So I'm doing the Warrior Diet

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    Jul 23, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    I read up on it, and I think it makes evolutionary sense. It goes against all conventional thought though.

    What the warrior diet basically is, according to purveyor Ori Hofmekler, a former Israeli special forces soldier, is undereating followed by overeating. It's skipping breakfast but taking appropriate steps for workout recovery while eating odds and ends like fruits and vegetables over the day to keep the body from starving and then finishing with a GIANT meal at the end of the night. The body then releases all the growth hormones during sleep that retain musculature, ensuring no loss of lean muscle mass, the theory says.

    The evolutionary part comes in because for thousands of years our respective ancestors subsisted on little throughout the day other than the occasional meat but mostly fruits and vegetables or some grains, eventually hunting and killing an animal to be prepared at the end of the day, usually as a family-unit social feast.

    To me this makes absolute sense. One of Hofmekler's peeves is the modern idea of never going without hunger, but it's a slippery slope and statistics for obesity and diabetes supports it.

    It's controversial for sure. But Stanley McChrystal practices it, and so too did ancient warriors. It requires discipline but it pays off mentally with increased acuity and alertness.

    I started yesterday. The hunger pangs subside pretty quickly, and I feel awake and not so groggy. I ate fruit and some veggies, including a salad with dairy protein after my workout, along with my protein shake (with water as I've stopped drinking milk weeks ago...)

    It's the muscle retainment I'm skeptical about, but then again, this diet goes against everything I've been taught.

    Anyone else hear of this far-out lifestyle?
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:23 AM GMT
    This is extremely intersting, I'm curious how it pays off for you. I am a huge fan of the paleo/crossfit diet of basically cutting sugar and alcohol and a lot of carbs (breads, potatos, ect). I lost 20 pounds of beer weight when I first started and now I'm working to gain and maintain muscle mass.
    But the basics are true for all: stick to the perimeter of the grocery store and keep away from most processed foods: our bodies just don't know how to brake down that shit. If you can grow it, pick it, or kill it you can eat it...
    But in simple terms, cut the sugary drinks out and watch your waist shrink...

    Chris
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    ...Ya I eat when I'm hungry, I can't not eat all day. Dealing with me around 2:00pm would be HELL, oh and you BETTER not have bad news or be asking me to do something.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:51 AM GMT
    Personally, I would not do this diet. To be short, Ill say that I think there is FAR too much he has left unaccounted and has placed too much emphasis on a loose theory of 'this is how it was done in the past'. Diseases/disorders relating to nutrition surely existed then as well, furthermore people ate that way because that was what was within their means. Diet/Nutrition doesn't only support our physical well being and growth but also sustains mental and emotional well being... So if you are doing this diet I hope that one big meal of yours is DAMN good and fackin nutritious because otherwise you'll be at risk for a number of problems depending on your body's unique metabolism.

    To be fair I know nothing about this diet other than what you've mentioned, and you haven't really explained what he says about 'appropriate steps for workout recovery'... still seems like a bad idea to me for more reasons than I care to mention.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:56 AM GMT
    I'll keep this posted, but my vegan friend hates this idea and loses no chance to make me know her position... but what the fuck do vegans know immiright?

    I eat still quite a few things in the day, today I had a protein shake, banana, fruit smoothie, peach, and apple... then I finished with two homemade burgers with guacamole, onion, mushroom, lettuce, tomato, double-smoked cheddar cheese and mustard.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    costaki saidPersonally, I would not do this diet. To be short, Ill say that I think there is FAR too much he has left unaccounted and has placed too much emphasis on a loose theory of 'this is how it was done in the past'. Diseases/disorders relating to nutrition surely existed then as well, furthermore people ate that way because that was what was within their means. Diet/Nutrition doesn't only support our physical well being and growth but also sustains mental and emotional well being... So if you are doing this diet I hope that one big meal of yours is DAMN good and fackin nutritious because otherwise you'll be at risk for a number of problems depending on your body's unique metabolism.

    To be fair I know nothing about this diet other than what you've mentioned, and you haven't really explained what he says about 'appropriate steps for workout recovery'... still seems like a bad idea to me for more reasons than I care to mention.


    It's worth the solo research, but for workout recovery he suggests low-glycemic carbs and quick sources, like eggs, of protein.

