BP reports the "static kill" appears to have stopped the flow of oil

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    Aug 04, 2010 7:36 AM GMT
    Months after the explosion and sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, BP reports that the "static kill" (pumping special drilling mud into the well's relief manifold and two additional relief wells, thereby forcing the oil back down into the seabed) is successfully pushing oil back into the ocean floor.


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10862893

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    Aug 04, 2010 3:23 PM GMT
    As it turns out....
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/science/earth/04oil.html?_r=1&hp

    From the New York Times:
    "The government is expected to announce on Wednesday that three-quarters of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon leak has already evaporated, dispersed, been captured or otherwise eliminated — and that much of the rest is so diluted that it does not seem to pose much additional risk of harm."

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    Aug 04, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
    Cautiously optimistic.
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    riddler78 saidAs it turns out....
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/science/earth/04oil.html?_r=1&hp

    From the New York Times:
    "The government is expected to announce on Wednesday that three-quarters of the oil from the Deepwater Horizon leak has already evaporated, dispersed, been captured or otherwise eliminated — and that much of the rest is so diluted that it does not seem to pose much additional risk of harm."

    (Read the whole thing for more)


    bullshit!

    It's underwater they dispersed it so it wouldn't float, and oil doesn't evaporate. Just you guys wait, a hurricane will go through the gulf and throw oil all over the coast... and then people will be sorry
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    Aug 04, 2010 4:22 PM GMT
    Millions of litres of oil just evaporated or dispersed my ass.

    What else are they supposed to say to keep drilling blindly, though? I don't trust a word of it because their motives are clear enough.
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    Aug 04, 2010 4:24 PM GMT
    Oh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.
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    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.


    fuck you man, it's our planet... and they allowed one of the worst episodes of pollution to happen ever because they couldnt spend the money to keep their safety equipment up to date... killing thousands of animals and ruining the ecosystem along the coast.

    Why don't you go get a nose job or something.
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    Progress said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.


    fuck you man, it's our planet... and they allowed one of the worst episodes of pollution to happen ever because they couldnt spend the money to keep their safety equipment up to date... killing thousands of animals and ruining the ecosystem along the coast.

    Why don't you go get a nose job or something.


    I may have taken you seriously, babyface, until you started with the queeny diatribe.

    And the irony in your insult certainly wasn't lost on me.

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    Aug 04, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.
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    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.


    Well, aren't you an asshat. I guess being upset about the environmental catastrophy and livelihoods destroyed because bp couldn't run a rig correctly is being whiny now.

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    Aug 04, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
    RamWX said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.


    Now this I will respond to semi-sophisticatedly.

    Maybe I don't understand the scale of the "devestation".

    I do, however, understand the power of the media.

    And media scares and witch hunts are all too common in this country.

    And the response to this whole issue is verging upon hysteria. With (I assume) non-qualified laymen making assumptions as to what is and isn't possible in nature ("like hell it will fuckin evaporate, where's the remote control" etc).

    I'll also be the first to admit that there's a mildly unpleasant vein of patriotism influencing my decision to defend BP. I know diddly squat about the whole thing, really.

    But, possibly, just marginally less than those who have very strong opinions on the matter (= media induced hysteria).

    BP slipped up, fuvcked up and got caught. If you think for one minute that their competitors aren't getting away with the same or potentially dirtier deeds, you're very, very much mistaken.
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    Brit_Bloke said
    RamWX said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.


    Now this I will respond to semi-sophisticatedly.

    Maybe I don't understand the scale of the "devestation".

    I do, however, understand the power of the media.

    And media scares and witch hunts are all too common in this country.

    And the response to this whole issue is verging upon hysteria. With (I assume) non-qualified laymen making assumptions as to what is and isn't possible in nature ("like hell it will fuckin evaporate, where's the remote control" etc).

    I'll also be the first to admit that there's a mildly unpleasant vein of patriotism influencing my decision to defend BP. I know diddly squat about the whole thing, really.

