Amazing. How many (er, few) licks before the usual suspects turn to demonizing Israel?
roadbikerob> pursue a one nation solution where both Israelis and Palestinians are equal citizens
Arabs and Jews are already equal citizens in Israel. Israeli Arabs (20% of the population) are full citizens with equal protection under the law. Indeed, Israeli Arabs have more rights, freedoms and liberties, as well as a higher standard of living and better quality of life, than Arabs living in neighboring Arab countries (indeed, all Arab countries if we exclude the financial wealth of a few tiny oil sheikdoms). This is why rather than sneak out of Israel, Arabs try to sneak IN.
Israeli Arabs not only vote but serve in the Knesset (parliament) and as ministers in the ruling government coalition. They serve in the foreign office, including as ambassadors to other countries. They serve in the judiciary, including as justices on the High (supreme) Court - the only such court in the middle east, where an Arab citizen can sue his own government, live to tell about it, and win or lose the case based only on its legal merits. Israeli Arabs even serve in the IDF, the Israeli Defense Forces, achieving ranks as high as Generals while defending their country.
In other words, RBR's statement is akin to saying that there must be a one-state solution incorporating the USA & China (assuming they were adjacent) as one nation so that Chinese people can be free. I think we all realize how briefly this "one-state solution" would remain democratic and what would happen to our rights and liberties.
The majority of Israelis and the majority of Palestinian Arabs do not support the so-called "one state solution". Both people wish to have their own self-determination. Just as was true with the Czechs and the Slovakians. Just as is true with Canada being distinct from the USA.
If the Palestinian Arabs don't wish their own state, then the disputed territories can again become part of Egypt and Jordan, as they were between 1949-1967.
Isn't it odd how for 40 years we've heard how the Palestinian Arabs require their own self-determination? Funny not only because this wasn't heard prior to 1967, but because as soon as it appeared that this could be realized without Israel's destruction... it was shelved? Yet if Palestinian Arab self-determination isn't necessary, then why not have Egypt rule Gaza (again) and Judea & Samaria resume as the "West Bank" of Jordan?
Unless, of course, the real motivation of the "one state solution" is the elimination of Israel, the Jewish state?
sxydrkhair> Gay Palestinians
It is simply mind-boggling that samxr, again, advances the misinformation that it is "legal to be gay in Palestine". First it's odd that he takes pride that Jordan decriminalized homosexuality (when it abandoned a bunch of British era laws, not as part of a gay rights movement). More importantly, gays in the areas under PA & Hamas rule have NO legal protections
, as was discussed in this topic (and many before that):Countries that support gays or kill themhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/984797The fact of the matter is that gay Palestinian Arabs flee to Israel for freedom and safety.
sxydrkhair> Justice now! End the Israeli Apartheid!
Not only do we see that samxr can't engage in intelligent debate beyond endlessly spamming the same soundbites and slogans, but that in a topic about "Gay Palestinians" he is more concerned with bashing Israel (not ending a non-existing "apartheid", but fighting to end Israel).
Peace certainly won't come while gay Palestinian Arabs hate the Jews/Israel more than they love or care for their Arab brethren (including their gay brothers an d sisters).