Laugh or Cry? Newt Gingrich Calls for Two More Wars.

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    Jul 31, 2010 1:15 AM GMT

    Sometimes I genuinely believe that whatever leading lights the G.O.P. had have become completely deranged. Like when I read this:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/30/newt-gingrich-suggests-at_n_665063.html

    Newt (a.k.a. The Retread) is genuinely calling for war against North Korea and Iran. What part of bankrupt does he not understand? The financial part? Or the moral part? Or both?

    I suspect that many members of his own party wish that Newt would busy himself with another extramarital affair (or three) and quit his bizarre ramblings in the press.
  • Webster666

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    Jul 31, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    Newty is the only Republican who scares me.
    He's a very convincing speaker.
    He's talking about running for President.
    And, he could win.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    no, he couldn't. don't speak something like into being.
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    Jul 31, 2010 5:56 AM GMT
    Logistically, aren't our soldiers and military resources already strechted to the limit? This isn't WWII--our country has not turned into a war-making factory.

    He's trying to appease his base--those conservatives who are bent on "national security" and say "America is #1."
  • GQjock

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    Jul 31, 2010 11:05 AM GMT
    Deranged and a republican?

    Those two words have come to mean the very same thing
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    Jul 31, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
    OP, You seem more concerned about money behind the war machine than you do the lives of our soldiers. I'm sure this is an oversight on your part.

    Newt calls for war and overlooks the same thing you do. Soldiers are not pawns.
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    Jul 31, 2010 12:44 PM GMT
    reppaT saidOP, You seem more concerned about money behind the war machine than you do the lives of our soldiers. I'm sure this is an oversight on your part.

    Newt calls for war and overlooks the same thing you do. Soldiers are not pawns.


    For the record, putting soldiers (and others) in harms way - unless it absolutely necessary for national survival - is part of what I would call 'moral bankruptcy'.
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    Jul 31, 2010 12:54 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidNewty is the only Republican who scares me.
    He's a very convincing speaker.
    He's talking about running for President.
    And, he could win.


    He's the ONLY Republican that scares you? The crazy Repubs are coming out of the woodwork nowadays.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:07 PM GMT
    Independent here.... so please, no bullets from the right or the left.

    I am not for starting another war, but his point is actually a good one and should be considered. If you think something is worthy of time and resources, then you should not only do it part way.

    It is true that in WWII it would have done us no good to take out Germany and do nothing about Japan and Italy. It was an interesting parallel.

    We have a lot of great examples of it today. We create finance "reform" with no additional oversight of organizations like Freddie Mac/Mae. We have healthcare "reform" with no real cost cutting plan (should really be called insurance reform). We have a bailout that is putting a lot of dollars in someones pockets, but not creating any new jobs... the assumed real goal of the program.

    Everything we are doing these days seems to be to get the political brownie points without having to actually upset the apple cart.

    If you ask me... that is the "moral backruptcy" that we face.

    Just my thoughts.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM GMT
    Its people like him that make me disgusted to say "I'm an American"... Crazy GOP members, please get sterilized...
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
    Oh don't get your panties in a bunch... everyone knows better than to take him or his whack-ass ideas seriously. He's a joke.... so laugh.
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    Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM GMT
    in2pecs said
    I am not for starting another war, but his point is actually a good one and should be considered. If you think something is worthy of time and resources, then you should not only do it part way.

    It is true that in WWII it would have done us no good to take out Germany and do nothing about Japan and Italy. It was an interesting parallel.


    The problem here is in the proposed response to the problem, not the identification of the problem. Yeah, we should not be tied up in an unnecessary war in Iraq and we should learn from the russians about fighting in Afganistan.

    In situations like this wars DO NOT work. Period. That's what makes him so scary. Wars now serve to funnel money to contractors.

    in2pecs said
    We have a lot of great examples of it today. We create finance "reform" with no additional oversight of organizations like Freddie Mac/Mae.


    As an independent, can you tell me what sort of oversight was missing from Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, what that caused, and what sort of changes need to be put in place? Because to be honest, when I dig into this, the majority of what;'s being said about these companies is political propaganda directed at services for people who are less well off.


    in2pecs said We have healthcare "reform" with no real cost cutting plan (should really be called insurance reform). We have a bailout that is putting a lot of dollars in someones pockets, but not creating any new jobs... the assumed real goal of the program.


    Agreed.

  • cowboyathlete

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    Jul 31, 2010 1:47 PM GMT
    GQjock saidDeranged and a republican?

    Those two words have come to mean the very same thing
    So true!!!
  • rnch

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    Jul 31, 2010 2:42 PM GMT
    aren't we (USA) fighting ENOUGH useless, foreign wars that we can't afford to pay for? icon_rolleyes.gif
  • Kinneticbrian

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    Jul 31, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    Newt Gingrich is a jerk and a joke (an unfunny one). He is trying so hard to be relevant, but is the epitome of everything wrong with DC and the Republican Party rolled into one. I can't stand him.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jul 31, 2010 3:19 PM GMT
    Newt Gingrich is either naive or hopelessly brainless for calling for two more costly wars against Iran and North Korea. We cannot afford the two current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and our country is trillions of dollars in debt. Mr. Gingrich is in desparate need of a bigtime reality check. What planet has this republican been living on for the past decade.
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    Jul 31, 2010 4:47 PM GMT
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    Webster666 saidNewty is the only Republican who scares me.
    He's a very convincing speaker.
    He's talking about running for President.
    And, he could win.


    How soon you forget the prospect of a Palin presidency. That would likely scare the great Webster-the-Devil too!


