Bodybuilding and Alkohol?

  • maximumrisk

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    Jul 23, 2010 5:22 AM GMT
    Hey guys,

    I know its bad to do drugs at all, but since beer and other high rated alkohol drinks are legal a lot of people including Bodybuilders drink it.

    So now I read through some articles and they basically go from "a beer after the workout is good" to "drinking it drastically decreases your performance, in excess even for days"

    So whats up? I have no problem with hanging out with my friends and drink a bottle and that only on weekends when it fits.I dont even wake up completly destroyed the next morning. Does this disturb the training? for days?
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    Jul 23, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    I've heard both sides of the coin and haven't made up my mind.
    But I still have plum wine and Saki with my sashimi after a workout, and the occasional Long Island Iced Tea or fifteen when hanging out.
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    Jul 23, 2010 12:32 PM GMT
    Depends on how long after your workout you have it. Alcohol dehydrates you, so take that into account.

    There was a study done in New Zealand looking at the effects of alcohol on recovery from anaerobic exercise. I can't for the life of me remember the paper but I'll find it when I'm back at work on Monday and post the link for it. From memory they said it did decrease performance a few days after.
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    Jul 23, 2010 12:37 PM GMT
    maximumrisk saidHey guys,

    I know its bad to do drugs at all, but since beer and other high rated alkohol drinks are legal a lot of people including Bodybuilders drink it.

    So now I read through some articles and they basically go from "a beer after the workout is good" to "drinking it drastically decreases your performance, in excess even for days"

    So whats up? I have no problem with hanging out with my friends and drink a bottle and that only on weekends when it fits.I dont even wake up completly destroyed the next morning. Does this disturb the training? for days?


    It's "alcohol", Pumpkin. Don't you just hate those six letter words?

    Alcohol, like most substances, has varying effects at various dose levels. You'll want to study those levels for yourself. In general, 1 ounce of alcohol can have some good effects, but, too much alcohol is very bad. In particular, red wines can have some good effects. Going on a bender will effect your performance, as any Real Jock knows, for a day, or two, after.

    Not all folks respond to substances in the same way. I can't drink milk. It makes me very ill. I lack the enzyme to digest milk protein. I can eat yogurt, or cheese, though.

    Your mileage may vary.

    The prudent saying is "all things in moderation."
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    Jul 23, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
    chuckystud said

    It's "alcohol", Pumpkin. Don't you just hate those six letter words?



    You mean seven. Alcohol has seven letters. icon_smile.gif

    Anywho, what Chucky said. A beer a little while after working out isn't going to kill your progress... but downing a six pack will.
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    Jul 23, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    SEVEN letter words...
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    Jul 23, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    Is Math 101 class dismissed yet? My eyes are going cross-eyed trying to count seven letters with only five fingers.
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    Jul 23, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidSEVEN letter words...


    LOL
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    Jul 23, 2010 5:34 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks said
    chuckystud said

    It's "alcohol", Pumpkin. Don't you just hate those six letter words?



    You mean seven. Alcohol has seven letters. icon_smile.gif

    Anywho, what Chucky said. A beer a little while after working out isn't going to kill your progress... but downing a six pack will.


    That's like totally the way the cool kids spell it, Gramps icon_twisted.gif

    Like OMG you've gotta GOI already
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    Jul 23, 2010 5:56 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks said
    chuckystud said

    It's "alcohol", Pumpkin. Don't you just hate those six letter words?



    You mean seven. Alcohol has seven letters. icon_smile.gif


    FTW. pwnd
  • Sparkycat

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    Jul 23, 2010 6:52 PM GMT
    I think I need a drink.
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    Jul 23, 2010 7:56 PM GMT
    i was just reading up on this and found some interesting points.Though alcohol adds calories, it doesn't create that beer belly. What it does do is cause your body to use fuel differently.

    Rather than getting stored as fat, the main fate of alcohol is conversion into a substance called acetate. In fact, blood levels of acetate after drinking the vodka were 2.5 times higher than normal. And it appears this sharp rise in acetate puts the brakes on fat loss. When acetate levels rise, your body simply burns more acetate, and less fat. In essence, acetate pushes fat to the back of the queue.

    * A small portion of the alcohol is converted into fat.
    * Your liver then converts most of the alcohol into acetate.
    * The acetate is then released into your bloodstream, and replaces fat as a source of fuel.

    The way your body responds to alcohol is very similar to the way it deals with excess carbohydrate.

