Democrats need to grow a pair.. From a fellow democrat

  • Runningonempt...

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    Jul 30, 2010 5:23 AM GMT
    sometimes i hear the silliest things on the tv and then i belt out some mildly coherent rant about politics.

    to be clear, i think democrats need to grow balls and put up or shut up, republicans need to stop being selfish crybabies, and the media needs to learn a new set of vocabulary words & actually report real political news... but how? how can that happen in a society where the big companies control the media and cutely blame the "liberals" for everything.

    republicans want less government control on big business so humans become resources and slave wages are the norm. democrats want more government control, in the interest of protecting things like people and the gulf of mexico. republicans represent big business, big business owns the media. yet, whenever media is concerned or criticized, it is always done as if the media were a tool of the democrats, the ones who believe in government enforced social protections against things like big business (which is ALWAYS corrupt, might i add).

    moving on.

    there is a difference between "jobs," "jobs i want," "jobs i can get," and "jobs that pay my bills."

    to everyone touting the idea that government hampers job creation and plays no role in it: without government intervention/interference you are a slave to the company you work for. ask the coal miners of yesteryear who worked 12 hours a day 7 days a week and died of black lung much before their time. (and although i have no reference cited, yes, it was 12 full hours every day of the week. look it up. and then cross reference your findings.)

    and in case you think "oh well what stopped those horrible working conditions was the formation of unions, not the government," well, you are right. but no one these days can wrap their head around why unions are a VERY good thing (other than tenured teachers, actors and athletes), so therefore the government is the only thing left to intervene on behalf of the working man and protect things like fair break times, fair wages, fair medical leaves and compensations, fair pensions.... wait, what the hell is a pension? they haven't existed since the 80s. and likely you lost yours if you had one. pity. it's all the democrats fault, right? why of course, cause that's what fox news says.

    and to be even more fair, the only reason social security doesn't work is because of the tax cap placed on it. over 107k earned a year (or so) you don't pay social security tax. so if you make 600k a year, 493k is not taxed for social security. think of all that money! and please, if you make 600k a year, shut the FUCK up about paying too much in taxes, you whiney little bitch. some of us can't afford to go the doctor but you can hire a lobbyist to get a few more pennies out of your paycheck. you are the reason god made hell, to put your rotten ass after you're dead.

    anyhow, the only people championing the dissolving of this VERY essential program, social security, are those who think that government is bad, the republicans, the same group of people who blame all problems on the democrats even though they are the only group to pull stunts like what they just did with healthcare and renewing emergency unemployment compensation. spoiled whiney brats, hellbent on making obama as ineffective as possible because not only is he liberal, but he's black, and therefore he is the embodiment of all things bad, like terrorism, spending money, and eloquent speech.

    i digress.

    i find it tragic how many people want-want-want their freedom-freedom-freedom but agree with those who will only ever grant you the freedom to be miserable, poor, uneducated, and fucked by your particularly small government of rich bastards. i'd would rather live a great life with a reasonably limited amount of freedom (like in western european countries) than be totally free (which is, in truth, anarchy) and completely miserable with hiv, a peg leg, and a job that pays 5 dollars an hour and makes me work 7 days a week, rotten teeth, no education, think creationism is science, etc.

    if you want 50 states doing 50 different things because that's "how we'll find the best way," well while 49 states are going to suck balls, 1 state will do it perfectly. and now you are too poor to move to that afforemention 1, likely blue, state. you are uneducated because of your small government, you have no job protection because of your small government, you have no social security, no unemployment, hardly any rights at all other than you are "free"... to wallow in misery and live a horrible wretched life while those you elect live comfortably and have what they want. so yes, if that sounds good to you, go ahead, align yourself with the current republican party and vote however they tell you. that's what you'll get. i promise you.

    don't believe me? just check out statistics on level of education attained, high school pregnancy rates, average wage, things like that... do a comparison of typically red states vs typically blue states. and if you don't like what you see, don't get in my face about it because i burst your little bubble.
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    Jul 30, 2010 5:45 AM GMT
    That post is full of truth.