    Wouldn't it scare you, too? She's horrifically unqualified for the job.
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    Jul 31, 2010 4:49 PM GMT
    OtterJoq said
    southbeach1500 said
    Webster666 saidNewty is the only Republican who scares me.
    He's a very convincing speaker.
    He's talking about running for President.
    And, he could win.


    How soon you forget the prospect of a Palin presidency. That would likely scare the great Webster-the-Devil too!


    Wouldn't it scare you, too? She's horrifically unqualified for the job.



    Lets just forget it.. no real reason to give the Palin woman any real credibility.
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    Jul 31, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    rnch saidaren't we (USA) fighting ENOUGH useless, foreign wars that we can't afford to pay for? icon_rolleyes.gif


    so what's one or two more? icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 31, 2010 4:51 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    Webster666 saidNewty is the only Republican who scares me.
    He's a very convincing speaker.
    He's talking about running for President.
    And, he could win.


    How soon you forget the prospect of a Palin presidency. That would likely scare the great Webster-the-Devil too!


    Wouldn't it scare you, too? She's horrifically unqualified for the job.


    that only means that she's perfectly qualified to some people icon_razz.gif
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    Jul 31, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    Hey Gregography,

    Thanks for the comments.

    A couple of things. First, did Newt ever say he thought we should attack Iran and N Korea? I know that Huffington Post made that comment, but that was not in quotes. I watched the two videos that were attached to the post article and he NEVER says those words. So my first comment would be that he is being castigated for something that was inferred from his comments. And as often is the case, we will jump on the bandwagon.

    What he did say, was that when we (Americans) have a problem, we should look at the options and come up with a solution that is at least as big (read that as responsive) as the problem itself. For example, you do not set out to do health reform and focus only on how you are going to squeeze the insurance carriers.

    So if war was our response to the threat of the "axis of evil," then we should have gone all the way and not just after Iraq.

    As far a Freddie and Fannie.... the government gave them carte blanche long ago to offer gauranteed backed mortgages to many people that had no possible way of paying them back. Then, they were allowed to group them with good loans and create all of these very complicated derivatives that were impossible to fully understand and further fueled the "bubble". None of the regulations imposed so far exclude this practice in the future. Additionally, I am not aware of any additional regulations over these institutions.

    I do not blame "a" party for these. They were both complicite. Wherever the practice started (although it does point to the Clinton era), the democrats and republicans both knew wha was happening and neither tried to stop it. Once again, it looked too good on the campaign trail. Back to my comment that is where we become morally questionable.

    I am not sure that will change your thinking on any of this, but did want to elaborate on where I was going with my post.




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    Jul 31, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
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    HndsmKansan saidLets just forget it.. no real reason to give the Palin woman any real credibility.

    Except that if the election were held today, she would probably beat Mr. Obama.


    Not if that mean old Katie Couric got the chance to ambush Palin with another "gotcha" question like "What magazines and newspapers do you read?"

    Damn that liberal media!icon_rolleyes.gif
  • rnch

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    Jul 31, 2010 7:10 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    HndsmKansan saidLets just forget it.. no real reason to give the Palin woman any real credibility.

    Except that if the election were held today, she would probably beat Mr. Obama.


    SB, if you really and trully, in your "heart of hearts" believe this....then you are even more deluded than i thought. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • rnch

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    Jul 31, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
    one of the reasons i did not vote for old man johnny mac for President was the fear that his idiot vice-presidential candidate might become POTUS if he died in office. icon_eek.gif
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    Jul 31, 2010 7:44 PM GMT
    in2pecs saidHey Gregography,

    Thanks for the comments.

    A couple of things. First, did Newt ever say he thought we should attack Iran and N Korea? I know that Huffington Post made that comment, but that was not in quotes. I watched the two videos that were attached to the post article and he NEVER says those words. So my first comment would be that he is being castigated for something that was inferred from his comments. And as often is the case, we will jump on the bandwagon.

    What he did say, was that when we (Americans) have a problem, we should look at the options and come up with a solution that is at least as big (read that as responsive) as the problem itself. For example, you do not set out to do health reform and focus only on how you are going to squeeze the insurance carriers.

    So if war was our response to the threat of the "axis of evil," then we should have gone all the way and not just after Iraq.


    So he says that Iran and Korea are equal threats to Iraq, and we should have instigated military action against them, not just against Iraq, but now since he doesn't say "WE SHOULD INVADE" that he's being treated unfairly by people who say he's implying we still need to have military action against the other two? Sorry, that just doesn't make sense.

    And again, sorry, if you think that this first version of the healthcare bill is in any way a squeeze on insurance companies then you're not paying attention. Go back and look - mandates that people buy insurance and that people can't be turned down, but it doesn't set any limits on what the insurance companies can charge. Think that one through.

    in2pecs saidAs far a Freddie and Fannie.... the government gave them carte blanche long ago to offer gauranteed backed mortgages to many people that had no possible way of paying them back. Then, they were allowed to group them with good loans and create all of these very complicated derivatives that were impossible to fully understand and further fueled the "bubble". None of the regulations imposed so far exclude this practice in the future. Additionally, I am not aware of any additional regulations over these institutions.


    This is incorrect and really is repeating fox news lies. Here's some actual facts:

    http://useconomy.about.com/od/criticalssues/a/Fannie_Cause.htm

    Had there been reasonable regulations on the highly risky mortgage backed securities there would have been less fraud in giving loans to unqualified buyers but even with the same percentage of bad loans it was the collapse of the house of cards of the mortgage-backed securities market that caused this mess, not that some relatively small number of people didn't pay their lmortgage payments.

    This stuff is complicated, but I think if you're going to make comments about what happened and who was responsible you need to at least do some minimal research.