    But, possibly, just marginally less than those who have very strong opinions on the matter (= media induced hysteria).

    BP slipped up, fuvcked up and got caught. If you think for one minute that their competitors aren't getting away with the same or potentially dirtier deeds, you're very, very much mistaken.


    First of all, this doesnt pertain to your blowing off of a disaster. Regardless of the patriotism, or the media.. its bad fucking news you cant dump several hundred thousand gallons of oil into the ocean without serious reprecussions.

    You say you don't know much? then shut the fuck up. There arent many people defending BP, especially with patriotism.. You may have used thesaurus but your completely uninformed and clearly don't care about the environment at all... as far as I care your just as bad as BP.

    Lastly, yeah we know they all suck... but BP fucked up.. no one said anything about the other companies.

    Get out of town dude, you suck at life.
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    Aug 04, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
    To put this into perspective, if the Gulf of Mexico were an olympic-sized swimming pool, the amount of oil spilt from this disaster would amount to 1 gram, which is one drop from an eye-dropper.

    Of course it was a disaster for many livelihoods and the long-term environmental consequences will only become apparent after several years of study.

    There is however no justification for turning this into an anti-British rant. Almost half of BP's shares are held by Americans, who presumably were not too concerned about BP's practices while the money continued to roll in. It should also be borne in mind that the company that operated the platform was American.
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    Aug 04, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    Progress said
    Brit_Bloke said
    RamWX said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.


    Now this I will respond to semi-sophisticatedly.

    Maybe I don't understand the scale of the "devestation".

    I do, however, understand the power of the media.

    And media scares and witch hunts are all too common in this country.

    And the response to this whole issue is verging upon hysteria. With (I assume) non-qualified laymen making assumptions as to what is and isn't possible in nature ("like hell it will fuckin evaporate, where's the remote control" etc).

    I'll also be the first to admit that there's a mildly unpleasant vein of patriotism influencing my decision to defend BP. I know diddly squat about the whole thing, really.

    But, possibly, just marginally less than those who have very strong opinions on the matter (= media induced hysteria).

    BP slipped up, fuvcked up and got caught. If you think for one minute that their competitors aren't getting away with the same or potentially dirtier deeds, you're very, very much mistaken.


    First of all, this doesnt pertain to your blowing off of a disaster. Regardless of the patriotism, or the media.. its bad fucking news you cant dump several hundred thousand gallons of oil into the ocean without serious reprecussions.

    You say you don't know much? then shut the fuck up. There arent many people defending BP, especially with patriotism.. You may have used thesaurus but your completely uninformed and clearly don't care about the environment at all... as far as I care your just as bad as BP.

    Lastly, yeah we know they all suck... but BP fucked up.. no one said anything about the other companies.

    Get out of town dude, you suck at life.


    There you go again: "you suck at life". Why destroy a potentially reasonable argument with yawningly juvenile rudeness?

    And just how much, exactly, do you know?

    In truth, where do you fall on the informed vs uninformed scale?

    Would I be right in assuming that you've made your decision based upon information gleaned from the media?

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    Aug 04, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    I'm hardly anti-BP, I still buy their gas and such. They messed up, royaly, and are paying a very heavy price for what they've done. However, the company's going about this disaster has been less than stellar, especially from a PR standpoint.

    The oil companies have and continue to get away with quite a bit, and some of it can be traced to the Bush presidency and their friendliness with them during those 8 years. Things need to change, concerning regulations, inspections, and overall safety.
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    TheIStrat said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.


    Well, aren't you an asshat. I guess being upset about the environmental catastrophy and livelihoods destroyed because bp couldn't run a rig correctly is being whiny now.


