What the hell is outside of us if our brain is creating everything we see, hear, smell, taste, and feel?

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    Jul 23, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    We are all living inside of our heads...so what is outside of us?



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    Jul 23, 2010 11:12 PM GMT
    This is not a novel concept. There has always been the metaphysical concept of do I exist. The answer previously given has been "I think; Therefore, I am."
    Yes, it is true that everything around us is photons and waves. We, humans see things the way we do is because we share a similar genomic code that compels us to process these external stimuli identically, view things the exact same that every other human sees. Sadly, as unique as we all are, in the end, we are no different.
    Because acceptance by a unanimous majority is considered to be true, how we see the world is also a "truth."
    It is scientifically known that animals see/hear/smell things we do not. Our genome does not code us to "see" the smells a dog might, thus, we think it does not exist, albeit, the dog knows otherwise. We do not feel the sonar waves, like bats do.
    Although the external world may seem like an illusion of perception, that does not mean, what we see does not exist. We merely see a blue flower, a bee sees pheromones.
    This is where the theory of a higher truth-a higher designer- comes in very handy.
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    Jul 23, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    Another note: There have been experiments where photons from lasers were shot at objects, say a block of wood, the pattern created by the photons was reflective of what the scientists saw- a block of that shape. The photons did not pass through the block where the block was on all edges.
    I will admit that I did not see the second part, and may have missed the joke.
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    Jul 23, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    I don't think I exist either.
    And to the all-knowing pompous ass above me: what do you think abut schizophrenics? They see things we don't think exist either! Are they part of the higher truth too?
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    commoncoll, speaking of pompous asses... Have a nice cup of shut the fuck up.

    That was unnecessarily unkind of you. So we thought we'd give you a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end.

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    Jul 24, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    carmineastoria saidThis is not a novel concept. There has always been the metaphysical concept of do I exist. The answer previously given has been "I think; Therefore, I am."
    Yes, it is true that everything around us is photons and waves. We, humans see things the way we do is because we share a similar genomic code that compels us to process these external stimuli identically, view things the exact same that every other human sees. Sadly, as unique as we all are, in the end, we are no different.
    Because acceptance by a unanimous majority is considered to be true, how we see the world is also a "truth."
    It is scientifically known that animals see/hear/smell things we do not. Our genome does not code us to "see" the smells a dog might, thus, we think it does not exist, albeit, the dog knows otherwise. We do not feel the sonar waves, like bats do.
    Although the external world may seem like an illusion of perception, that does not mean, what we see does not exist. We merely see a blue flower, a bee sees pheromones.
    This is where the theory of a higher truth-a higher designer- comes in very handy.


    Yeah, what HE said!! Damn, I thought I had it right...this guy just blew me out of the water... NO COMMENT!!!
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:17 AM GMT
    He's clearly in another world...


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    Jul 24, 2010 12:20 AM GMT
    Hmmm...perhaps it's time for admin to clean up the blank profiles.
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    meninlove said Hmmm...perhaps it's time for admin to clean up the blank profiles.

    Like I said before, true warriors!

    To commoncoll: Schizophrenia is a disease of the mind. They see true illusions-there is no way of testing scientifically what they see. What we-normal humans excluding you- see is testable. And remember what I said about the unanimous majority?
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    Jul 24, 2010 12:40 AM GMT
    carmineastoria saidSchizophrenia is a disease of the mind. They see true illusions-there is no way of testing scientifically what they see. What we-normal humans excluding you- see is testable. And remember what I said about the unanimous majority?


    Maybe the "unanimous majority" or what you indicate as being "normal humans" are a disease of the mind.

    Just because something is testable by people all programmed to see things the same doesn't make it real or fact.

    Many cult members all see things the same as each other and will go to their death telling you what they believe, but it doesn't make it true for those outside of the cult.

    Also many humans see things that other humans do not see. Many healers can see energy, many psychics can see ghosts/spirits, many of those who have experienced UFO alien abductions have seen aliens and UFO's, and many people who have died and come back to life have experienced NDE's (Near-death experiences). Are they not really seeing what they see because other's haven't seen it and it can't be tested by the unanimous majority who haven't experienced these things? Do they all have a disease of their mind like schizophrenics?
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    Natureigod said:
    Maybe the "unanimous majority" or what you indicate as being "normal humans" are a disease of the mind.
    Just because something is testable by people all programmed to see things the same doesn't make it real or fact.
    Many cult members all see things the same as each other and will go to their death telling you what they believe, but it doesn't make it true for everyone.
    Also many humans see things that humans do not see. Many healers can see energy, many psychics can see ghosts/spirits, and many of those who have experienced UFO alien abductions have seen aliens and UFO's. Are they not really seeing what they see because other's haven't seen it? do they all have a disease of their mind like schizophrenics?

    This bolded portion is my response.
    You raise valid points. Theses may be taken as higher truths. However, their validity rests on the basis of individuality, psychological influences, environment, pedigree, and cultural restrains.

    You must also remember that science is how we like to test reality. Naturally, science has its limitations-that is where spirituality/religion enters. Your videos tested merely for physical existence. A consensus for "I see blue" is taken as the truth that the blue colours exists when all those present agree it is blue. Similarly a consensus for "I can touch this keyboard" is taken as the truth that the keyboard exists when all those present agree they can touch the keyboard. Like I said in my original response, we see a blue flower; a bee does not see a blue flower. Despite the differences in these perceptions, all arrive to the conclusion that the object exists.

    When somebody does not see the blue color, science agrees that it is a fault of that individual.

    Your videos said that photons and waves exist. It is easier to prove supernatural phenomena do not exist, because no photon or wave can be ascribed to them. I was merely answering scientific research with technical answers. There is also no consensus across the entirety of human race of seeing UFOs, ghosts, etc.

    This is what it comes down to: I can say that UFOs do not exist, you can not say that the blue flower does not.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 24, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    Our brains aren't creating everything.
    Our brains are sensing everything.
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    Jul 24, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    carmineastoria said
    we see a blue flower; a bee does not see a blue flower. Despite the differences in these perceptions, all arrive to the conclusion that the object exists.

    When somebody does not see the blue color, science agrees that it is a fault of that individual.

    ....

    This is what it comes down to: I can say that UFOs do not exist, you can not say that the blue flower does not.



    I have a friend with synaesthesia who can hear colors. One of every thousand is said to be able to hear color or smell a sound. I use to think he was nuts, but it's a pretty common condition.

    As for the blue flower that we see as blue and a bee see's as phermones, despite science agreeing on an object existing, what is that object if we are brain dead? or is there a sixth or seventh sense that can percieve outside of the 5 human senses or brain?

    Some people can percieve outside of their body (obe's), not sure if it's a dissociative state of mind that they're seeing from within their body? but many say their essence(soul) leaves the body and they can view their body laying there from above? Those are always interesting to read about.
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    Jul 24, 2010 2:16 AM GMT
    Really naturelsgod, I have synesthaesia.

    It's merely the gestalting of senses, which senses already existing things in different ways, not creating them..


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