do you like Madonna any less...

  • solak

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    Jul 23, 2010 7:45 PM GMT
    ..after "discovering" Cyndi Lauper?

    since Cyndi was before my time I didn't grow up on her.. but ever since listening, Madonna sounds like another pop-trash production (w/exception of certain songs "Like A Prayer," and her Confessions on a Dance album)

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    Jul 23, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    do you like Madonna any less...

    I couldn't possibly like Madonna any less.

    Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Baez, Billie Holiday, Dinah Shore, Doris Day and Jenny Lind.

    They all had their day but their day wasn't in this century.
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    Jul 23, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
    fastfreddie saiddo you like Madonna any less...

    I couldn't possibly like Madonna any less.

    Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Baez, Billie Holiday, Dinah Shore, Doris Day and Jenny Lind.

    They all had their day but their day wasn't in this century.



    LOL

    I always though Cyndi was just as talented as Madonna. I think she was just happy keeping a lower profile. I really loved her first album, She's So Unusual - every track was great.
  • RSportsguy

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    Jul 23, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    I think that Cyndi could have at least equaled Madonna's stardom but she did not get the best of advice and made some bad career choices along the way. I always loved her voice!
  • MadeinMich

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    Jul 23, 2010 11:48 PM GMT
    RSportsguy saidI think that Cyndi could have at least equaled Madonna's stardom but she did not get the best of advice and made some bad career choices along the way. I always loved her voice!


    What bad career advice did Cyndi get? And what mistakes did she make. I thought she stopped making as popular music anymore
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    someone told me once about young gay men in the eighties that many were Madonna fags, but a smaller number of dedicated Siouxsie fags. I fell into the Siouxsie fag category.

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    Jul 24, 2010 12:48 AM GMT
    MadeinMich said
    RSportsguy saidI think that Cyndi could have at least equaled Madonna's stardom but she did not get the best of advice and made some bad career choices along the way. I always loved her voice!


    What bad career advice did Cyndi get? And what mistakes did she make. I thought she stopped making as popular music anymore


    She got caught up in the whole Pro Wrestling thing. I think if she would have concentrated on her music, she would have flourished more.
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    I LOVE Siouxsie! But I also love Cyndi and Madonna. I saw Cyndi when she opened for Cher (also amazing!) and she was incredible. Not only does she have a great voice, but she's a multi-instrumentalist (a HUGE plus for me) and a vocal supporter of the gay community!

    Madonna has reinvented herself more often than David Bowie (my God) himself, and just continues to grow. And she keeps herself in amazing physical shape, which anyone on this site should appreciate.
  • solak

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    Jul 24, 2010 12:53 AM GMT
    RSportsguy said
    MadeinMich said
    RSportsguy saidI think that Cyndi could have at least equaled Madonna's stardom but she did not get the best of advice and made some bad career choices along the way. I always loved her voice!


    What bad career advice did Cyndi get? And what mistakes did she make. I thought she stopped making as popular music anymore


    She got caught up in the whole Pro Wrestling thing. I think if she would have concentrated on her music, she would have flourished more.


    you're kidding.. as in an actual girl wrestler? or like announcer for WWF or something..interesting
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    solak said
    RSportsguy said
    MadeinMich said
    RSportsguy saidI think that Cyndi could have at least equaled Madonna's stardom but she did not get the best of advice and made some bad career choices along the way. I always loved her voice!


    What bad career advice did Cyndi get? And what mistakes did she make. I thought she stopped making as popular music anymore


    She got caught up in the whole Pro Wrestling thing. I think if she would have concentrated on her music, she would have flourished more.


    you're kidding.. as in an actual girl wrestler? or like announcer for WWF or something..interesting


    No, she was the manager of famous girl wrestler Wendi Richter and promoted Captain Lou Albano.
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:21 AM GMT
    well they both came out around the same time. I liked some of Cyndi's stuff but Madonna she isnt especially the later stuff which really lacks the hooks

    and like Madonna she did put out some fluffy pop as well...She Bop, Goonies R Good Enough, Hole in My Heart.

    Ill take Madonna every day over Cyndi
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    madonna makes very good pop music (or at least she used to), but her forte was always self-promotion. cyndi lauper has always had a far more powerful voice, a better vocal range, better vocal tone (watch live performances: madonna needs to fall back occasionally on pre-recorded high notes, and frequently goes flat, even when it's a single number -- such as her oscar performances of sooner or later; cyndi does not go flat) and a more admirable willingness to take MUSICAL risks and experiment in styles.

    what cyndi lauper lacked was madonna's (i hate to say it) ambition. madonna desperately needs to be loved, so she has built a career based on pushing people's buttons for attention. consequently, she always had people's attention. not so cyndi lauper.
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    Its not the singer's faults they sound similar.. its the song writers/producers who work behind the scenes who do so..., because they work with different artists, so the artists turn out to sound the same
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:29 AM GMT
    well as long as we are throwing out Siouxie's name...and I really love her now but I didnt listen to that music back then. Even though I guess I was a Madonna fag. I was probably a Stevie Nicks and Annie Lennox fag the most but dabbled in these ladies too in the 80s....