    The rich and powerful grow ever more rich and powerful and it seems like there's nothing we the people can do to stop it.
    And, if we get more corprate tool Republicans elected to Congress this Nov. - siding with the rich and the big corporations - it'll be impossible to get anything done at all.
    It will be total gridlock.

    The American people have to wake up and realize that voting Republican or not voting at all, is like handing over control of everything to big business and the rich and accepting an ever declining quality of life.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 30, 2010 8:13 AM GMT
    That's one of the best speeches I've ever read !

    The Democratic party should take every word of it and run TV campaign ads featuring a different paragraph every day.
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    Jul 30, 2010 11:35 AM GMT
    I think I'm in love. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jul 30, 2010 12:33 PM GMT
    Wow, thanks for posting this.
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    Jul 30, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
    right on, guy....my favorite recently during the "healthcare debate" was the right wing nut job teabaggers (btw, who's name ruins a perfectly good activity for me) were holding up signs reading "...government hands off my healthcare"....hmmm..what exactly do they think medicare is? When they hit 65 will they not open their arms to "government run" healthcare....
    The thing that these whack jobs don't get is...they are so stupid that they're out there supporting the rich mucky-mucks and corporations..who want to keep them under educated, under paid, and under their thumb....they are out there screaming against their own self-interest...and they just don't get it...
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jul 30, 2010 1:31 PM GMT
    rickrick91 said
    And, if we get more corprate tool Republicans elected to Congress this Nov. - siding with the rich and the big corporations - it'll be impossible to get anything done at all.
    It will be total gridlock.

    The American people have to wake up and realize that voting Republican or not voting at all, is like handing over control of everything to big business and the rich and accepting an ever declining quality of life.


    Truth be told, Republicans hardly have a lock on "siding with the rich and the big corporations". As for Americans waking up...Oh, I think they've gotten a great BIG wakeup call in the past 20 months -- that being that no one man, no one President, no one administration can swoop in on their white horse, wave some sort of magic wand, and cure the ills of the world, nor can they be held responsible for causing all of them. That being said, I think when Americans vote this fall in the mid-terms, and definitely in 2012, they will do so with a little bit more realistic expectations than perhaps many did in 2008 who were caught up in all the hype and hoopla of the "Change We Can Believe In" fantasy.
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Jul 30, 2010 1:49 PM GMT
    My man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!
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    Jul 30, 2010 1:58 PM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidMy man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!


    This made America sit up and take notice. It's going to go a very long way for the Dems, and for real Americans. It's about time someone did this, and who better than Mr. Weiner? Kudos. Well done. Republicans are shaking in their shoes, I can assure you.
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    jlly_rnchr saidMy man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!


    This made America sit up and take notice. It's going to go a very long way for the Dems, and for real Americans. It's about time someone did this, and who better than Mr. Weiner? Kudos. Well done. Republicans are shaking in their shoes, I can assure you.


    oh shit. this guy is fun. i like him
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    Jul 30, 2010 2:06 PM GMT
    jlly_rnchr saidMy man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!


    It's funny but he used to be my congressman before I moved to Park Slope. And, I was in line with him for the Acela from NYC to DC yesterday prior to him giving this speech. Had I know what he was planning to do, I would have preemptively congratulated him.
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    Jul 30, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    I love him. Do you think he would date me? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Freedom: this is RHETORIC. It is anti communist rhetoric, the remnant of a past age, and yet it still shapes too much of the American dream space. YOU ARE NOT FREE. Let that sink in.

    AMERICANS ARE NOT FREE.

    I know you like to think you are, but no-one is free to do exactly what they want without government interference. Try playing hard house very loud 24 hours a day for a week. You are not free to do whatever you want. Get used to it. And when your understanding of "freedom" is buying a gas guzzling car, going to the mall, eating crap and not having to pay for other people´s health care you trivialize the concept. I am embarrassed for you.

    I like this too

    "please, if you make 600k a year, shut the FUCK up about paying too much in taxes, you whiney little bitch. some of us can't afford to go the doctor but you can hire a lobbyist to get a few more pennies out of your paycheck"

    What has happened in the USA since Obama is ugly and petty. It has destroyed the right. It has replaced them with a fearful "left" which won´t stand up for itself.

    geh.