    That one big meal... fucking great. Low-glycemic carbs, veggies (albeit not much), healthy fats from the avocado, and MEAT, spiced to perfection ala moi. I'm also thinking of a shake to add as well.. to be sure of the most protein utilization during sleep.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:43 PM GMT
    I'm currently doing a modified version of the Paleo diet.
    I would try the Warrior diet, but I'd rather not be run through with swords and daggers while I'm trying to eat.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    What'll actually happen in your blood sugar will start to spike first thing in the morning to compensate for the lack of calories, your blood sugar will then drop between noon and about 3:00 (that infamous "2:30 feeling") so you'll engorge on whatever's available, spike your blood sugar again, then as it drops again towards the end of your day, you'll engorge yet again.

    Assuming you keep to the fruits and veggies during the day--which, let's be honest, a "real" warrior would only have rare access to--you'd still end up dealing with a blood sugar roller-coaster. Because your body requires energy regardless of the time of day, you ultimately store most of what you eat (when you do eat) as fat. This effect is better known as the feast-famine response and is one of the reasons why so many people are overweight: they eat nothing first thing in the morning, grab a snickers over their short lunch break because they're hungry as hell, shoot a couple cups of coffee over mid-afternoon to counter feeling sluggish, then when they finally get home, they engorge on literally anything.

    This diet's terrible and anyone with half a background in nutrition will tell you the same thing.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    Hell to the nah Bobby, it took me years to condition myself to make breakfast the most important meal of my day to the point where I wake up and I will CUT A BITCH if I don't have massive quantities of food within minutes of getting up from bed. My body is pretty much where I want it to be, so yay.
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    Jul 24, 2010 8:30 PM GMT
    sounds absolutely terrible, and the worst sort of pseudo science (god I sound like Devilish or whatever his name is)

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    Jul 24, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    keep a picture journal for each day or week your on. I would love to see some real world results. Good or bad then only way to find out is to do it.

    Please post results!
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    Jul 24, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    keep a picture journal for each day or week your on. I would love to see some real world results. Good or bad then only way to find out is to do it.

    Please post results!
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    Jul 25, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    The dangers are clear: engorging is a serious threat.

    Of course my will power is shit so one chocolate cookie means four and I'm back to baking a cake in the middle of the day... then pizza and beer.

    My reason is pretty clear though, I'm going to Montreal tomorrow and there's NO way I'm not eating anything I remotely want there.
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    Jul 26, 2010 4:11 AM GMT
    Silly. Based on the ridiculous idea that ancient "warriors" were muscle-bound he-men in children's history books rather than the near-death, disease-riddled, 30-year-life-expectancy waifs they were.
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    Jul 26, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidSilly. Based on the ridiculous idea that ancient "warriors" were muscle-bound he-men in children's history books rather than the near-death, disease-riddled, 30-year-life-expectancy waifs they were.
    That's why I find the Paleo diet to make much more sense.
    At least there's some serious research to back it up; and it encourages eating often.
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    Jul 26, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    UFJocknerd saidSilly. Based on the ridiculous idea that ancient "warriors" were muscle-bound he-men in children's history books rather than the near-death, disease-riddled, 30-year-life-expectancy waifs they were.


    Really? They really were near-death and disease riddled?
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    Jul 26, 2010 11:17 AM GMT
    paulflexes saidThat's why I find the Paleo diet to make much more sense.
    At least there's some serious research to back it up; and it encourages eating often.


    The same thing is true about the Paleo diet.
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    Jul 26, 2010 1:00 PM GMT
    This is interesting. It is well established that growth hormone peaks during sleep, especially during the first half of the sleep cycle, so it sort of makes sense that one would fuel the muscle machine at the end of the day. But there is also a load of research showing that those who eat a hardy breakfast have much lower body fat percentage than those who skip breakfast. And hundreds of articles have appeared in the last few decades claiming that a hardy breakfast speeds metabolism. On the other hand, I know so many people who insist that they function better and have more energy if they skip breakfast.

    For me, a big hardy, complex carb and good-fat breakfast is essential to even the most basic functionality. But I wish you well in this experiment. Hope it goes well for you. Though it seems to go against prevailing opinion, I can think of several examples where prevailing opinion was wrong.
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    Jul 27, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
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    paulflexes saidThat's why I find the Paleo diet to make much more sense.
    At least there's some serious research to back it up; and it encourages eating often.


    The same thing is true about the Paleo diet.
    The Paleo diet doesn't encourage skipping meals. That's what seems to separate it from the Warrior diet, and why I find it much healthier overall.

    In fact, the Paleo diet is the easiest diet in the world to follow. It's so easy ...

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