Bad Republican math gets a media pass

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    Aug 06, 2010 7:49 AM GMT
    Yes, I know. Very partisan headline. But it's accurate.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?ref=opinion
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    Aug 06, 2010 9:08 AM GMT
    Republican math hasn't added up since the Nixon years.

    The G.O.P. has continually strayed from its roots of being fiscally conservative (which I agree with, but not in the way that they approach it), and relies on odd mathematics to reach their bizarre conclusions.

    Perhaps they area bit too influenced by the religious factions of their party?
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    ThelStrat,

    Why are you buying into that garbage on that video? Rand Paul also believes that a gay bar has the right to refuse to serve Klan members and that Hindu can refuse business to a Muslim etc etc etc --- everyone would have the same rights as long as it is their property. That is such BS it makes me so angry watching it. Rand Paul is willing to give you more gay rights than Barack Obama ever would.
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    mocktwinkie saidThelStrat,

    Why are you buying into that garbage on that video? Rand Paul also believes that a gay bar has the right to refuse to serve Klan members and that Hindu can refuse business to a Muslim etc etc etc --- everyone would have the same rights as long as it is their property. That is such BS it makes me so angry watching it. Rand Paul is willing to give you more gay rights than Barack Obama ever would.



    More gay rights than Obama?
    TOTAL BS.

    PROVE IT.
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    mocktwinkie saidThelStrat,

    Why are you buying into that garbage on that video? Rand Paul also believes that a gay bar has the right to refuse to serve Klan members and that Hindu can refuse business to a Muslim etc etc etc --- everyone would have the same rights as long as it is their property. That is such BS it makes me so angry watching it. Rand Paul is willing to give you more gay rights than Barack Obama ever would.


    I'm avoiding as best I can to not openly just make fun of you because despite how terrible your ideas and arguments are, you don't seem to be a mean person and you aren't openly attacking people. BUT COME ON.

    Think about it, you're with your bf, you are driving, you need gas and you stop at the only gas station for MILES not sure if you will make it to the next one and not even sure where it is. So you get there and the gas attendant goes "we don't serve gays"

    Like are you for real, are you that incapable of seeing how things play out?
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    Aug 06, 2010 6:54 PM GMT
    If Fred Phelps comes into your grocery store, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, I don't serve fundamentalist Christians. Take your money down to the Super WalMart". If Pat Robertson comes into your feminist-owned bookstore, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, I don't serve men. Take your money to Mardel's". If Rush Limbaugh comes into your gay-owned health spa, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, we don't serve straights here". If Ron Paul walks into your black-owned salon, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, we don't provide services to whites here. Take your money to Great Clips."

    You purchased those groceries from distributors. You acquired those books from publishers. You built the clean massage tables and installed the recessed lighting and speakers and the jetbath. You paid for those hair products and the state cosmetology license. They are your private property, and they are non-essential, nonexclusive goods and services. The government has no standing to compel you by force to put your private property at the disposal of another person.

    The thing is, Rand Paul completely supports your right to refuse to serve him for any reason you choose. I'm not 100% sure how President Obama feels about it, but given the policies of the Democratic Party it seems to be a right that he's highly unlikely to support.
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    SportingChance saidIf Fred Phelps comes into your grocery store, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, I don't serve fundamentalist Christians. Take your money down to the Super WalMart". If Pat Robertson comes into your feminist-owned bookstore, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, I don't serve men. Take your money to Mardel's". If Rush Limbaugh comes into your gay-owned health spa, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, we don't serve straights here". If Ron Paul walks into your black-owned salon, I think you should have the right to say, "Sorry, we don't provide services to whites here. Take your money to Great Clips."

    You purchased those groceries from distributors. You acquired those books from publishers. You built the clean massage tables and installed the recessed lighting and speakers and the jetbath. You paid for those hair products and the state cosmetology license. They are your private property, and they are non-essential, nonexclusive goods and services. The government has no standing to compel you by force to put your private property at the disposal of another person.

    The thing is, Rand Paul completely supports your right to refuse to serve him for any reason you choose. I'm not 100% sure how President Obama feels about it, but given the policies of the Democratic Party it seems to be a right that he's highly unlikely to support.


    Actually, I don't know that Paul does completely support your right to refuse to serve him. He's kind of backtracked on it. As far as I can tell, he doesn't know what he thinks on it, which I think is not altogether unreasonable as I do think it's a somewhat complex issue.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/20/AR2010052003500.html

    What was most disturbing in Paul's case was that it seemed to be something which he hadn't really thought through. That wouldn't even have been all that disturbing except that these are the kinds of issues that are central to his world view, which suggests that he hasn't really thought in depth about much of anything.

    Still, I think that after weighing the pros and cons, it's hard not to come down in favor of the Civil Rights Act of 1963. Sure, it would be nice to not to be legally obligated to rent an apartment to a homophobe or a racist (or a homophobic racist), but the benefits of the legislation far outweigh the disadvantages.

    What's more disturbing to me than any of this is Paul's statements about how the government shouldn't regulate any industries at all.