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    Jul 30, 2010 2:37 PM GMT
    This has been my biggest complaint about Obama, although I have to give him credit for relentlessly pushing for health care and Wall Street reform. But, now that businesses have unfettered ability to contribute to political parties and candidates, it will be up to the masses to help fund the Democrats with their $25 and $50 donations. And, don't forget to vote, this fall. Don't believe all of the crap on cable news about mid-term elections. If Democrats acquiesce to the pundits who say that conservatives are a shoe-in, this November, they have only their selves to blame when they decide not to vote because it's a "lost cause."
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    Jul 30, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    Other than rhetoric, there is little difference between Democrats and Republicans. Once in power, their first priority will always be to reward the corporations that put them there. This is the real reason why Democrats seem spineless; namely, that their rhetoric is different from their principles. Their principles are to reward their big donors, and they certainly follow those principles well. Those who think they just don't have the spine to follow through on their principles either misunderstand their principles or are engaging in wishful thinking.
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    Jul 30, 2010 2:49 PM GMT
    ruck_us saidalthough I have to give him credit for relentlessly pushing for health care and Wall Street reform.


    Both so watered down to try and be "bipartisan" (which is impossible with the Party of NO) that they were mocked by the right wing media in europe.

    and I think I agree with Vive: the democrats are the american Right. There is no left in the USA and the republicans are a joke.
  • Runningonempt...

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    Jul 30, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
    I'm happy so many are enjoying my rants
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    we all have crushes on you
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    ruck_us saidalthough I have to give him credit for relentlessly pushing for health care and Wall Street reform.


    Both so watered down to try and be "bipartisan" (which is impossible with the Party of NO) that they were mocked by the right wing media in europe.

    and I think I agree with Vive: the democrats are the american Right. There is no left in the USA and the republicans are a joke.


    Good points. I am amazed, though, that anything at all was accomplished on these fronts. I'd also argue that Dems lie more toward the center, but both parties are beholden to big business. Thus, the Dems don't want to piss off entities like the US Chamber of Commerce, which could jeopardize donations.
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    Lostboy said
    ruck_us saidalthough I have to give him credit for relentlessly pushing for health care and Wall Street reform.


    Both so watered down to try and be "bipartisan" (which is impossible with the Party of NO) that they were mocked by the right wing media in europe.

    and I think I agree with Vive: the democrats are the american Right. There is no left in the USA and the republicans are a joke.


    i sadly agree with this. politics in this country are so odd, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. icon_cry.gif
  • mustangd

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    Jul 30, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    thank you for this thread. its a shame this message can't be shouted and repeated in the way "faux news" hammers away at their corporate agenda.

    the progression is plain to see if you look at history. republicans USED to be a true party of conservatives with a pro-business bias. but after world war 2, when huge increases in corporate america due to wartime production resulted in a new player with new muscles in america, the military industrial complex was born. they resolved not to lose their influence, and face it unions, the UAW for example had gained great power due to the huge demands of post ww2. couple that with the high tax rate on the wealthiest americans, and you have the recipe for an agenda to gain a contolling influence in DC. further add to that the poor performance of the stock market for decades, and you see how an agenda came into play that results in where we are today. bust up the unions, not just restore balance, but, bust them up. lower the tax rates, not just lower them but make them permanently lower, the history of the tax code shows how the rates have changed over the years responding to americas needs, crisis's, from as high as 92%. now these corporate puppet masters want a flat tax, permanent. the only way to do that is to bust up the entitlements. stock market not performing well enough, lets rig the game, lets create paper resources like derivatives. add to that we have seen some really POOR corporate leaders, and business managers, who have been either very corrupt or incompetent. how to make that right? make the consumer pay for it, how did they do that? de-regulate, put everything in the market place.

    of course gaining control of the media was critical, you have to sell this agenda, so people will buy it, faux news is the poster child for this agenda.

    this movement has had huge success, largely due to the profits reaped and poured back into buying more political and judicial influence. the problem is, just like the unions, that gained too much influence, this movement is now drunk with power, and only see's acquiring more power as its goal. they have formed a parasite like control of our government. what happens when you try to remove a parasite? it resists dramatically, and will damage the host organism.

