YOU ALWAYS THINK YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT!!!!

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    Feb 13, 2008 7:45 AM GMT
    here are my thoughts on resent things...

    ***in an argument or an opinionated discussion i often hear, "you think you are always right!" this statement has always confounded me! yes, i think im right. who the fuck doesn't? you think you are right. she thinks she is right. he thinks he is right. its how people work! who goes around thinking they are wrong all the time!! no one!! and if i am wrong someone must please give me enough evidence to prove i am wrong, then i will able to reevaluate my thoughts!

    i also hear, "your opinions are one sided!" again, who's fuckin opinions aren't? to not have a sided opinion means you have none! i just cant stand that the fact that since i am a much more efficient debater than the person that says that it makes me out to have some sort of imperial attitude! i can only secede from my position in an argument if you are able to adequately argue me wrong! im not saying I'm smarter than you I'm just saying I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!***

    please share your thoughts and opinions
    also, any common cliches people just through into debates that annoy you.

    tad
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    Feb 13, 2008 7:48 AM GMT
    I agree with you to a certain extent. However people always tell me 'you always think you're right', and generally I DON'T. As you say, I just argue my point and want people to explain to me WHY I am wrong.
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    Feb 13, 2008 8:29 AM GMT
    the onet that makes me laugh is " I didnt ask for your approval"

    Its one of those statements that normally follows an outwardly brash statement demanding affirmation that the poster is:

    a) right and we all love them and there brilliance
    b) we should all bow down to the superior being that they are and prey for enlightenment
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    Feb 13, 2008 8:30 AM GMT
    michaelback saidI agree with you to a certain extent. However people always tell me 'you always think you're right', and generally I DON'T. As you say, I just argue my point and want people to explain to me WHY I am wrong.


    totally get you there as its something I do and is a common school of leaning method, normally for people tht are extroverts by trait
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    Feb 13, 2008 9:12 AM GMT
    michaelback saidI agree with you to a certain extent. However people always tell me 'you always think you're right', and generally I DON'T. As you say, I just argue my point and want people to explain to me WHY I am wrong.


    i follow you. i do actually believe that i am always right, but obviously if I'm going to open my mouth I'm usually sure to know what I'm talking about. I'm ready to defend my statements with as many facts and examples as is can... going on the idea that i am correct in what I'm saying. if i don't know anything, i state this or i say nothing. all in all i want to be proven I'm wrong so that i can become right, but if all my reasoning has me feeling I'm right... then what can i do? I'm right and think your wrong. if a person cant stand that then don't bring things up or by all means prove me wrong... lol I'm going in circles here... anyhooooooooo

    bfg1 saidthe onet that makes me laugh is " I didnt ask for your approval"

    Its one of those statements that normally follows an outwardly brash statement demanding affirmation that the poster is:

    a) right and we all love them and there brilliance
    b) we should all bow down to the superior being that they are and prey for enlightenment


    i dont follow this post... i think i missed something.
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    Feb 13, 2008 11:09 AM GMT
    just saying its one of those things on here or in general that people throw into an argument when you disagree with their point of view. ie they dont care what your opinion is of their stance they are right and everyone else is wrong
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    Feb 13, 2008 12:23 PM GMT
    and much worse... when they prove themselves wrong they still won't admit it. icon_rolleyes.gif

    and I'm too polite to make them eat crow. icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 13, 2008 4:32 PM GMT
    Why are you asking us if you are "right"...JK.

    I almost agree with you. Yes people have opinions and sides, but when they are not able to open up to new ideas and opinions then that is when I tell them “you always think you are right.”

    I don’t know what type of conversation you are talking about. Is it with your friends wile chilling? Is it in a class? What is the setting of the conversation where people tell you “you always think you are right”? What is the conversation usually about?
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    Feb 13, 2008 4:45 PM GMT
    I think when people usually say "You think you are always right!" or "Your opnions are so one sided!" it's really implying a sense of frustration and exasperate. Discussions shouldn't usually be about arguments...if they're discussions take a gentler hand to people and they're respond better.

