulflexes said
    reppaT said"I read in Mens Health recently ..."

    That's where you went wrong.

    Men's Health is the last place you should go for any fitness advice.

    Men's Health is one of the worst magazines out there. Its primary draw isn't the articles, but the photos. Every month, Men's Health serves as eye candy for millions of closet cases across the U.S.

    They should drop "Health" from the masthead and insert "Fap."
    In the adult industry, I've heard muscle mags referred to as "gay porn for the South."


    That's funny.. especially since they've recently added a back cover with a "sexy" woman on it. icon_razz.gif

    I used to go by Men's Health... but I saw no results... icon_evil.gif
    Pick another source!
    The woman on the back is so guys can read it in public and people won't know that jizz stain in their pants is actually from the guys.
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    Jul 29, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    If going to failure meant you wouldn't recover, then you'd die. Seriously.

    If you push yourself hard and go to failure then you need to make sure you give yourself time to recover - time, sleep, protein.