Another Example of Israeli Ethnic Cleansing: "IDF destroys West Bank village after declaring it military zone." Eventually, the Entire West Bank Will Be Declared a "Closed Military Zone" and the entire population will be expelled.

  • tokugawa

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    Jul 23, 2010 4:36 PM GMT
    The IDF's Civil Administration destroyed a Palestinian village Monday morning that had earlier been cleared out when its water supply was cut off.

    The IDF demolished about 55 structures in the West Bank village of Farasiya, including tents, tin shacks, plastic and straw huts, clay ovens, sheep pens and bathrooms. These structures served the 120 farmers, hired workers and their families who lived in the Jordan Valley village.

    The Civil Administration said they had declared the area a live fire zone and posted eviction orders for 10 families in tents on June 27.

    ...

    Since 1967, Israel has prevented Palestinian communities in the Jordan Valley from growing, whether by cutting off their water supply, declaring large areas as live fire zones or banning all construction.

    About a year ago the IDF set up hundreds of warning signs near Palestinian farming communities, marking them closed military areas. Such a sign was set up at the entrance to Farasiya.

    ...

    On Sunday, 10 families from Bardala, a village north of Farasiya, were given demolition notices.

    A farmer who owns 300 sheep was told to leave in 24 hours or his herd would be confiscated.

    Full story:

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-destroys-west-bank-village-after-declaring-it-military-zone-1.303098

    How this violates the Geneva Conventions:

    4th Geneva Convention:

    "Art. 53. Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations."

    Article 49 is also relevant, prohibiting "Individual or mass forcible transfers" and of course, the well known: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."


    The typical Israeli response: the forced eviction of all non-Jews from the West Bank to other nations is "an absolute military necessity." But it will be done incrementally. If done too quickly, it will mobilize an international boycott, divestment and sanctions movement (BDS). (A similar BDS campaign was responsible for the fall of the South African apartheid regime.)

    http://www.thenation.com/article/boycott-divestment-sanctions-movement

    http://www.endtheoccupation.org/

    The response from the U.S. Congress:

  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2010 7:00 AM GMT
    Interesting that I couldn't find anything whatsoever on this topic in any of the main stream press. It seems to be found only on anti semitic blogs.
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    Jul 24, 2010 8:53 AM GMT
    If Israel and Palestine were two attractive raging homosexual men, which would be the top and which would be the bottom and why?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 24, 2010 2:15 PM GMT
    This is just more valid proof that Israel is nothing more than a glorified terrorist nation that is largely supported by the US. Ethnic cleansing is just one of the horrible atrocities committed by the Israeli national government. It is very sad that mainstream news organizations like FOX, CNN, and NBC don't make an honest effort to report this news and expose the truth about Israel and its brutal, sick minded military.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
    This is all so familiar to me.

    These are exactly all the same things the South African government did to black settlements during the dark days of Apartheid. I know, I was there, and they had all the exact same excuses for doing so as the Israelis do now.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    Not to diminish the concept of ethnic cleansing, but here we have yet another tiresome anti-Israel thread. I've noticed that the few pro-Israel threads are started as a response to threads like these; if the pro-Israel camp adopted the same tactics as anti-Israel ones RJ would be flooded with inflammatory threads like these:

    FEMALE ARAB LAWYER TO ARAB MEN: "RAPE ISRAELI WOMEN!"

    You can dismiss this as a sensational fringe incident but the fact that it happened is indisuptable - in the lawyer's own words, in a news interview where she advocated sexually harassing Israeli women as a show of resistance to Israeli's "raping" the land, yet stuff of this ilk is NOT regularly posted to these forums as are the anti-Israel threads.
  • xebec75

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    Jul 24, 2010 3:04 PM GMT
    Reason #425 as to why there needs to be freedom from religion instead of freedom of religion.

    My mother always used to take away our toys when my brother and I couldn't share. The UN should just expel everyone from Israel and Palestine and turn it into a theme park.

    The Wailing Wall brought to you by Coke!!! Come visit the Dome of the Rock...kids eat free!!!

    Fuck statists.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
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    FEMALE ARAB LAWYER TO ARAB MEN: "RAPE ISRAELI WOMEN!"



    Bunk, and here's why:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

    Harassment and rape according to the israeli courts can be as simple as telling someone that you're a jew when you're really an arab.

    It's funny that when Israel does something fucked up, it's because we're missing the context, but when arabs do something that's fucked up, it's because they're barbarians.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidInteresting that I couldn't find anything whatsoever on this topic in any of the main stream press. It seems to be found only on anti semitic blogs.