    I work like michaelback does and attempt to find the 'truth' by expressing my opinion/facts at my disposal and having people attempt to prove me wrong. When I was younger I was much more aggressive about it and people would get overwhelmed and have those kind of reactions you stated above. Now I say minor things which make people feel better like "My understanding was..." or "I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure..." I really think it's about how you go about it. Humility is always big in discussion with people.

    I could be wrong..just a suggestion ;)

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    Feb 13, 2008 4:46 PM GMT
    I find that this usually comes out when people get the impression that there's no room for other people's experiences. There's a difference between "I'm right and you're wrong" and "I believe I'm right, but I'm open to hearing about your experiences that don't align with mine."

    I can say, this was a major reason I'm not in my former relationship. I was always being told that if I didn't agree with my ex, I was wrong. That doesn't leave much room for me in the relationship.

    You can be certain about your views, but if you do it in a way that basically says "It's my way or the highway" then you can piss people off.
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    Feb 13, 2008 4:49 PM GMT
    Actually, I am pretty left.
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    Feb 13, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    You can have an opinion but be able to see we're someone esle is coming from thus not making your opinion one sided. To have an opinion on anything don't you have to be open to both sides?
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    Feb 13, 2008 5:51 PM GMT
    iamholiday saidhere are my thoughts on resent things...

    ***in an argument or an opinionated discussion i often hear, "you think you are always right!" this statement has always confounded me!


    Hmmm - well, if there's a pattern of different people telling you that you are one-sided at different times throughout your life, chances are they have a point - it seems that you're getting consistent feedback that you're stubborn and not really open to other points of view. You're the common denominator here, not them. "Prove me I'm wrong!" is really subjective and open to all kinds of interpretation and actually sounds like the kind of exasperating thing someone could say to never back down from a point. Just because it's logical to *you* does not mean it is logical to everyone.

    Not trying to be mean but it feels like you are asking for validation to continue feeling "right" when people in your life are consistently telling you that you have a problem with always feeling entitled to being absolutely "right."
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    Feb 13, 2008 6:18 PM GMT
    Wow, me and my ex had the exact same kind of arguments.
    THe fact of the matter is that im good with words, and i usually don't go into a discussion unless i have enough information about the subject, or have thought about it throughly enough to have formed an opinion and feel that it is the correct one.
    So when my ex used to tell me "You always think you're right!" in the middle of an argument, i had the same thought as you:
    "Of course i f-ing do!!!"
    I wouldnt have formed an opinion if i thought it was wrong.
    And on top of that, I like backing up my arguments with facts and examples, so it's not that I"m stubborn, its just that if i wont change my mind unless you give me a valid argument that proves my point and my facts wrong.
    But the one cliche that gets on my nerves the most was:

    "YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING!"


    GRRR!!! No i don't! I'm just trying to communicate my point of view!
    Perhaps it's not the ideas we're communicating, or how efficiently we do it, but our attitude towards the other person that dictates their reactions.
    Since we feel so confident in our arguments, do you think that that confidence is perceived as cockiness?
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    Feb 13, 2008 7:29 PM GMT
    I'm not always right.
    Sometimes, I'm asleep.
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    Feb 13, 2008 8:03 PM GMT
    Debating great and all. I can't stand it between me and those I'm close with, but it's a great way of getting the facts out, from both sides. But, there come those people who can't debate and lack intelligence to develope coherant arguments and long strung out ideas. They seem to be the people you're being bothered by.
    This is the real world adult version of, "I know you, but what am I?" You can't argue for or against really. It's a set state of mind. Someone's not going, isn't able, and maybe never will be able to hear your argument without feeling inadequete. There's nothing much to be done for it, and no level of stress you should allow yourself to feel to spite it.
    I remember when I was in high school and my early years of college I would debate everything I could my hands on, from politics, sex, music, to cereals, paper or plastic, and G O D. And what I'm telling you is, if you're going to hold an argument, than you should let the school yard mental cases run their course. You're better of ending your talks with when they've reached the "you think you're always right" stage.
    You'll have better luck squeezing water from a rock, than you will arguing directly on the internet.
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    Feb 13, 2008 8:59 PM GMT
    LOL I alway hear that one. "you always think your right". I'm like of course I do on this topic otherwise we wouldn't be having an argument.
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    Feb 13, 2008 9:32 PM GMT
    In any reasonable argument, one expects an adult response of listening to your statement and then addressing each fact or opinion.
    The biggest problem I notice when having an argument is the issue of 'winning' rather than learning from the argument. This is most commonly manifested by the "I'll wait until your done talking, then I'll state my points without ever fully listening to what you said."
    I'll always accept the fact that my view could be limited by insufficient data, erroneous data, or inexperience. You'll have to effectively convince me of the deficit or error. Yelling or saying, "Because I know" is not an effective response.
    I can't learn without both gathering new information and correcting old information.

