Conservative coalition German government getting low approval ratings

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    Jul 22, 2010 7:20 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/22/world/europe/22germany.html?hp

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    Jul 22, 2010 2:09 PM GMT
    Of course by "conservative", Europeans mean somewhat to the left of the Democratic party.
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    Jul 22, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    Oddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist. Being someone with family and extensive ties in Germaqny, I can assure you the conservative coalition in Germany is in far better standing the brainless haploid pair known as Obama/Biden.

    Thank God for Germany.
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    Jul 22, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    No, they are suffering from low approval ratings. But perhaps that's because Germans are generally more apathetic of politics than Americans. Believe it or not, Americans have more influence on their elected officials than Germans do. There's a historic reason for that. Americans started their country looking for accountability from and direct influence on their government (which the Brits did not give you.) Your constitution protects the People from an obtrusive government (at least on paper.) In Germany, the constitution (or basic law) protects the State from the People. Seriously. I guess Germans have shown one too many times that a plebiscite is not a good thing here (mind you it's been two generations since the last time...) Since politicians don't do much for the average citizen (except raise their taxes or promise to bail out other countries, banks, etc. on Johannes Q. Publik's back) Germans really don't give a shit about who is in power as it's essentially more of the same crap, no matter what parties form the majority coalition. Right now, they want the Social Democrat/Green Party ticket back. They had it for a few years prior to the current Conservative/Liberal ticket. It gave them higher automobile and gasoline taxes, a absolutely sucking unemployment program which was supposed to help both employers and employees (but which employers are now abusing - google Hartz IV), and so they voted them out and the Black/Yellow colation back in. It's a constant cycle and nothing will ever change. I would not read much into the NY Times article.
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    Jul 22, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
    Andreas73 saidNo, they are suffering from low approval ratings. But perhaps that's because Germans are generally more apathetic of politics than Americans. Believe it or not, Americans have more influence on their elected officials than Germans do. There's a historic reason for that. Americans started their country looking for accountability from and direct influence on their government (which the Brits did not give you.) Your constitution protects the People from an obtrusive government (at least on paper.) In Germany, the constitution (or basic law) protects the State from the People. Seriously. I guess Germans have shown one too many times that a plebiscite is not a good thing here (mind you it's been two generations since the last time...) Since politicians don't do much for the average citizen (except raise their taxes or promise to bail out other countries, banks, etc. on Johannes Q. Publik's back) Germans really don't give a shit about who is in power as it's essentially more of the same crap, no matter what parties form the majority coalition. Right now, they want the Social Democrat/Green Party ticket back. They had it for a few years prior to the current Conservative/Liberal ticket. It gave them higher automobile and gasoline taxes, a absolutely sucking unemployment program which was supposed to help both employers and employees (but which employers are now abusing - google Hartz IV), and so they voted them out and the Black/Yellow colation back in. It's a constant cycle and nothing will ever change. I would not read much into the NY Times article.


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    Jul 22, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
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    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist.

    Actually, this is supposedly a "news" item written by a journalist, not an opinion piece written by a columnist.

    But that's the New York Times for you.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Goodness yes... damn the NY Times with their journalistic pieces featuring genuine facts, quotes actually NOT taken out of context, honest statistics and all those silly things that "real" news sources like Fox and Glenn Beck despise! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jul 22, 2010 6:46 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist.

    Actually, this is supposedly a "news" item written by a journalist, not an opinion piece written by a columnist.

    But that's the New York Times for you.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    You think they shouldn't publish the results of polls?
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    Jul 22, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist.

    Actually, this is supposedly a "news" item written by a journalist, not an opinion piece written by a columnist.

    But that's the New York Times for you.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    You think they shouldn't publish the results of polls?

    As long as it's part of the narrative previously OK'd on JournoList.
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    Jul 22, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidOf course by "conservative", Europeans mean somewhat to the left of the Democratic party.


    Haha, good point.

    I guess Angela Merkel is really going to need a massage from George Bush.
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    Jul 22, 2010 8:14 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidOf course by "conservative", Europeans mean somewhat to the left of the Democratic party.


    Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that the Democrats are as radical-left as you can get. Even Stalin was a conservative Republican by comparison. (Actually, in some ways . . . )
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    Jul 22, 2010 8:23 PM GMT
    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist. Being someone with family and extensive ties in Germaqny, I can assure you the conservative coalition in Germany is in far better standing the brainless haploid pair known as Obama/Biden.

    Thank God for Germany.


    I'm calling your bluff. Proof, please. Considering you're anti-Obama, it would make sense that you would have "extensive ties in Germany" (complete bullshit, I think) and that the reality - or your reality - falls in line with your political views.

    Hack.
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    Jul 22, 2010 8:26 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist.

    Actually, this is supposedly a "news" item written by a journalist, not an opinion piece written by a columnist.

    But that's the New York Times for you.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Goodness yes... damn the NY Times with their journalistic pieces featuring genuine facts, quotes actually NOT taken out of context, honest statistics and all those silly things that "real" news sources like Fox and Glenn Beck despise! icon_rolleyes.gif


    I laughed all day yesterday and throughout this morning as I watched Fox try to back peddle on this one. Ha! Absolutely hysterical. It's so fantastic that it's almost like reading fiction, but you can't make this shit up.
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    Jul 22, 2010 8:33 PM GMT
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    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist. Being someone with family and extensive ties in Germaqny, I can assure you the conservative coalition in Germany is in far better standing the brainless haploid pair known as Obama/Biden.

    Thank God for Germany.


    I'm calling your bluff. Proof, please. Considering you're anti-Obama, it would make sense that you would have "extensive ties in Germany" (complete bullshit, I think) and that the reality - or your reality - falls in line with your political views.

    Hack.


    I am sure he has ties in Germany

    Bow%2Btie.jpg
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    Jul 22, 2010 8:53 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    twomack saidOddly I think this is more of a "figment of the imagination" of New York times columnist.

    Actually, this is supposedly a "news" item written by a journalist, not an opinion piece written by a columnist.

    But that's the New York Times for you.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    As opposed to the National Enquirer, right?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 22, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    It appears that the US isn't the only industrialized country with serious problems with its government. Germany seems to have the same corrupt politicians that promise the voters the world but when elected, it is back to the same old behind the scenes bullshit. I am sure that the UK, France, Italy, Sweden, Spain and all the rest of Europe have the same serious problems with corrupt politicians.
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    Jul 23, 2010 12:53 AM GMT
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    TigerTim saidOf course by "conservative", Europeans mean somewhat to the left of the Democratic party.


    Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that the Democrats are as radical-left as you can get. Even Stalin was a conservative Republican by comparison. (Actually, in some ways . . . )


    Are you joking? Or just totally ignorant of Stalinism/European politics/everything?
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    Jul 23, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
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    theatrengym said
    TigerTim saidOf course by "conservative", Europeans mean somewhat to the left of the Democratic party.


    Are you sure about that? I was under the impression that the Democrats are as radical-left as you can get. Even Stalin was a conservative Republican by comparison. (Actually, in some ways . . . )


    Are you joking? Or just totally ignorant of Stalinism/European politics/everything?


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