    Since when is an israeli newspaper like Haaretz considered anti-semitic?
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    Fountains said
    eagermuscle said

    FEMALE ARAB LAWYER TO ARAB MEN: "RAPE ISRAELI WOMEN!"



    Bunk, and here's why:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/21/arab-guilty-rape-consensual-sex-jew

    Harassment and rape according to the israeli courts can be as simple as telling someone that you're a jew when you're really an arab.

    Thank you for proving my point, which was that the anti-Israel posters will put up anything, even "bunk," to generate anti-Israel sentiment. They will also go completely off-topic mid-thread (like I did) and mislead with headlines that misquote (like I did - the lawyer fell short of condoning actual rape by recommending sexual harassment). My post was an exercise in reflecting their tactics.

    Fountains said

    It's funny that when Israel does something fucked up, it's because we're missing the context, but when arabs do something that's fucked up, it's because they're barbarians.

    Your point would be better served if you acknowledged that double standards applied to BOTH sides.

    Anyway, it's quite possible that you missed my point because I wasn't clear enough. All I'm saying is that it's getting tiresome logging into RJ every day to find yet another anti-Israel thread as if wrongdoing by Israel is so disproportionate to that by others. If there weren't anti-Israel spam, there wouldn't be pro-Israel responses.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    Eagermuscle, in a previous thread C4 suggested that the anti-apartheid posters on this forum were nothing more than spam posters and his support for doing so was that they post x, and he refutes x and in response they post y. In this case, you posted x, and I refuted x, and now you're going on some rant which to me seems more like a thinly veiled attempt at hiding your intellectually weak initial argument. Does that make you a spammer?

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    Jul 24, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    Refuting your refutation of x (saying you missed the point, and clarifying) isn't an intellectually weak argument. But you are correct that, in this thread, I adopted spammer techniques so I am a spammer.

    As for my rant about these threads being tiresome? That doesn't make me a spammer, that makes me a troll.

    Just felt like trying on different hats this morning.
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    Jul 24, 2010 4:32 PM GMT
    actually, after re-reading this, I noticed that I did miss your first paragrapgh where you did suggest that and point taken. As it were, my eyes were drawn towards the "FEMALE ARAB LAWYER TO ARAB MEN: "RAPE ISRAELI WOMEN!"" which is all too commonly posted seriously on these forums.

    So as I said, point taken. Let's carry on.
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    Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM GMT
    sxydrkhair> I finally won't recognize "Israel" anymore. You guys deserve this.
    So-called "Israel" is a Zionist fairy tale.

    LOL. You finally found a pretense to come out with your real feelings - which have been obvious all along?


    Also from the article:

    Haaretz> The Civil Administration said they had declared the area a live fire zone and posted eviction orders for 10 families in tents on June 27. "Since no appeal was filed in the following three weeks, and given the danger posed by the location of the tents, they were removed," they said in response.

    So this "village" didn't even have "houses", thus the reference to "structures".
    And tokugawa intentionally omitted that there was an appeals process.

    Not to mention the tremendous leap from projecting something impacting 10 families to hysterical propaganda embedded in the topc title of how "Eventually the Entire West Bank Will Be Declared a 'Closed Military Zone' and the entire population will be expelled". That's as bad as false claims of "genocide", and even more curious in an area that has flourished and seen a tremendous increase in population under Israeli administration.


    tokugawa> In order to end a conflict, both sides need to stop demonizing the other side, and study the history of the conflict from both sides. Americans, unfortunately, rarely are informed of the Palestinian side of the conflict.

    Then why are you and the other trolling spammers starting new discussion topics seeking to demonize Israel?
    As if the existing topics discussing the Arab-Israeli conflict aren't enough?


    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/349491

    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/494893

    Arabs are not indigenous to Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/979648

    Jerusalem
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/887747

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691

    Jaffa: 94% fled before entry of Israeli forces; 6% became Israeli citizens
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/960691#54845_1035438_name

    In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
    (Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/354843

    Pallywood: fake news revealed
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/897708

    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/973888

    Countries that support gays or kill them
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797
  • Webster666

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    Jul 25, 2010 11:50 PM GMT
    Fountains said
    Webster666 saidInteresting that I couldn't find anything whatsoever on this topic in any of the main stream press. It seems to be found only on anti semitic blogs.


    Since when is an israeli newspaper like Haaretz considered anti-semitic?




    It's your choice to be a stupid ass.
    Go back and read what I actually wrote.
    I said, "It SEEMS to be..."
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    Webster666 said
    Fountains said
    Webster666 saidInteresting that I couldn't find anything whatsoever on this topic in any of the main stream press. It seems to be found only on anti semitic blogs.