    As to these observations I've pointed out here, I can say:
    "I know I'm right!"
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    Feb 13, 2008 10:12 PM GMT
    I have been accused by some of being opinionated (who me?), but I grew up in a family with two very bright older males (my dad and brother) who made me look like an intellectual slacker!

    There are some topics I don't comment on because I do not know anything about them (e.g. interior decorating), but others I will because I am interested in them, I have done a lot of reading about them, and I think about them (e.g. American politics, economics, gay rights, pop music).

    I love when people (politely) disagree with me as long as they explain why. Telling me I am full of shit is not helpful! Intelligent debating that enlightens all particpants is an art form that seems to be dying, but that is only my opinion.icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 13, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    bgcat57 saidI'm not always right.
    Sometimes, I'm asleep.


    R O F L !!
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    Feb 14, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    Actually, Mr. Holiday, you are predictably wrong about everything. It's almost embarrassing how often you are wrong.

    Sometimes, we let you think you're right, because if you knew how often you are wrong, you might do something rash.



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    Feb 14, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    Hey, I'll think for the two of us
    since you're Always Wrong.

    (mp3 song file by my band)
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    Feb 16, 2008 7:41 AM GMT
    obscenewish saidActually, Mr. Holiday, you are predictably wrong about everything. It's almost embarrassing how often you are wrong.

    Sometimes, we let you think you're right, because if you knew how often you are wrong, you might do something rash.





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    Feb 16, 2008 8:20 AM GMT
    innerathlete said[quote][cite]iamholiday said[/cite]here are my thoughts on resent things...

    ***in an argument or an opinionated discussion i often hear, "you think you are always right!" this statement has always confounded me!


    Hmmm - well, if there's a pattern of different people telling you that you are one-sided at different times throughout your life, chances are they have a point - it seems that you're getting consistent feedback that you're stubborn and not really open to other points of view. You're the common denominator here, not them. "Prove me I'm wrong!" is really subjective and open to all kinds of interpretation and actually sounds like the kind of exasperating thing someone could say to never back down from a point. Just because it's logical to *you* does not mean it is logical to everyone.

    Not trying to be mean but it feels like you are asking for validation to continue feeling "right" when people in your life are consistently telling you that you have a problem with always feeling entitled to being absolutely "right."
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    no offense taken. enjoy any input.

    the flip side is that that statement can be flipped around to apply to the person who said it. it just seems like and easy way for a weaker party of a debate to try and trump all of the stronger's points...

    **my points may be stronger then yours but they and my stance is invalid because i think they are true. thus making me think I'm right and subsequently "always right."**

    well so does every one else!!

    I'm just going to say this. i am usually a lot better educated, or at least on the topic of debate, then the people i argue with, otherwise i would just shut up and listen. so no, i don't think the fact that i hear this often as a stack of evidence against me. i see it as a stack of evidence that that statement is the way that some people try to imagine their understanding of something is threatened by my materialistic logic.
    it's a "oh yeah? oh yeah? well, you're a doody head!" i may be a doody head or think I'm right, right now, but i still have read several books on the topic and have come across many other resources that support my belief. ehe, whatev. im just going to have to get use to the idea of me being seen as THE GUY THAT ALWAYS THINKS HES RIGHT AND READS BOOKS AND STUFF by people who dont read books and stuff...
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    Feb 16, 2008 8:24 AM GMT
    There's a good expression I heard:

    You can be happy . . . or you can be right.