    Here's something he said: "Is there a certain amount of accidents and unfortunate things that do happen, no matter what the regulations are? ... The bottom line is I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules. You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs."

    The level of stupidity and cluelessness on display in that statement is mind-boggling. And scary.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:12 AM GMT
    theatrengym saidYes, I know. Very partisan headline. But it's accurate.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/opinion/06krugman.html?ref=opinion


    Oops. It would appear not so surprisingly that Krugman got his facts wrong.

    http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2010/08/krugmn-will-believe-anything-that-makes-health-care-reform-look-good.html - quoting the same report that Krugman uses to apparently prove his point:

    "...the financial projections shown in this report for Medicare do not represent a reasonable expectation for actual program operations in either the short range (as a result of the unsustainable reductions in physician payment rates) or the long range (because of the strong likelihood that the statutory reductions in price updates for most categories of Medicare provider services will not be viable)."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/05/AR2010080500643.html

    "The Medicare program's chief actuary was far more skeptical, contending that the report's predictions "do not represent a reasonable expectation" of its finances. In a two-page letter accompanying the trustees' report, Richard S. Foster, a non-partisan official who has been the Health and Human Services Department's top financial expert on Medicare for 15 years, said he doubted that health-care providers will become as efficient as the new law envisions. As a result, he said, the program is unlikely to slow payments for treating patients as much as the law anticipates and, as a result, will be unable to save as much money."

    Bad republican math or make believe partisan "savings"? The last I checked Paul Krugman had a pretty big soap box in the media ie NYT with which to attack opponents of the current regime.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    How come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif
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    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif


    The Republicans dont have a clue about a lot of things, but I can tell you one thing when it comes to tax cuts they sure do. I am a business owner and I can tell you right now that if I get moved to the 39% tax bracket, I will be letting people go, as I will have to cut costs to be able to pay the government. These tax increases will screw a lot more people than just the rich. This is a no brainer.







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    mocktwinkie saidThelStrat,

    Why are you buying into that garbage on that video? Rand Paul also believes that a gay bar has the right to refuse to serve Klan members and that Hindu can refuse business to a Muslim etc etc etc --- everyone would have the same rights as long as it is their property. That is such BS it makes me so angry watching it. Rand Paul is willing to give you more gay rights than Barack Obama ever would.


    yes, and a gay bar has no right to refuse service to a klan member or a hindu to refuse to a muslim. discrimination is discrimination and no one gets a pass. it's like everyone has a right to free speech, not just the people i want to hear.
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:12 AM GMT
    Now go google: the Clinton body count. Look at the numbers of that.
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    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif


    The Republicans dont have a clue about a lot of things, but I can tell you one thing when it comes to tax cuts they sure do. I am a business owner and I can tell you right now that if I get moved to the 39% tax bracket, I will be letting people go, as I will have to cut costs to be able to pay the government. These tax increases will screw a lot more people than just the rich. This is a no brainer.





    That's the same line of BS the Republicans spun out when the Clinton administration passed the 1993 tax raise on the rich up to 39%.
    They spewed out a shit storm of scaremongering about how it would kill the economy.

    The actual reality was that the economy soon entered the strongest economic boom in U.S history.
    PLUS, the Reagan/Bush massive yearly budget deficits turned into huge Clinton yearly budget surpluses and the National Debt actually began to shrink.

    NONE of the BS the Republican warned about came to pass.

    NO surprise there.
    The Repubs don't know shit about handling the economy.
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
    pattison saidNow go google: the Clinton body count. Look at the numbers of that.


    do you ever get tired of the idiocy that comes out of you?

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif




    Well said, fastprof.

    And Democrats DO say good things about Republicans - when Republicans do good things.

    I started a thread TODAY saying good things about the moderate Republicans who have done good things to help get prop 8 overturned.

    It's just a shame that Republicans doing good things is such a rare event.
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    CHRISMA said
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    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif


    The Republicans dont have a clue about a lot of things, but I can tell you one thing when it comes to tax cuts they sure do. I am a business owner and I can tell you right now that if I get moved to the 39% tax bracket, I will be letting people go, as I will have to cut costs to be able to pay the government. These tax increases will screw a lot more people than just the rich. This is a no brainer.





    That's the same line of BS the Republicans spun out when the Clinton administration passed the 1993 tax raise on the rich up to 39%.
    They spewed out a shit storm of scaremongering about how it would kill the economy.

    The actual reality was that the economy soon entered the strongest economic boom in U.S history.
    PLUS, the Reagan/Bush massive yearly budget deficits turned into huge Clinton yearly budget surpluses and the National Debt actually began to shrink.

    NONE of the BS the Republican warned about came to pass.

    NO surprise there.
    The Repubs don't know shit about handling the economy.


    Why is it that most business owners and hard working Americans vote Republican then?


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    CHRISMA said
    rickrick91 said
    CHRISMA said
    fastprof said
    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif


    The Republicans dont have a clue about a lot of things, but I can tell you one thing when it comes to tax cuts they sure do. I am a business owner and I can tell you right now that if I get moved to the 39% tax bracket, I will be letting people go, as I will have to cut costs to be able to pay the government. These tax increases will screw a lot more people than just the rich. This is a no brainer.