    Since when is an israeli newspaper like Haaretz considered anti-semitic?




    It's your choice to be a stupid ass.
    Go back and read what I actually wrote.
    I said, "It SEEMS to be..."


    Are you serious? Tokugawa POSTED the Haaretz article. Don't try and backpedal out of your moronic oversight.
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    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".

    Racist... You're denying the existence and the right of Palestinian self-determination and nationality.

    Arabs are not indigenous to Israel
    Racist. Telling us Arabs have no right to live in Israel? Again, fail to realize many historians say Palestinians are Hebrew/Canaanite with some Arab and European genes (the Europe from the Crusaders). They were the people who stayed, who couldn't afford to leave or you just converted for political means or self-preservation. Genetics don't lie...

    Jerusalem
    False teaching, because Jerusalem was ancient Canaanite city, not only Jewish. Now Jerusalem is home to Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Not "only Jewish." You are only focus on your Jewish history or self-interest more than Christianity or Islam.

    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel
    That's like telling us Arabs are not willing to make peace with Israelis... Arabs are evil and Jews want peace with Arabs. FALSE TEACHING.

    Jaffa: 94% fled before entry of Israeli forces; 6% became Israeli citizens
    That is all lied. My family was originally from Jaffa and they were ethnic cleansing by your terrorist grandparents. Zionist terrorists initiated a cruel siege on the city of Jaffa in 1948.

    In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
    (Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)

    Most of the compromises was created by pro-Zionist and Israel's interests. They want Palestinians' East Jerusalem and some land from the West Bank. Israel already break the international law.

    Pallywood: fake news revealed
    Anti-Palestinians and propaganda.

    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas
    Anti-Palestinians and propaganda.
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    "Palestine" is the Latin/European name for Eretz Yisrael, the Jewish homeland
    - and Arab denials of the existence of "Palestine".


    IanCT> Racist... You're denying the existence and the right of Palestinian self-determination and nationality.

    It's not my fault that the Arabs of Palestine denied the existence of Palestine or Palestinians until the middle of the 20th century.
    It's not my fault that never in history was there an Arab Palestine.
    It's not my fault that in recent centuries "Palestine" was associated with "Judea & Israel", the area of the Jewish tribes.
    Follow the link and you'll see that these are FACTS which are never challenged let alone refuted despite the lengthy discussion.


    Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people.
    (Judaism is a religion, Jews are an ethnic group)


    IanCT> ?

    It's funny that there is no comment here because this topic was posted due to the racist attempt of others to deny that Jews are Jews (the ultimate act of Anti-semitism?) or to deny that Jews are an ethnic group.


    Arabs are not indigenous to Israel

    IanCT> Telling us Arabs have no right to live in Israel?

    Straw man. That argument is not advanced at any point by me. To the contrary, I am proud that 20% of Israel's population is Arab and that they are full citizens with equal protection under the law - with more freedom and liberties, as well as a higher standard of living and quality of life, than Arabs living in surrounding Arab countries!


    IanCT> fail to realize many historians say Palestinians are Hebrew/Canaanite with some Arab and European genes (the Europe from the Crusaders). They were the people who stayed, who couldn't afford to leave or you just converted for political means or self-preservation. Genetics don't lie...

    Follow the link and you'll see that the genetics indicate that the Arabs of "Palestine" do NOT descend from the Hebrews/Jews (or from the Canaanites who assimilated into the Jewish states some 1500 years prior to the Arab invasion of 638 CE).


    Jerusalem

    IanCT> Now Jerusalem is home to Christianity, Islam and Judaism. Not "only Jewish."

    Again the straw man of "only"?!
    Now is under Jewish rule and all have religious freedom and access.

    As recently as 1948, all Jews were ethnically cleansed from eastern Jerusalem (with 58 Synagogues destoryed), which then became known as "Arab East Jerusalem". During the 20 years that this portion of the city was under Arab rule, the Christian population dropped nearly by half.

    Today, under Israeli rule, the Christian population (as of course the Muslim population) is growing.


    IanCT> You are only focus on your Jewish history or self-interest more than Christianity or Islam.

    This topic actually focuses on the Islamic period (which, with 2 relatively brief periods, was of great dereliction and decay).


    1947-1948: Arabs reject compromise and attack Israel

    IanCT> That's like telling us Arabs are not willing to make peace with Israelis... Arabs are evil and Jews want peace with Arabs.

    The FACT is that Arabs were not willing to make peace.
    Not in 1947 or after.
    In 1949 the Arab League issued its infamous "3 NOs":
    NO negotiations, NO recognition of Israel, NO peace.
    This was repeated as late as 1967.
    In the late 1970s, when Egypt accepted UNSCR 242 and made peace, it was ejected from the Arab League.

