Continuing fallout from the AZ immigration law...

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    Jul 27, 2010 11:09 PM GMT
    The economic distress for those of us in AZ grows worse, as the AZ Republican party focuses on ugly divisive election year political tricks like the controversial immigration law instead of focusing on getting the AZ economy growing again.

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/119_384/moodys_downgrades_arizona-1014809-1.html

    The new law is driving businesses out of AZ and causing lost tourism dollars and making our economic pain worse, and all the AZ Republicans care about is getting their lame asses reelected.
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    Jul 27, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    But the hotels are doing well.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/27/arizona-hotels-thriving-despite-boycotts-immigration-law/

    Rick - You WILL like THIS story BECAUSE it IS from FOX. LOL
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    Jul 27, 2010 11:28 PM GMT
    No pain, no gain.

    Arizona might just be a place someone would like to locate a business.

    Wonder who would do such a thing when they could set up a multi-ligual shop in the Bronx?
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:17 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 saidThe economic distress for those of us in AZ grows worse, as the AZ Republican party focuses on ugly divisive election year political tricks like the controversial immigration law instead of focusing on getting the AZ economy growing again.

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/119_384/moodys_downgrades_arizona-1014809-1.html

    The new law is driving businesses out of AZ and causing lost tourism dollars and making our economic pain worse, and all the AZ Republicans care about is getting their lame asses reelected.

    Can you please post the entire article? It's behind a registration wall.

    All that people who aren't registered on the site can access:

    Moody’s Investors Service yesterday downgraded Arizona’s issuer credit rating to Aa3 from Aa2 as the state faces continuing financial stress and diminished borrowing capacity.

    I look forward to reading about how "The new law is driving businesses out of AZ and causing lost tourism dollars and making our economic pain worse" in the rest of the article.

    Thanks.




    Here is some proof for you, SB.

    http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/jul/25/many-flee-phoenix-fear-immigration-law/

    http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafinal/2010/05/reports_from_az_tell_of_latino_businesse.html

    Also, I live here and can see it happening with my own eyes.

    And, the fact that Moody's has downgraded Arizona and is predicting AZ will lag behind all or most other states in recovering from the 2007-2009 Bush recession is proof that we do not have leadership here in AZ getting AZ back on the right track economically.
    But, apparently, the Republicans running things here care more about BS election year pandering than the welfare of Arizonans.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:19 AM GMT
    I sorta want to see how this Arizona law pans out. I oppose it mildly, but not enough to really care. It's not like Mexicans CAN'T go to neighboring states where they're practically the majority anyway. I want to know what impact this law has over a long period of time. I guess you could say I want to look at this from an experimentation sort of view. Also, I think American-born Mexicans should immigrate to Arizona just to irritate the racist white people, who will have NO laws to help them discriminate against this group of legal Mexicans.

    Obama shouldn't focus on Arizona. He should focus on providing health care to all and strengthening the economy. He seems like a pissed off lawyer that's diverting from his main job to fix something that's more passionate to him personally, but not necessarily to society in whole.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:21 AM GMT
    Well the cynic in me tells me that if I were a family planning a vacation to, say, Grand Canyon National Park, and had to make reservations at, say, Bright Angel Lodge or the El Tovar Hotel nearly a year in advance....I wouldn't be cancelling that to make a statement about this admittedly stupid, mean-spirited law. So southbeach and others, if you are going to be skeptical about this, I am floored to say I think I agree with you.

    I actually don't believe "calls to boycott" like this actually work. I think a better way to deal with this is to have anyone visiting Arizona who disagree with the law wear some sort of button expressing displeasure. On the other hand, if businesses put signs out that say "We Don't Support This Stupid Law, It's Unconstitutional and Mean-Spirited Anyway"...then I would frequent those.

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 28, 2010 4:38 AM GMT
    All I know is that for the middle of the summer here in Arizona, this place seems bustling with activity -- restaurants are full, hotels are over booked, malls are packed, and as a realtor I've never been busier with out of state clients moving here -- so I'm not sure that things are as bad as the hype-machine might like you to believe.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidIt is not really about the economy here in Arizona. It is about following the law right. Arizona declares itself a "rule of law" state. If you visit Arizona, you'll notice we have so many speed cameras on our highways.




    Haven't you ever heard the saying, "it's the economy, stupid"?

    Personally, I care a Hell of a lot more about having a strong economy than I do about some dumbass law that's not going to work anyway.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 28, 2010 4:49 AM GMT
    rickrick91 said

    Personally, I care a Hell of a lot more about having a strong economy than I do about some dumbass law that's not going to work anyway.