    The fact that such bastions of ring wing activism like Time are asking questions about whether or not the environmental damage has been exaggerated should give pause - facts cited:
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2007202,00.html
    Yes, the spill killed birds — but so far, less than 1% of the number killed by the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska 21 years ago. Yes, we've heard horror stories about oiled dolphins — but so far, wildlife-response teams have collected only three visibly oiled carcasses of mammals. Yes, the spill prompted harsh restrictions on fishing and shrimping, but so far, the region's fish and shrimp have tested clean, and the restrictions are gradually being lifted. And yes, scientists have warned that the oil could accelerate the destruction of Louisiana's disintegrating coastal marshes — a real slow-motion ecological calamity — but so far, assessment teams have found only about 350 acres of oiled marshes, when Louisiana was already losing about 15,000 acres of wetlands every year.


    And then there's this:
    http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2286/
    The Coast Guard has gathered evidence it failed to follow its own firefighting policy during the Deepwater Horizon disaster and is investigating whether the chaotic spraying of tons of salt water by private boats contributed to sinking the ill-fated oil rig, according to interviews and documents.

    Coast Guard officials told the Center for Public Integrity that the service does not have the expertise to fight an oil rig fire and that its response to the April 20 explosion may have broken the service’s own rules by failing to ensure a firefighting expert supervised the half-dozen private boats that answered the Deepwater Horizon’s distress call to fight the blaze.

    [...] Would the oil spill have been as catastrophic as it was if the rig did not sink? Baugh says it is “possible,” pointing out that “It is sure that for as long as the vessel was floating the spill was greatly minimized; it is possible that it could still be floating and there would have been only minimal pollution.”


    As for motivations for the overreaction? It's the reactionaries that would cause more damage to the economy and the environment than the original spill itself by attempting and succeeding at implementing unnecessary regulations - noteworthy: http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/09/the-governments-catastrophic-r
    Three days after the accident, the Dutch government offered advanced skimming equipment capable of sucking up oiled water, separating out most of the oil, and returning the cleaner water to the Gulf. But citing discharge regulations that demand that 99.9985 percent of the returned water is oil-free, the EPA initially turned down the offer. A month into the crisis, the EPA backed off those regulations, and the Dutch equipment was airlifted to the Gulf.
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    Aug 04, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    Brit_Bloke said
    Progress said
    Brit_Bloke said
    RamWX said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.


    Now this I will respond to semi-sophisticatedly.

    Maybe I don't understand the scale of the "devestation".

    I do, however, understand the power of the media.

    And media scares and witch hunts are all too common in this country.

    And the response to this whole issue is verging upon hysteria. With (I assume) non-qualified laymen making assumptions as to what is and isn't possible in nature ("like hell it will fuckin evaporate, where's the remote control" etc).

    I'll also be the first to admit that there's a mildly unpleasant vein of patriotism influencing my decision to defend BP. I know diddly squat about the whole thing, really.

    But, possibly, just marginally less than those who have very strong opinions on the matter (= media induced hysteria).

    BP slipped up, fuvcked up and got caught. If you think for one minute that their competitors aren't getting away with the same or potentially dirtier deeds, you're very, very much mistaken.


    First of all, this doesnt pertain to your blowing off of a disaster. Regardless of the patriotism, or the media.. its bad fucking news you cant dump several hundred thousand gallons of oil into the ocean without serious reprecussions.

    You say you don't know much? then shut the fuck up. There arent many people defending BP, especially with patriotism.. You may have used thesaurus but your completely uninformed and clearly don't care about the environment at all... as far as I care your just as bad as BP.

    Lastly, yeah we know they all suck... but BP fucked up.. no one said anything about the other companies.

    Get out of town dude, you suck at life.


    There you go again: "you suck at life". Why destroy a potentially reasonable argument with yawningly juvenile rudeness?

    And just how much, exactly, do you know?

    In truth, where do you fall on the informed vs uninformed scale?

    Would I be right in assuming that you've made your decision based upon information gleaned from the media?




    Right, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed or misinformed. Nothing you read is accurate unless you personally verify it.

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    Mil8 saidTo put this into perspective, if the Gulf of Mexico were an olympic-sized swimming pool, the amount of oil spilt from this disaster would amount to 1 gram, which is one drop from an eye-dropper.