    In current events, the same remains true. Not just Arafat's rejection of the Clinton compromise parameters (saying "no to everything" and without as much as a counter-offer), but today Abbas, his successor, refuses to conduct direct negotitions with Israel.

    Interestingly, only once - in the period of optimism that followed Arafat's death - did the majority of Palesitnian Arabs support the Clinton compromise.

    Today, 35% of the Palesitnian Arabs think the struggle should continue even after a permanent peace agreement is achieved.
    PCPSR:
    35% oppose a compromise on ending the conflict that would state that when the permanent status agreement is fully implemented, it will mean the end of the conflict and no further claims will be made by either side


    Jaffa: 94% fled before entry of Israeli forces; 6% became Israeli citizens

    IanCT> they were ethnic cleansing by your terrorist grandparents. Zionist terrorists initiated a cruel siege on the city of Jaffa in 1948.

    There was no "siege" on Jaffa, not even a blockade. Arabs and supplies entered and exited the city freely. Arab fighters from the Arab Liberation Army were able to enter the city and began attacks on the Jewish communities and neighboring Tel Aviv.

    Nimr al Khatib was a member of the Moslem Brotherhood and of the Arab Higher Command (the representative body of the Arabs of Mandate Palestine). He described the last days of Arab Jaffa, noting that the the ALA (Arab Liberation Army)
    acted as if the town was theirs, and began to rob people and loot their houses. People's lives became worthless and women's honour was defiled. This prompted many inhabitants to leave under the protection of the British tanks.
    The inhabitants were more afraid of their defenders-saviours than of the Jews their enemies.


    In search of a solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict: UNSCR 242, Oslo and Camp David/Taba
    (Or: I support the Clinton COMPROMISE parameters. Do you?!)


    IanCT> Most of the compromises was created by pro-Zionist and Israel's interests. They want Palestinians' East Jerusalem and some land from the West Bank

    In return for which Israel was willing to give up other things.
    Once again we see not only that IanCT is against compromise, he doesn't even understand the concept.
    (There is no word in Arabic for "compromise", often translated as "surrender".)


    Pallywood: fake news revealed

    IanCT> Anti-Palestinians and propaganda.

    There is nothing "anti-Palestinian" about exposing anti-Israel Arab propaganda.

    It is telling that IanCT thought he could disprove the above (which includes a CBS 60-Minutes segment) with new anti-Israel propaganda videos.


    Free Gaza from what truly afflicts it: Hamas

    IanCT> Anti-Palestinians and propaganda.

    So you think the violent Hamas coup was a good thing?
    That their terrorist "government" is a good thing?
    You have no problem with their suspending democracy and secularism?
    Is Hamas is good for Gaza?
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    IanCT> ?

    At least here you're not pushing your propaganda that one can be openly gay in areas under PA rule let alone in Hamastan while hypocritically diminishing the freedoms and legal protections given to us in Israel. Note that gay people from the areas in the disputed territories which are under Arab rule flee to Israel for safety. IanCT (and samxr) don't care, they are more concerned with (falsely) demonizing Israel than in the well-being of their gay brethren.


    It is interesting that IanCT removed all the links from his post, to ensure no one followed them and read more than his soundbite response (or straw man). Also curious is that he himself hasn't been able to refute what I said in those topics. Instead we get the constant drone of new anti-Israel topics and new demonizations. Not in the cause of peace (they've, now explicitly, told us they are against that - samxr gave us the added theatrics of having changed his mind due to this topic, setting the example he wishes others to follow), but to perpetuate the war to destroy Israel - no matter how much suffering that war brings and no matter how long it takes.

  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 26, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    It is time to make the entire City of Jerusalem the national capital of the proposed Palestinian nation and serve the Israeli national government their eviction papers ordering them to vacate Jerusalem. They can move their national capital to either Tel Aviv, Haifa or give them Bethlehem in exchange for Jerusalem since Bethlehem is the supposed birthplace of Jesus and Jesus was Jewish.
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    roadbikeRob saidIt is time to make the entire City of Jerusalem the national capital of the proposed Palestinian nation and serve the Israeli national government their eviction papers ordering them to vacate Jerusalem. They can move their national capital to either Tel Aviv, Haifa or give them Bethlehem in exchange for Jerusalem since Bethlehem is the supposed birthplace of Jesus and Jesus was Jewish.