    Pessimism is sooooo boring. You don't know it's not going to work. If it's allowed to actually become law on Thursday, don't be surprised if many other states follow suit. It may not be a perfect law, but it is a start that at the very least had moved immigration reform up the ladder of the American consciousness.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    rickrick91 said

    Personally, I care a Hell of a lot more about having a strong economy than I do about some dumbass law that's not going to work anyway.


    Pessimism is sooooo boring. You don't know it's not going to work. If it's allowed to actually become law on Thursday, don't be surprised if many other states follow suit. It may not be a perfect law, but it is a start that at the very least had moved immigration reform up the ladder of the American consciousness.



    I'm glad it's moved the issue back up the ladder too, but the law has made getting the real (federal) comprehensive immigration reform we need much more difficult to achieve because this new law is so deliberately divisive and inflammatory.

    Now, the right-wingers in Congress have to stick to a hard-line approach that will make it difficult to pass a wide-ranging comprehensive bill that addresses the problem from all angles.
    Just look at the way McCain has been forced to totally flip-flop from his earlier stand on what needs to be done about immigration to the hard-right-wing stance he's taken today.
    In order to try to get reelected.

    Compromise becomes far tougher to achieve when one side enflames the situation the way the Repubs have.
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    Jul 28, 2010 5:27 AM GMT
    McCain flip flops period. Everyone says he's moderate and I say like hell.

    The law has it's good points and bad points. The thing is, they are targeting a group of people that like it or not are vital to the economy. There are plenty of legitimate business that sell to the latino community that will be losing valuable customers (illegal or not) and the effect is going to be felt.

    They say they are trying to keep the crime out, yet they are focusing more on the people already here than in keeping the border secured.I don't care about the people already here, many of whom are just trying to make a decent (legal) living doing shit I and the people I know do not want to do ourselves. I can't tell you the last time I met a white housekeeper.

    The government here has their heads up their asses. I agree with the OP, it's all about pandering to the conservatives to get reelected and it makes me sick.

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    Jul 28, 2010 5:39 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidIt is not really about the economy here in Arizona. It is about following the law right. Arizona declares itself a "rule of law" state. If you visit Arizona, you'll notice we have so many speed cameras on our highways.


    Ironically, one of the sponsors of SB 1070 vehemently opposes the speed camera law (because it violates drivers' privacy). Yes, he's a Republican.
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:04 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    sxydrkhair saidIt is not really about the economy here in Arizona. It is about following the law right. Arizona declares itself a "rule of law" state. If you visit Arizona, you'll notice we have so many speed cameras on our highways.


    Ironically, one of the sponsors of SB 1070 vehemently opposes the speed camera law (because it violates drivers' privacy). Yes, he's a Republican.


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    Jul 28, 2010 6:53 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidThe economic distress for those of us in AZ grows worse, as the AZ Republican party focuses on ugly divisive election year political tricks like the controversial immigration law instead of focusing on getting the AZ economy growing again.

    http://www.bondbuyer.com/issues/119_384/moodys_downgrades_arizona-1014809-1.html

    The new law is driving businesses out of AZ and causing lost tourism dollars and making our economic pain worse, and all the AZ Republicans care about is getting their lame asses reelected.


    Actually from what I have read the boycott has been ineffective. Hotel bookings are up.

    Elton John didn’t mince words in slamming his fellow musicians for boycotting Arizona over the controversial SB 1070 immigration law. From the stage at his sold-out Tucson Arena concert Thursday night, John savored a few choice, not-so-family-friendly words: “We are all very pleased to be playing in Arizona. I have read that some of the artists won’t come here. They are (expletive)wits! Let’s face it: I still play in California, and as a gay man I have no legal rights whatsoever. So what’s the (expletive) with these people?”


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    Jul 28, 2010 2:42 PM GMT
    It's not solely an Arizona issue anymore... it's a Utah issue, it's a Nebraska issue. And no, it's not solely a Republican issue. It's also an issue for Democrats. The reality is that the no-action, cowardly Democrats who sit on the sidelines at the federal level are just as bad as Republicans that support the law in Arizona.

    I read things about experimentation and the like. Sound great from an academic perspective. But we're talking about people lifes. Yes, there are entire families being displaced by fear of the passage of this legislation.

    And in any case, have any of you viewed the training video for the police force who are to enforce this new law? Not speaking proper English is reason to consider a person an illegal. I wonder how this law will be implemented in Miami. And I wonder how implementation of this law makes any sense in a nation whose public schools fail to teach proper English grammar.

    Blaming the nation's economic troubles on illegal immigrants is ill founded. These people are scapegoats simply because they look different, speak differently, and can't vote.