    Although carbohydrate can be converted directly into fat, one of the main effects of overfeeding with carbohydrate is that it simply replaces fat as a source of energy. That's why any type of diet, whether it's high-fat, high-protein, or high-carbohydrate, can lead to a gain in weight.
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    Jul 23, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
    Bens77 saidi That's why any type of diet, whether it's high-fat, high-protein, or high-carbohydrate, can lead to a gain in weight.


    ...only if the following equation:

    Weight change = Calories In - Calories out

    gives a positive result. Yes, yes, I know there are other health effects related to the source of calories. But the bottom line is....you won't gain weight unless the equation is positive. If it's negative, you'll lose weight.

    Put another way....if you ate no food, but only consumed alcohol, but only one drink per day, you'd die of starvation (of course, you'd die from malnutrition and other diseases long before, probably).
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    Jul 23, 2010 8:02 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI've heard both sides of the coin and haven't made up my mind.
    But I still have plum wine and Saki with my sashimi after a workout, and the occasional Long Island Iced Tea or fifteen when hanging out.


    LOL love that drink
  • tongun18

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    Aug 04, 2010 8:11 PM GMT
    I just posted this in another forum, something else to consider re: alcohol:

    Alcohol should be kept to a minimum guys, even if its a light beer or a hard drink without the mixes. The metabolic breakdown of alcohol is a four step process, every step releases energy (calories). Because many of the calories are not released during the first step of the process, companies are not required to count those calories on their nutrition labels.

    Keep this in mind: a single shot of 80 proof alcohol contains roughly 65 calories (assuming the alcohol is taken completely through the bodies metabolic process.) More if its a sweet liquor like rum.

    Wine on average has 23 calories per ounce.

    Beer (at 4.5% ABV) is roughly 12 calories per ounce. (higher ABV yields more calories.)

    Also, something else to consider, alcohol suppresses testosterone! Less testosterone is going to make it difficult to build and/or maintain both lean mass and definition.
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    Aug 14, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    I wouldn't do it, personally. I've been told that alcohol is bad for protein synthesis and all that. Plus it's excess calories.
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    Aug 14, 2010 6:26 AM GMT
    tongun18 saidI just posted this in another forum, something else to consider re: alcohol:

    Alcohol should be kept to a minimum guys, even if its a light beer or a hard drink without the mixes. The metabolic breakdown of alcohol is a four step process, every step releases energy (calories). Because many of the calories are not released during the first step of the process, companies are not required to count those calories on their nutrition labels.

    Keep this in mind: a single shot of 80 proof alcohol contains roughly 65 calories (assuming the alcohol is taken completely through the bodies metabolic process.) More if its a sweet liquor like rum.

    Wine on average has 23 calories per ounce.

    Beer (at 4.5% ABV) is roughly 12 calories per ounce. (higher ABV yields more calories.)

    Also, something else to consider, alcohol suppresses testosterone! Less testosterone is going to make it difficult to build and/or maintain both lean mass and definition.


    I found this article interesting, especially where it mentions that alcohol demands carbohydrates in able to be digested. I guess this explains why we crave the weirdest things after we drink.

    http://www.healthchecksystems.com/alcohol.htm
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    Aug 14, 2010 9:15 AM GMT
    Bullwinklemoos saidI wouldn't do it, personally. I've been told that alcohol is bad for protein synthesis and all that. Plus it's excess calories.
    Between sushi, sashimi, steak, and shrimp last night, I ate a total of about 200 grams of protein in one meal.
    So that huge glass of Saki didn't hurt a damn thing. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 28, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
    I'm kind of surprised that no one has mentioned one of the key variables in this, effects on hormones.

    First off alcohol is detected in the body as a poison, and the body tells the liver to stop processing fat, and process alcohol immediately, and all fat burning comes to a sudden halt until the alcohol is removed from the system. This is a simplified explanation of a complex hormonal reaction.

    However, an even larger factor is that alcohol is highly detrimental to your testosterone/estrogen balance. Alcohol depletes testosterone levels significantly. Certain types of alcohol like beer are much worse then others like wine in this aspect. Alcohol also boosts estrogen levels, here again the hops in beer is a major offender. Aside from this alcohol is toxic to muscle cells. In small amounts is this going to kill all progress? Probably not. In the most extreme case, in large amounts closely following intense exertion it can cause a medical emergency known as rhabdomyolysis - a simplified definition being a sudden break down of skeletal muscle fiber components released into the blood stream that may result in kidney damage or even kidney failure. As I said this is an extreme example. However, the bottom line for me comes down to one question...will this get me closer to my goals or take me farther from them...with alcohol the answer is pretty clear. The more muscle mass you are trying to gain or the more body fat you have to lose the less you can get away with this. A person simply trying to maintain will have better luck dealing with alcohol then someone looking for significant physique change.