    That's the same line of BS the Republicans spun out when the Clinton administration passed the 1993 tax raise on the rich up to 39%.
    They spewed out a shit storm of scaremongering about how it would kill the economy.

    The actual reality was that the economy soon entered the strongest economic boom in U.S history.
    PLUS, the Reagan/Bush massive yearly budget deficits turned into huge Clinton yearly budget surpluses and the National Debt actually began to shrink.

    NONE of the BS the Republican warned about came to pass.

    NO surprise there.
    The Repubs don't know shit about handling the economy.


    Why is it that most business owners and hard working Americans vote Republican then?





    LMFAO!

    Did you sleep through the last two elections like you must've slept through your classes in school?
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    CHRISMA said
    rickrick91 said
    CHRISMA said
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    CHRISMA saidHow come whenever there is trash talk on the Republicans its either in the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters? Have they ever said one good thing about a Republican?


    That's not the right question. The right question is "how come whenever there is lots of evidence that Republicans have no clue and have left a mess for Obama to fix the only media sources that have the guts to tell it like it is, cited with evidence, not undocumented opinion, are the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters?"

    Or maybe, "why is it that with the overwhelming amount of evidence that the Republican blundering, Fox News continues to not report it?"

    Those are the right questions. Am I saying these things somewhat tongue-in-cheek, yes?

    But, Chrisma, two things can equally be true....either the New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC and Media Matters are correct or they are incorrect. You're picking the outcome and working backwards because of your bias.

    Also, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans. I am sure, once in a while, a Republican helps an old lady across the street. icon_evil.gif


    The Republicans dont have a clue about a lot of things, but I can tell you one thing when it comes to tax cuts they sure do. I am a business owner and I can tell you right now that if I get moved to the 39% tax bracket, I will be letting people go, as I will have to cut costs to be able to pay the government. These tax increases will screw a lot more people than just the rich. This is a no brainer.





    That's the same line of BS the Republicans spun out when the Clinton administration passed the 1993 tax raise on the rich up to 39%.
    They spewed out a shit storm of scaremongering about how it would kill the economy.

    The actual reality was that the economy soon entered the strongest economic boom in U.S history.
    PLUS, the Reagan/Bush massive yearly budget deficits turned into huge Clinton yearly budget surpluses and the National Debt actually began to shrink.

    NONE of the BS the Republican warned about came to pass.

    NO surprise there.
    The Repubs don't know shit about handling the economy.


    Why is it that most business owners and hard working Americans vote Republican then?





    LMFAO!

    Did you sleep through the last two elections like you must've slept through your classes in school?



    Well, Rick, just go to your local Chamber Of Commerce meeting. Sometimes they have Networking events that are open to non members and you will see. My suggestion to you is, put down the Keith Olberman talking points and go talk to business owners in your community and ask them how letting the tax cuts expire will affect their businesses. Or maybe before you trash the tea party movement you should go to a meeting and get all the facts yourself instead of listing trash links to media matters and think progress. You dont have to agree with anything these people say, but at least your posts will have some substance.




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    Rickrick91 saidAlso, I don't accept your contention that the he New York Times, Thinkprogress.com, MSNBC or Media Matters never has a positive thing to say about Republicans.


    And he's right. Here's an article from the NYTimes that gives credit where it's due.
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    Oops. It would appear not so surprisingly that Krugman got his facts wrong.

    http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2010/08/krugmn-will-believe-anything-that-makes-health-care-reform-look-good.html - quoting the same report that Krugman uses to apparently prove his point:

    "...the financial projections shown in this report for Medicare do not represent a reasonable expectation for actual program operations in either the short range (as a result of the unsustainable reductions in physician payment rates) or the long range (because of the strong likelihood that the statutory reductions in price updates for most categories of Medicare provider services will not be viable)."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/05/AR2010080500643.html

    "The Medicare program's chief actuary was far more skeptical, contending that the report's predictions "do not represent a reasonable expectation" of its finances. In a two-page letter accompanying the trustees' report, Richard S. Foster, a non-partisan official who has been the Health and Human Services Department's top financial expert on Medicare for 15 years, said he doubted that health-care providers will become as efficient as the new law envisions. As a result, he said, the program is unlikely to slow payments for treating patients as much as the law anticipates and, as a result, will be unable to save as much money."

    Bad republican math or make believe partisan "savings"? The last I checked Paul Krugman had a pretty big soap box in the media ie NYT with which to attack opponents of the current regime.


    I'm confused here. I went back to the Krugman column and I clicked on your links.

    Maybe I'm missing something. I don't understand all that much about economics so I may well be missing something. But I don't see how either article to which you linked addresses the main points of the Krugman column I linked.

    Krugman may well be wrong about lots of things. But I don't see how the things he wrote in that column Paul Ryan's plan are demonstrated to have been wrong in either of the articles you linked.