    If anyone wants to rid the country of illegal immigrants go to any agribusiness, poultry company, garment factory, hotel, restaurant, delivery service company, parking company, gardening/landscaping company, maid service company, or babysitter and ask everyone to show papers. It doesn't take a genius to identify illegal aliens. And if they are indeed so "harmful" to the American welfare, go there and escort them out immediately. I wonder how the every day consumer will feel when his/her prices rise enormously and some of his/her usual comforts become burdens.

    The political stance towards immigration is nothing but hypocritical. It's time to cover up the Statue of Liberty with a heavy, heavy quilt.
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    Jul 28, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
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    Elton John didn’t mince words in slamming his fellow musicians for boycotting Arizona over the controversial SB 1070 immigration law. From the stage at his sold-out Tucson Arena concert Thursday night, John savored a few choice, not-so-family-friendly words: “We are all very pleased to be playing in Arizona. I have read that some of the artists won’t come here. They are (expletive)wits! Let’s face it: I still play in California, and as a gay man I have no legal rights whatsoever. So what’s the (expletive) with these people?”




    Elton John is a nitwit.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    I saw another interesting take on SB1070. Like all bits on the impact of the law it is completely speculative, but still an interesting view.

    http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/EJMontini/91233
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM GMT
    I won't comment on the law either way, because the news tends to put whatever spin they want on things.

    Boycotts accomplish nothing other than punishing the go to work every day average people in AZ. Artists refusing to play there doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the politicians. Like any other issue, some favor, some are opposed, and some don't care either way.

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    Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said

    Ironically, one of the sponsors of SB 1070 vehemently opposes the speed camera law (because it violates drivers' privacy). Yes, he's a Republican.


    The boycott won't work, IMHO. On the other hand, the law is going to be found unconstitutional (we had another thread on this) and until that happens, the Arizona courts are going to be overwhelmed with wrongful imprisonment law suits. I am gratified to see that constitutional lawyers generally agree with me about the grounds upon which the law will be overturned: it usurps or duplicates federal authority/law and even if that were not true there is no unambiguous plan to ensure that its implementation will not result in racial profiling (despite the language in the law that forbids that, wink, wink).
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:57 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    rickrick91 saidPersonally, I care a Hell of a lot more about having a strong economy....

    ....except that you support all the Democrat economic policies which are failing to improve the economy.

    So I guess you may "care" about having a strong economy, but you just have no clue as to how to accomplish your goal.

    (Hint: Cut taxes. Get the government out of it's current "regulate and control everything that exists" mode.)



    Except everything you say is the opposite of what is true or should be done.

    Taxes WERE cut (Bush tax cuts and Obama tax cuts). What f*ing taxes are you talking about?

    Every Democratic policy that's been enacted has staved off deepening the depression we're in. And seriously, one third of the "stimulus" was, again, f*ing tax cuts, which yielded nothing in actual stimulus. And that bullshit was a gimme to Republicans, to get them to vote for the stimulus.

    Republicans have obstructed extension of unemployment benefits; recently they failed at that anyway. Still, unemployment has a direct effect on the economy.

    What regulations are preventing the US from recovering? All you've offered are libertarian talking points, outright falsehoods and on top of that an ad hominem attack ("you just have no clue as to accomplish your goal"). How about some actual solutions?
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    dhinkansas said
    Boycotts accomplish nothing other than punishing the go to work every day average people in AZ.


    ...who voted for the nitwits who came up with the law.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    mickeytopogigio said
    . And seriously, one third of the "stimulus" was, again, f*ing tax cuts, which yielded nothing in actual stimulus. And that bullshit was a gimme to Republicans, to get them to vote for the stimulus.


    Exactly. The "no new tax" people (or no "tax" people) just don't want THEIR services cut. They'll cherry-pick what they consider are expendable cuts....but those will never be in the areas they have a vested interest. It's an old story, and it will be repeated again and again.

    It's why I will never vote for a person (again) who has "no new taxes" in their platform. That's libertarian/conservative no-think sloganeering. It is not thoughtful....and it doesn't take into account that there are many services we need and which should be paid for by new taxes.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    viveutvivas said

    ...who voted for the nitwits who came up with the law.


    The same sort of people who landslided in the "tea party" platform in Maine.
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
    I think what everyone is forgetting is that AZ also banned ETHNIC STUDIES courses.

    So please tell me, how is this NOT racially motivated?
  • Timbales

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    Jul 28, 2010 4:53 PM GMT
    I'll boycott Arizona for a decision made by their government as soon as everyone else boycotts California for a decision made by the voters.