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  • chichpa

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    Jul 24, 2010 1:30 AM GMT
    I''ve never understood the fixation with Madonna. All I hear is a mediocre voice singing over produced music from an average, 10-a-penny pop act. I just don't get it at all. Is it just me?

  • solak

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    Jul 24, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    tituspullo1971 saidmadonna makes very good pop music (or at least she used to), but her forte was always self-promotion. cyndi lauper has always had a far more powerful voice, a better vocal range, better vocal tone (watch live performances: madonna needs to fall back occasionally on pre-recorded high notes, and frequently goes flat, even when it's a single number -- such as her oscar performances of sooner or later; cyndi does not go flat) and a more admirable willingness to take MUSICAL risks and experiment in styles.

    what cyndi lauper lacked was madonna's (i hate to say it) ambition. madonna desperately needs to be loved, so she has built a career based on pushing people's buttons for attention. consequently, she always had people's attention. not so cyndi lauper.


    hit the nail on the head.. but didn't wanna be torched by the Madonna fans by saying it

    it seems as though Madonna won't make a record unless the bottom line works (cd's/tours/paraphernalia) whereas Cyndi just goes with the flow..

    i say this because as a Lady GaGa fan i'm already noticing her err toward the corporate side (ala Madonna), and has me questioning some of her musical choices - as some of her older slow ballads + brooklyn electro hubris have become less distinct for the sake of pop. regardless, she really does deserve all her success.

    to be fair to Madonna... i couldn't find one song on Confessions i hated (except rhyming New York with "dork")icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:04 AM GMT
    fastfreddie saiddo you like Madonna any less...

    I couldn't possibly like Madonna any less.

    Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Joan Baez, Billie Holiday, Dinah Shore, Doris Day and Jenny Lind.

    They all had their day but their day wasn't in this century.


    Cyndi's new album begs to differ. She does blues, and she does the blues VERY well. "Memphis Blues"... check it out.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:08 AM GMT
    I don't know who Cyndi Lauper is icon_eek.gif (I feel like I should know who she is icon_redface.gif her name kinda rings a bell) but I like Madonna cuz she's been able to reinvent herself throughout her career, and collaborate with younger artists like Justin Timberlake in 4 minutes, she's kept herself relevant.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    They showed up on the scene about the same time. I remember listening to the True Colors and She's so Unusual until the tapes wore out. Yeah kids, there were formats before MP3. I know it's a difficult concept, but honest, I'm not pulling your leg.

    I also listened to a lot of Heart, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics. Kids, Eurythmics was the duo Annie Lennox was in before you were all a twinkle in the mail man's eye.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidThey showed up on the scene about the same time. I remember listening to the True Colors and She's so Unusual until the tapes wore out. Yeah kids, there were formats before MP3. I know it's a difficult concept, but honest, I'm not pulling your leg.

    I also listened to a lot of Heart, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics. Kids, Eurythmics was the duo Annie Lennox was in before you were all a twinkle in the mail man's eye.


    Cher was in this other group too...

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    Jul 24, 2010 2:42 AM GMT
    Madonna has always been on the cutting edge when re-inventing herself and hearing her music from Like a Virgin to True Blue to Like a Prayer to Music among others, truly shows that she's the Queen of Pop and a shrewd businesswoman as well.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    Cyndi Lauper was one of my all-time favs back in high school.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
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    GuerrillaSodomite saidThey showed up on the scene about the same time. I remember listening to the True Colors and She's so Unusual until the tapes wore out. Yeah kids, there were formats before MP3. I know it's a difficult concept, but honest, I'm not pulling your leg.

    I also listened to a lot of Heart, Pat Benatar and Eurythmics. Kids, Eurythmics was the duo Annie Lennox was in before you were all a twinkle in the mail man's eye.


    Cher was in this other group too...

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    I used to have the maxi LP single of gypsies Tramps and Thieves. Momma should have known what was up when I was singing along in the mirror into a hair brush when I was 5 years old.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:11 AM GMT
    I still love Madonna more than I'll ever love Cyndi. I've been listening to Madonna's music since I was a little boy who knew nothing about sexuality, or sexual orientation, or condoms, or butt sex. Talk about hitting the mark with a gay man's favorite! But her music was always so damn good. It's true that she's become much less relevant over the years with her "Reinventions" and such... and don't get me started on the American Life album, yuk! But if it wasn't for all the risks she took in life, she wouldn't be the most successful female performer of all time. Yes this includes the whoring up, the cursing, the fashion, and the rest... She has been a very intelligent businesswoman, and she'll continue to find ways to stay on top (no pun intended).
  • chichpa

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    Jul 24, 2010 7:46 AM GMT
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    chichpa saidI''ve never understood the fixation with Madonna. All I hear is a mediocre voice singing over produced music from an average, 10-a-penny pop act. I just don't get it at all. Is it just me?



    You are not the only one. I concur with your analysis.




    Phew! Thank goodness!