    Of course it was a disaster for many livelihoods and the long-term environmental consequences will only become apparent after several years of study.

    There is however no justification for turning this into an anti-British rant. Almost half of BP's shares are held by Americans, who presumably were not too concerned about BP's practices while the money continued to roll in. It should also be borne in mind that the company that operated the platform was American.


    MWOIA!

    That was a big wet kiss.

    To give my argument more context, when Princess Diana, "Queen of Our Hearts" sadly passed away, English people, yes, "stiff upper lip", cold English people were crying on the fucking streets.

    Literally, bawling and weeping on the streets.

    The Queen had to make a fucking speech.

    What on earth caused that?

    That sort of madness makes me ... rather annoyed. Whatever the situation.

    And if not annoyed, then slightly embarrassed for those who fall under the spell.

    And if you don't get my point here, you're probably not worth my knowing anyway.
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    Aug 04, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    DjDorchester said
    Brit_Bloke said
    Progress said
    Brit_Bloke said
    RamWX said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.

    This isn't happening to areas where you have a lot of family and friends, as well as vacationed at since you were born like I have.

    You obviously just don't understand the scope of how much damage this has caused to the economy and ecosystems of the Gulf Coast region, and this will continue for years to come.


    Now this I will respond to semi-sophisticatedly.

    Maybe I don't understand the scale of the "devestation".

    I do, however, understand the power of the media.

    And media scares and witch hunts are all too common in this country.

    And the response to this whole issue is verging upon hysteria. With (I assume) non-qualified laymen making assumptions as to what is and isn't possible in nature ("like hell it will fuckin evaporate, where's the remote control" etc).

    I'll also be the first to admit that there's a mildly unpleasant vein of patriotism influencing my decision to defend BP. I know diddly squat about the whole thing, really.

    But, possibly, just marginally less than those who have very strong opinions on the matter (= media induced hysteria).

    BP slipped up, fuvcked up and got caught. If you think for one minute that their competitors aren't getting away with the same or potentially dirtier deeds, you're very, very much mistaken.


    First of all, this doesnt pertain to your blowing off of a disaster. Regardless of the patriotism, or the media.. its bad fucking news you cant dump several hundred thousand gallons of oil into the ocean without serious reprecussions.

    You say you don't know much? then shut the fuck up. There arent many people defending BP, especially with patriotism.. You may have used thesaurus but your completely uninformed and clearly don't care about the environment at all... as far as I care your just as bad as BP.

    Lastly, yeah we know they all suck... but BP fucked up.. no one said anything about the other companies.

    Get out of town dude, you suck at life.


    There you go again: "you suck at life". Why destroy a potentially reasonable argument with yawningly juvenile rudeness?

    And just how much, exactly, do you know?

    In truth, where do you fall on the informed vs uninformed scale?

    Would I be right in assuming that you've made your decision based upon information gleaned from the media?




    Right, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.



    I was thinking more along the lines of reading/listening to more than just the mainstream media; a bit of "out of the box" (don't you just hate that expression?) research before performing some sort of critical analysis, but, yeah, your idea would work too.
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    DjDorchester saidRight, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.
    That applies as much to those like yourself as anyone else. You'd think journalists to date would have been more inquisitive folks throughout the crisis and the response by the government instead of being advocates for various extremists.
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    Aug 04, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
    riddler78 said
    TheIStrat said
    Brit_Bloke saidOh quit whinging about BP.

    Loons.


    Well, aren't you an asshat. I guess being upset about the environmental catastrophy and livelihoods destroyed because bp couldn't run a rig correctly is being whiny now.


    The fact that such bastions of ring wing activism like Time are asking questions about whether or not the environmental damage has been exaggerated should give pause - facts cited:
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2007202,00.html
    Yes, the spill killed birds — but so far, less than 1% of the number killed by the Exxon Valdez spill in Alaska 21 years ago. Yes, we've heard horror stories about oiled dolphins — but so far, wildlife-response teams have collected only three visibly oiled carcasses of mammals. Yes, the spill prompted harsh restrictions on fishing and shrimping, but so far, the region's fish and shrimp have tested clean, and the restrictions are gradually being lifted. And yes, scientists have warned that the oil could accelerate the destruction of Louisiana's disintegrating coastal marshes — a real slow-motion ecological calamity — but so far, assessment teams have found only about 350 acres of oiled marshes, when Louisiana was already losing about 15,000 acres of wetlands every year.


