"I won't read another political topic on Real Jock, I won't read another political topic on Real Jock. Oh damn it! I did anyway..."

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    Jul 23, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    Ok I'd like to make a personal plea here for members to tone down the rhetoric on the Real Jock forums. I know we all have different ideas and opinions and the forums can be a great place to share information, your ideas and your opinions. However, I feel that a few members continually post topics in an attempt to inflame and antagonize other members. While it's nice to be able to express one's ideas I don't believe it adds anything to the Real Jock community and actually creates a negative and hostile environment.

    There are many places out there on the internet that you can express yourself, but I would like to think that at its core Real Jock is an on-line community of gay men interested in fitness and living a healthy lifestyle and despite our differences we are ultimately here to support and learn from each other.

    Thanks for hearing me out,
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    Jul 23, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    100% agree, as do many of us. There are a few posters (mostly on the conservative side, but a few on the left now) who continually start political threads for the purpose of repeating their same points again and again and again and again. At least one of them, probably more, are shills. I will summarise the two threads which keep being recycled:

    Obama is satan/socialist/very, very bad and all he does is satanic/socialist/very, very bad. Look what he has done now, he is going to kill children/take all your money/kill old people/take all my money.

    All conservatives are heartless shits who only care about their bank account. Can you believe they did X

    That is about it. Honestly, these threads should be deleted more often. They contribute nothing.

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    Jul 23, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    Actually I talked about having a political moratorium a few weeks ago. It went over with a resounding thud here. And I'm one of the guys identified as being extreme left wing.

    In my defense, I don't initiate all that many political OPs, preferring to start other topics. When I do get passionately political I'm mostly replying to the right-wing assaults on gays & gay rights we're seeing here lately, a pattern that does concern me. No, you won't usually catch these guys spelling out attacks on gays directly -- instead they champion those who do have virulent anti-gay agendas.

    It is homophobia by proxy.

    So yeah, aeois/Seth, I'd rather talk about something else besides politics. Like my HIV/AIDS bike ride I'm getting ready for, or motorcycles, or cars, or dozens of other things that interest me, that I do discuss here daily, as well.

    It's just difficult for me to look the other way when these agents of homophobia come here to hate us, lie to us, trash us, and try to BS us into joining their numbers in a suicidal pact with them. Your thoughts?
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    Jul 23, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    This part of the forum is for GAY NEWS AND EVENTS, not simply political debates. Simple Left/right or Israel/palestine stuff really should be capped. It can be done elsewhere. it is done elsewhere.

    GAY NEWS, like I posted in that other thread (though the fact that the catholic church is totally morally bankrupt is not really news) or even more tangiental: as I write I am listening to an interview with Michel Sidibé who is the executive director of ONUSIDA (The Joint United Nations Programme on HIV and AIDS, or UNAIDS). That is much more relevant than MORE verbal wank on Israel/Obama/who fucking cares.


    also

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/1046461
  • shoelessj

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    Jul 23, 2010 10:26 PM GMT
    agreed, too.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM GMT
    Unfortunately, political forum topics are highly addictive, especially the explosive ones about the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    Wilton saidActually I talked about having a political moratorium a few weeks ago. It went over with a resounding thud here. And I'm one of the guys identified as being extreme left wing.


    A political moratorium seems an excellent idea!
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    I would agree, but the only way it would happen is if we could all agree not to post or read those threads. I don't know if I can do that because of the misinformation spewed by the owner of the Bait, Tackle and Spin shop, but I will gladly sign on and try.
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    Just ignore them. Don't post there. Be part of the solution. Stupidity speaks for itself.

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    Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidI would agree, but the only way it would happen is if we could all agree not to post or read those threads. I don't know if I can do that because of the misinformation spewed by the owner of the Bait, Tackle and Spin shop, but I will gladly sign on and try.

    Bait, Tackle & Spin shop -- I love it! Nice one, Erk, one of your own? Wherever it originated, I'm gonna steal it. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 24, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    I have come to ignore the flashing red and blue lights, keeping my eyes on the road ahead in order not to become a statistic myself. However, when the replies approach such large numbers, I can’t help myself from believing there must be a catastrophic train wreck and I must pull over to offer assistance.
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    Jul 24, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    Wilton said
    ErikTaurean saidI would agree, but the only way it would happen is if we could all agree not to post or read those threads. I don't know if I can do that because of the misinformation spewed by the owner of the Bait, Tackle and Spin shop, but I will gladly sign on and try.

    Bait, Tackle & Spin shop -- I love it! Nice one, Erk, one of your own? Wherever it originated, I'm gonna steal it. icon_biggrin.gif


    Yep, it's mine, but feel free to use away!icon_lol.gif
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    Jul 24, 2010 4:03 PM GMT
    Hmmm, I have two problems I see with a political moratorium

    1) I think gay rights should be discussable though...