    Nobody in Bethlehem want to be under Israel. Jesus wasn't a Jewish. He was baptized in Jordan River. Jesus is son of God.
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    That's the most convincing argument regarding the Israeli-Palestinian debate that I've ever read.
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    Jul 28, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    Caesarea4, the spammer, saidtokugawa> In order to end a conflict, both sides need to stop demonizing the other side, and study the history of the conflict from both sides. Americans, unfortunately, rarely are informed of the Palestinian side of the conflict.

    Then why are you ... starting new discussion topics ...?


    Because stories like this, pointing out Israeli violations of international law, almost never appear in the American mass media, which is very heavily biased in favor of Israel.

    And most Americans do not read Israeli newspapers, and would never hear about this kind of story:

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/idf-destroys-west-bank-village-after-declaring-it-military-zone-1.303098

    To be an honest broker, we need to hear about both sides of the conflict. Americans, unfortunately, rarely are informed of the Palestinian side.

    C4, who previously demanded to know which laws Israel is violating, did not dispute that continued Israeli ethnic cleansing of Palestinians violates the international law, specifically the Geneva Conventions:

    4th Geneva Convention:

    "Art. 53. Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations."

    "Article 49 is also relevant, prohibiting "Individual or mass forcible transfers" and of course, the well known: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

    Maybe they hate us because we ignore Israeli violations of international law, and we continue to give Israel $3 BILLION in military aid yearly, and some of this military aid is used to indiscriminately kill civilians (Gaza) and illegally attack other nations (Lebanon).
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    IanCT> Jesus wasn't a Jewish. He was baptized in Jordan River. Jesus is son of God.

    ROTFL.


    tokugawa> C4... did not dispute...

    I already have refuted your talking points many times.

    For a territory to be "occupied", it must belong to a High Contracting Party (state).
    See Article 2 of the convention you are referencing.
    Which is why no one considered Egypt or Jordan as "occupiers" from 1949-1967.

    Note that if you wish to consider the disputed territories as "occupied" (I know, it's a great soundbite/slogan and you can't delve any deeper than that), then it is occupied Egyptian and Jordanian territory. Indeed, this is what it was initially considered. Egypt and Jordan have since given up their claims, so the term "occupied" is simply used to add more heat than light. (And just to clarify: Egypt and Jordan can't give someone territory they no longer hold.)

    Regarding Article 49: It applies to forced transfers.
    Regarding Article 53: reread the last sentence.

    Finally regarding the "occupation" soundbite, it is important to remember that an occupation isn't illegal. It is what happens between war and peace. Unfortunately the Arab parties were quick to war and are slow to peace and thus the Israeli administration of the disputed territories drags on. It's unfortunate that rather than attempting to solve the problem (or even support solutions) that tokugawa (like 3 or 4 others here on RJ) fixate on problems resulting from the status quo as rationalizations/justifications for perpetuating the conditions that created the status quo in the first place.


    It is amazing that on one hand you state:

    tokugawa> In order to end a conflict, both sides need to stop demonizing the other side

    Yet you spend 99.9% of your posts selectively demonizing one-side.
    (And funnier that you now attempt to rationalize and justify your doing so.)

    Why your constant spam in new topics, demonizing one tree, when there are already plenty of discussions pertaining to the forest?


    tokugawa> Maybe they hate us

    Us? Dude, you aren't fooling anyone with your shill routine.

    Note also the racist hatist logic being employed here. tokugawa claims to be Jewish, not Israeli, so he is attempting to rationalize and justify people hating Jews on the basis of alleged Israeli wrong-doing.

    Note the parallel to those who argue that homophobes hate gays because of drag queens and leather daddies at pride.

    Furthermore, note how he self-contradicts himself:

    tokugawa> we need to hear about both sides of the conflict. Americans, unfortunately, rarely are informed of the Palestinian side.

    So why not educate us about the Palestinian Arab side rather than constantly demonize Israel? For example, why can't you (or samxr, IanCT, pouncer or ZbmwM5) tell us what made the Hamas icon Sheik Qassem (born to an Arab family in northern Syria) and PFLP & DFLP founder Nayef Hawatmeh (born of an Arab tribe in Jordan) "Palestinians"?

    Now let's double-check your logic:
    They hate "us" based on things they don't even hear about... but which you insist on spamming out-of-context and one-sidedly?!

    This is like homophobes claiming that the liberal media doesn't report both sides about homosexuality. For example, that gays are pedophiles - while spamming about rare cases of child molestation (many of which turn out not to be true) and ignoring the many more cases perpetrated by heterosexuals.

    This is no different than the standard propaganda that "they eat babies".

    To review: first you legitimize the hate of a group based on the alleged acts of a few members.
    Then you tell us that it is important to spam these alleged acts so that people know about them.
    Your agenda is clear: it is to generate blind hate of the other side.