    what this military industrial complex/modern corporate america hasn't realized in their move to control and fuel their own agenda, is that, much like a parasite, when they have feasted to the point of killing the host, the parasite falls off and dies to. unless they think they will find a new host organism in china. which i believe is foolish, china is a completely different ball game. their governent will never tolerate the kind of control we let happen here in america.

    thanks again for this thread, i just wish more people could hear this message.
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    mustangd saidthank you for this thread. its a shame this message can't be shouted and repeated in the way "faux news" hammers away at their corporate agenda.

    the progression is plain to see if you look at history. republicans USED to be a true party of conservatives with a pro-business bias. but after world war 2, when huge increases in corporate america due to wartime production resulted in a new player with new muscles in america, the military industrial complex was born. they resolved not to lose their influence, and face it unions, the UAW for example had gained great power due to the huge demands of post ww2. couple that with the high tax rate on the wealthiest americans, and you have the recipe for an agenda to gain a contolling influence in DC. further add to that the poor performance of the stock market for decades, and you see how an agenda came into play that results in where we are today. bust up the unions, not just restore balance, but, bust them up. lower the tax rates, not just lower them but make them permanently lower, the history of the tax code shows how the rates have changed over the years responding to americas needs, crisis's, from as high as 92%. now these corporate puppet masters want a flat tax, permanent. the only way to do that is to bust up the entitlements. stock market not performing well enough, lets rig the game, lets create paper resources like derivatives. add to that we have seen some really POOR corporate leaders, and business managers, who have been either very corrupt or incompetent. how to make that right? make the consumer pay for it, how did they do that? de-regulate, put everything in the market place.

    of course gaining control of the media was critical, you have to sell this agenda, so people will buy it, faux news is the poster child for this agenda.

    this movement has had huge success, largely due to the profits reaped and poured back into buying more political and judicial influence. the problem is, just like the unions, that gained too much influence, this movement is now drunk with power, and only see's acquiring more power as its goal. they have formed a parasite like control of our government. what happens when you try to remove a parasite? it resists dramatically, and will damage the host organism.

    what this military industrial complex/modern corporate america hasn't realized in their move to control and fuel their own agenda, is that, much like a parasite, when they have feasted to the point of killing the host, the parasite falls off and dies to. unless they think they will find a new host organism in china. which i believe is foolish, china is a completely different ball game. their governent will never tolerate the kind of control we let happen here in america.

    thanks again for this thread, i just wish more people could hear this message.


    Again, this.
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    Jul 30, 2010 4:07 PM GMT
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    jlly_rnchr saidMy man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!


    It's funny but he used to be my congressman before I moved to Park Slope. And, I was in line with him for the Acela from NYC to DC yesterday prior to him giving this speech. Had I know what he was planning to do, I would have preemptively congratulated him.



    if played on mute it looks exactly as when my 6 yr old best friend's brother starts to throw a temper tantrum because his parents didn't let him go see some tween movie without a chaperone.
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    if played on mute it looks exactly as when my 6 yr old best friend's brother starts to throw a temper tantrum because his parents didn't let him go see some tween movie without a chaperone.


    Which is why grown ups listen with the sound on. I doubt you are "new" here.
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    Jul 30, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    ruck_us said
    I'd also argue that Dems lie more toward the center, but both parties are beholden to big business. Thus, the Dems don't want to piss off entities like the US Chamber of Commerce, which could jeopardize donations.


    Dems are center right. The health care bill (good that SOMETHING passed) was very right wing: srsly, everyone has to have private insurance. how more right wing can you get?
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    Christian73 said
    jlly_rnchr saidMy man Anthony Weiner does not need to grow a set! This flip-out is so called for!



    A real life "Mad As Hell" moment!


    It's funny but he used to be my congressman before I moved to Park Slope. And, I was in line with him for the Acela from NYC to DC yesterday prior to him giving this speech. Had I know what he was planning to do, I would have preemptively congratulated him.



    if played on mute it looks exactly as when my 6 yr old best friend's brother starts to throw a temper tantrum because his parents didn't let him go see some tween movie without a chaperone.


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