    (Funny enough I say that, and Im always reading about them, but I never post much on them)

    2) If you get rid of politics, you cant talk about religion in the section of spirituality either as the two significantly overlap (right wing with christianity, judaism with israel.. not to mention how gay rights in the world is always somehow linked with religion.. something I discussed in the spirituality section... forum "welcome to the world")
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    Jul 24, 2010 4:05 PM GMT
    I agree that it would be nice to see a lot of the political forums (that only end up being shouting matches anyway) to be curtailed and toned down, but I have a feeling that is wishful thinking.

    That said, it's also just as easy to simply stay out of the politically charged threads if they bother you so much, and start threads on topics that interest you or you are passionate about. I don't like all the "Guy above you" threads either, but I just avoid them and that's pretty easy.
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    Jul 24, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
    amar_m saidHmmm, I have two problems I see with a political moratorium

    1) I think gay rights should be discussable though...

    (Funny enough I say that, and Im always reading about them, but I never post much on them)

    2) If you get rid of politics, you cant talk about religion in the section of spirituality either as the two significantly overlap (right wing with christianity, judaism with israel.. not to mention how gay rights in the world is always somehow linked with religion.. something I discussed in the spirituality section... forum "welcome to the world")


    3) The yearly nonsensical Pride thread.
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    Jul 25, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
    I agree strongly. Heated rhetoric just inflames people and does no good at all.
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    Jul 25, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    Wilton saidActually I talked about having a political moratorium a few weeks ago. It went over with a resounding thud here. And I'm one of the guys identified as being extreme left wing.


    A political moratorium seems an excellent idea!

    A goal that's unachievable even if it were desirable. Some routinely find ways of turning the most bland and inane topics into ideological slugfests.
    Since it's inevitable why not just have a dedicated forum subsection where the ideologues can post their manifestos and everyone else can steer clear.
    "Do you subscribe to the ranting screed above you? Or would you rather take a chance and launch a diatribe against the guy below you?"
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    Jul 25, 2010 5:50 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidI have come to ignore the flashing red and blue lights, keeping my eyes on the road ahead in order not to become a statistic myself. However, when the replies approach such large numbers, I can’t help myself from believing there must be a catastrophic train wreck and I must pull over to offer assistance.


    So you pull over jump in and find you are in quicksand like all the rest icon_lol.gif

    I hope you always carry your Batman escape belt to get yourself out! icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 25, 2010 5:53 PM GMT
    Lostboy said100% agree, as do many of us. There are a few posters (mostly on the conservative side, but a few on the left now) who continually start political threads for the purpose of repeating their same points again and again and again and again.


    I agree too, to a certain extent.

    But, as others have posted, no one is required to read or to contribute to any Forum. Just skip past it? As Curious said, the "Tell me why the guy above you is handsome" or "Fuck or Pass" threads I find more annoying and silly than the political threads...so I don't read them and don't contribute.

    Finally, we don't live in a vacuum. We are gay men living in the United States. There are forces a foot that would not only abridge our rights, but seek to deny them. That's a political topic and it's something that should concern us all, even if this is a venue for gay athleticism.
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    Jul 25, 2010 6:09 PM GMT

    I pretty much ignore these threads and I don't find them offensive. Most of these discussions wouldn't have survived 5 mins in my sophomore history class in 66. Those days and discussions were slug fests and these are very light.

    What I find more interesting when reading some from time to time are the guys that are desperate for attention and are willing to say anything to get attention. They kind of remind me of the dead famous SF lawyer that stated even negative attention was good or something to that effect.

    For the most part they are getting what they want and need not matter how outrages their arguments. Lots of guys are willing to give it so how and why do you want to stop it??
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jul 25, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    I would tend to agree. I've noticed, especially with politics (and I know I recently put on on about Palin's views on the Mosque in NYC). Its just some slightly different topic and same slam...... I've cut back on my responses on most of the political topics because I think the negativity is way too much..... and I have other things to do honestly.
  • Celticmusl

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    Jul 25, 2010 6:30 PM GMT
    I'm still not sure about Palin. Does anyone have an opinion?
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    Jul 25, 2010 7:51 PM GMT
    I don't see political threads as a problem. The problem is they way they are discussed. When we call each other "idiot," "moron," "ignorant," "right/left wing shill," "brainwashed," and so on, we are not engaging in debate. When I read this kind of language, I wonder if people talk this way in person.

    Just because people are don't agree on one (or more) issues, this does not make them evil or subhuman. Political discussions would go so much better with some civility, and if some of us would simply no respond to people who bring out the worst in us, or who say things that we feel deserve no respect.

    Some people are misinformed. Many more hold legitimate beliefs that they arrived at through reason and experience...and which are in total opposition to our own.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 25, 2010 7:54 PM GMT
    No need to get "heated"
    Just need to correct the woefully misinformed 'tisall icon_cool.gif
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    Jul 25, 2010 7:58 PM GMT
    Well, we confess to recently sinking into the name calling camp.

    Call us the canaries in the mineshaft if you like. If we're starting to do it then it means the toxic misinformation being peddled on RJ has reached lethal concentrations.