    And then there's this:
    http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2286/
    The Coast Guard has gathered evidence it failed to follow its own firefighting policy during the Deepwater Horizon disaster and is investigating whether the chaotic spraying of tons of salt water by private boats contributed to sinking the ill-fated oil rig, according to interviews and documents.

    Coast Guard officials told the Center for Public Integrity that the service does not have the expertise to fight an oil rig fire and that its response to the April 20 explosion may have broken the service’s own rules by failing to ensure a firefighting expert supervised the half-dozen private boats that answered the Deepwater Horizon’s distress call to fight the blaze.

    [...] Would the oil spill have been as catastrophic as it was if the rig did not sink? Baugh says it is “possible,” pointing out that “It is sure that for as long as the vessel was floating the spill was greatly minimized; it is possible that it could still be floating and there would have been only minimal pollution.”


    As for motivations for the overreaction? It's the reactionaries that would cause more damage to the economy and the environment than the original spill itself by attempting and succeeding at implementing unnecessary regulations - noteworthy: http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/09/the-governments-catastrophic-r
    Three days after the accident, the Dutch government offered advanced skimming equipment capable of sucking up oiled water, separating out most of the oil, and returning the cleaner water to the Gulf. But citing discharge regulations that demand that 99.9985 percent of the returned water is oil-free, the EPA initially turned down the offer. A month into the crisis, the EPA backed off those regulations, and the Dutch equipment was airlifted to the Gulf.


    Aaaaand my guardian angel appears.

    I don't really understand what you're saying mister, but I like it. x
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    DjDorchester saidRight, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.
    That applies as much to those like yourself as anyone else. You'd think journalists to date would have been more inquisitive folks throughout the crisis and the response by the government instead of being advocates for various extremists.



    To be blunt: You have no idea what you're talking about.

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    DjDorchester saidRight, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.
    That applies as much to those like yourself as anyone else. You'd think journalists to date would have been more inquisitive folks throughout the crisis and the response by the government instead of being advocates for various extremists.



    To be blunt: You have no idea what you're talking about.



    I would have said the exact opposite. He appears to have conducted a reasonable amount of research and applied that critical analysis I mentioned earlier.

    I don't understand your point. Explain?
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    riddler78 said
    DjDorchester saidRight, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.
    That applies as much to those like yourself as anyone else. You'd think journalists to date would have been more inquisitive folks throughout the crisis and the response by the government instead of being advocates for various extremists.

    To be blunt: You have no idea what you're talking about.

    I see - so you're arrogant enough to think that not only do you do, but you do know better than what is being published in the press today, the experts outside BP and government officials?
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    Brit_Bloke said
    DjDorchester said
    riddler78 said
    DjDorchester saidRight, cuz you know... it's best to go down there for a month or so, interview people yourself, charter a boat and observe what's happening, maybe ask for a ride in a submersible and go have a look at the well up close. Really, that's the only way anything you say will have merit... otherwise, you'll be classified as uninformed.
    That applies as much to those like yourself as anyone else. You'd think journalists to date would have been more inquisitive folks throughout the crisis and the response by the government instead of being advocates for various extremists.



    To be blunt: You have no idea what you're talking about.



    I would have said the exact opposite. He appears to have conducted a reasonable amount of research and applied that critical analysis I mentioned earlier.

    I don't understand your point. Explain?



    My point is: He won't believe anything that's reported, anyway. For journalists, it's damned if we do, damned if we don't. To be called "advocates for various extremists" shows how little the guy understands about the media. And this isn't the first time in these threads he's demonstrated that.