The Butch Factor

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    Jul 28, 2010 7:23 AM GMT
    I know this isn't a new documentary, but I just watched it and found it very interesting. It seems a little outdated, like things have continued to change since this was made.

    It made me think of this site and all of us, who really are not the traditional picture of gay men. Judging by everyone here, the trend of assimilation has continued.
    I also wondered if this 'normalization' of a different sexual preference has produced a rising tide of people, feeling the water is safer, coming out and choosing to express their preference more openly.

    It was available to watch for free on the Logo site, but for some reason the link never starts the movie. I watched it on netflix instant watch.

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    Jul 28, 2010 7:27 AM GMT
    hmmm, interesting...
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    Jul 28, 2010 9:32 AM GMT
    Seeing big muscular men making out all tenderly is just the cuuuutest thing icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 28, 2010 9:48 AM GMT
    "Butch"

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    Jul 28, 2010 1:22 PM GMT
    I'm trying to watch it but the vid isn't loading at all... anyone else with the same problem?
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    Jul 28, 2010 1:24 PM GMT
    i tried watching it...
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    Jul 28, 2010 1:26 PM GMT
    I have to tell you, I know some of the guys that are in this video and they are ANYTHING but butch. I laughed so hard at some of them pretending to be "butch" while on camera and knowing that as soon as it was off they grabbed their LV purse and ran out the door to go shopping.....
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    Jul 28, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    I noticed that too...that some of the guys that were supposed to butch...were...a little closer to the 'Dorothy' side than butch.
    What I thought was most interesting was the 'new diversity' they talked about...like one guy said...sexual preference is just one part of a person.
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    Jul 28, 2010 2:19 PM GMT
    amar_m saidSeeing big muscular men making out all tenderly is just the cuuuutest thing icon_biggrin.gif
    "Seeing" them make out is cute.
    "Helping" them make out is funner. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    moscowmikey saidI noticed that too...that some of the guys that were supposed to butch...were...a little closer to the 'Dorothy' side than butch.
    What I thought was most interesting was the 'new diversity' they talked about...like one guy said...sexual preference is just one part of a person.


    I think you kind of missed the point of the movie.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    I didn't care for this documentary, it seemed self indulgent.

    Poorly done, rather directionless documentary with unnatural sounding interviews and seemingly unrelated pieces of footage spliced together for maximum effect (Folsom footage presented completely out of context).

    The director could have done better to focus. In addition, his treatment of overweight, ungroomed men as an ideal confused me to no end.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    amar_m saidSeeing big muscular men making out all tenderly is just the cuuuutest thing icon_biggrin.gif
    So cute and makes me want my own muscle man. Ok off to the gym to gain 30 pounds of muscle....*LOL*.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:51 PM GMT
    Cougarboy saidI didn't care for this documentary, it seemed self indulgent.

    Poorly done, rather directionless documentary with unnatural sounding interviews and seemingly unrelated pieces of footage spliced together for maximum effect (Folsom footage presented completely out of context).

    The director could have done better to focus. In addition, his treatment of overweight, ungroomed men as an ideal confused me to no end.
    I think they were trying to cover a lot of bases in the documentary and as a result may not be the best for a particular category. If I remember, they talked to two guys that were the stereotypical femme type guys and then they talked to muscle guys, bears, jocks, and other types. I actually recognized a bartender on the video from Roscoe's in Chicago.
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    Jul 28, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
    So good for a first try or a premise, but fails badly in execution (like so many gay films).
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    Jul 28, 2010 4:00 PM GMT
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    moscowmikey saidI noticed that too...that some of the guys that were supposed to butch...were...a little closer to the 'Dorothy' side than butch.
    What I thought was most interesting was the 'new diversity' they talked about...like one guy said...sexual preference is just one part of a person.


    I think you kind of missed the point of the movie.



    Wouldn't be the first time....lol icon_smile.gif
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    Jul 28, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
    I don't think we missed the point, but we are able to point out that some of the guys that were portrayed as "butch" were anything but butch. You can't just self proclaim that you are butch. Butch has a definition you know?
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:40 PM GMT
    moscowmikey said
    MonkeyPuck said
    moscowmikey saidI noticed that too...that some of the guys that were supposed to butch...were...a little closer to the 'Dorothy' side than butch.
    What I thought was most interesting was the 'new diversity' they talked about...like one guy said...sexual preference is just one part of a person.


    I think you kind of missed the point of the movie.



    Wouldn't be the first time....lol icon_smile.gif


    to be fair, the movie was kind of muddled.
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    jjdayz saidI don't think we missed the point, but we are able to point out that some of the guys that were portrayed as "butch" were anything but butch. You can't just self proclaim that you are butch. Butch has a definition you know?


    The movie talked about how masculinity/being butch is not a set thing but rather something that has changed based on culture and time and how it is as much defined by the individual as it is society.

    Personally I think anyone who spends time contemplating either their or another's masculinity has some issues with insecurity. Be who you are rather than try to be some societal construct.
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:56 PM GMT
    Cougarboy saidI didn't care for this documentary, it seemed self indulgent.

    Poorly done, rather directionless documentary with unnatural sounding interviews and seemingly unrelated pieces of footage spliced together for maximum effect (Folsom footage presented completely out of context).

    The director could have done better to focus. In addition, his treatment of overweight, ungroomed men as an ideal confused me to no end.


    I agree with you
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    Jul 28, 2010 6:57 PM GMT
    MonkeyPuck said
    jjdayz saidI don't think we missed the point, but we are able to point out that some of the guys that were portrayed as "butch" were anything but butch. You can't just self proclaim that you are butch. Butch has a definition you know?


    The movie talked about how masculinity/being butch is not a set thing but rather something that has changed based on culture and time and how it is as much defined by the individual as it is society.

    Personally I think anyone who spends time contemplating either their or another's masculinity has some issues with insecurity. Be who you are rather than try to be some societal construct.


    And yet about 95% or so of gay men do this exact contemplating
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    Jul 28, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
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    MonkeyPuck said
    jjdayz saidI don't think we missed the point, but we are able to point out that some of the guys that were portrayed as "butch" were anything but butch. You can't just self proclaim that you are butch. Butch has a definition you know?


    The movie talked about how masculinity/being butch is not a set thing but rather something that has changed based on culture and time and how it is as much defined by the individual as it is society.

    Personally I think anyone who spends time contemplating either their or another's masculinity has some issues with insecurity. Be who you are rather than try to be some societal construct.


    And yet about 95% or so of gay men do this exact contemplating


    I would be willing to wager the same number of straight men do as well. Note that I said "anyone" and not just gay men. When it comes to accusing people of insecurity I am all about equal opportunity and don't discriminate based on sexual orientation.
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    Jul 28, 2010 7:07 PM GMT
    The thing that think is interesting, and was hinted at in the movie obliquely was that since there is, I think, a new sense that being gay can mean a great number of things, and increasingly, at least in popular culture, it is masculine and sexy.
    Maybe one day people will stop saying.."Well, you don't look or act gay."
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    Jul 28, 2010 7:20 PM GMT
    moscowmikey saidThe thing that think is interesting, and was hinted at in the movie obliquely was that since there is, I think, a new sense that being gay can mean a great number of things, and increasingly, at least in popular culture, it is masculine and sexy.
    Maybe one day people will stop saying.."Well, you don't look or act gay."


    They hinted at a cure for stupid in the movie? I missed that part. icon_smile.gif