Bravo to Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger and Democrat Jerry Brown...

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    Aug 07, 2010 12:17 AM GMT
    for calling for the resumption of same sex weddings in CA now that prop 8 has been overturned.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-prop-8,0,3462871.story

    It isn't often that a Republican does something good, but Arnold - as well as Ted Olson, and Judge Walker - are rare exceptions in the Republican party.
    Moderate Republicans who don't advocate a hateful anti-gay agenda.

    They deserve some praise for their actions.

    If only they represented more than a tiny fraction of the current Republican party.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    'Cept Judge Vaugh put on a self-imposed stay pending appeal
    I don't think they can allow marriages right now
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:35 AM GMT
    I don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:06 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    hmm...gay republicans....never understood someone wanting to join a club that wouldn't want them as a member.....just confounds me
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    Actually, Schwarzenegger bucked the Repulbican trend and has earned scorn from the GOP in California for his strong environmental stance. It was so remarkably strong, that I actually voted for him....the first and last time I will do so, given the tea party movement's gradual take over of the GOP, simply because I believe environmental issues are rising to crisis levels for us and the world.

    But I believe he always favored the right of gays to marry, but was too timid in that area to take the correct stand. By the way, it doesn't matter that Prop 8 passed....it did so only by a slim margin. Even if it had lost by a slim margin, it would have been challenged in the courts, and no matter what, it will end up at the Supreme Court.

    I just want to say again that I am nearly certain that Judge Walker worded his ruling in a way that was directed to the proclivities of the Supreme Court, or at least a few of its members. He doesn't want his ruling to be overturned.

    Even the stay is reasonable given the emotion on both sides. He's given the other side time to finally produce evidence, besides hysterical ravings and anecdotal religious poppy-cock, that his ruling should not take effect. We all know that they won't be able to do that...and will continue their sanctimonius religion-based arguments. The more they do that, the more the issue that Prop 8 was just religion trying to impose its views on the political process, making it more obvious to justices that this is a separation of church and state issue as well.

    Jerry Brown always has favored the right to marry for any adults, regardless of gender. I am hoping the divisive GOP campaign between Whitman and Poizner, with particularly nasty hit ads by Whitman, has crippled her bid. Then again, we have the libertarians and their "leave it alone do nothing" stance, inconsistent with their official position supporting equal rights. (ObsceneWish posted the appropriate proof of that already) who are somewhat to alot allied with the tea party wackos in the state.

    We'll see how it shakes out in the coming weeks. My criticism of Brown is his low key campaign approach while Whitman is spending multi millions on conservative southbeach type hit ads.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:30 AM GMT
    oaktownguy saidhmm...gay republicans....never understood someone wanting to join a club that wouldn't want them as a member.....just confounds me


    Yah, Like the Boy Scouts,
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    It's not exactly "no matter what it ends up at the Supreme Court", As it is up to the court to decide whether it will take a case or not. It may end up being thrown out on points of fact by the Federal Appeals Court. The decision makes a very strong case based on the facts of the case that make it very hard for the anti-gay side to contest.

    As per the OP - I agree. It is great to see real political leadership! Brown for Governor!
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:47 AM GMT
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    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.


    But I believe in everything to do with gay rights. The only difference is I believe that freedom should extend to economics as well as social rights.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:48 AM GMT
    JeffSGV saidIt's not exactly "no matter what it ends up at the Supreme Court", As it is up to the court to decide whether it will take a case or not. It may end up being thrown out on points of fact by the Federal Appeals Court.


    Actually, you're right. Sorry. In either case, the case would end up being appealed to the next higher court. I have a feeling that in either case, the Supreme Court will have the final say.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    oaktownguy saidhmm...gay republicans....never understood someone wanting to join a club that wouldn't want them as a member.....just confounds me


    Thats propagating a nice myth. Gay democrats are not accepting and welcoming of all homosexuals either; thus all things gay. Acceptance they may well demand, yet they have fist's full of things and people they just want accept, So how are they any better than the gay republicans they love to insight hate for?
    How is their brand of hate any better?
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.


    But I believe in everything to do with gay rights. The only difference is I believe that freedom should extend to economics as well as social rights.


    First, I'm not intending to flame you...I just want to understand...how you would join a group that wants to keep you in the closet...send you to jail for breaking sodomy laws, and keep you from marrying someone you love? Because you like the republican stance on economics...may I respectfully draw your attention to the current recession....the party started with Reagan,,,,and has gone down hill from there....trickle down economics...hell Nixon started the whole HMO mess of an insurance "policy"...Republicans are against the "redistribution of wealth"...except of course, if the wealth is redistributed to the the obscenely wealthy...then, they're all for it!

    Again, not flaming you...I really want to try an understand your thought processes...

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    Aug 07, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    oaktownguy said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.


    But I believe in everything to do with gay rights. The only difference is I believe that freedom should extend to economics as well as social rights.


    First, I'm not intending to flame you...I just want to understand...how you would join a group that wants to keep you in the closet...send you to jail for breaking sodomy laws, and keep you from marrying someone you love? Because you like the republican stance on economics...may I respectfully draw your attention to the current recession....the party started with Reagan,,,,and has gone down hill from there....trickle down economics...hell Nixon started the whole HMO mess of an insurance "policy"...Republicans are against the "redistribution of wealth"...except of course, if the wealth is redistributed to the the obscenely wealthy...then, they're all for it!

    Again, not flaming you...I really want to try an understand your thought processes...



    I'll explain it tomorrow. It's pretty simple. But it's time for dinner with my man!
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    Its not just you, LOL, they think I'm brainwashed too. Apparantly I watch Fox News every night and spit back talking points. Meanwhile, I own my own business, with a staff of 25 and am bogged down by government regulations and taxes. My only question is why hasn't Fox News brainwashed me on gay rights, abortion, religion, legalization of drugs and being against the 2 wars??? Thats all right wing stuff too.
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    oaktownguy said
    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.


    But I believe in everything to do with gay rights. The only difference is I believe that freedom should extend to economics as well as social rights.


    First, I'm not intending to flame you...I just want to understand...how you would join a group that wants to keep you in the closet...send you to jail for breaking sodomy laws, and keep you from marrying someone you love? Because you like the republican stance on economics...may I respectfully draw your attention to the current recession....the party started with Reagan,,,,and has gone down hill from there....trickle down economics...hell Nixon started the whole HMO mess of an insurance "policy"...Republicans are against the "redistribution of wealth"...except of course, if the wealth is redistributed to the the obscenely wealthy...then, they're all for it!

    Again, not flaming you...I really want to try an understand your thought processes...




    Unfortunately, his "thought process" consists of a knee-jerk reiteration of Republican talking points and right-wing BS.
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    mocktwinkie said
    rickrick91 said
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.



    I don't think you're an "evil" anything.
    Just misinformed and misled by right-wing BS.


    But I believe in everything to do with gay rights. The only difference is I believe that freedom should extend to economics as well as social rights.




    Yeah - we tried that Republican totallly "free" market economics approach.

    For the eight years of the Bush administration.

    And the result was a housing crisis, a banking crisis, and the worst recession since the Great Depression.

    NO THANKS.
    The last thing we need is to go back to the same failed Republican policies that wrecked the economy.

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    Aug 07, 2010 2:13 AM GMT
    Now go google: The Clinton body count.
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    oaktownguy saidhmm...gay republicans....never understood someone wanting to join a club that wouldn't want them as a member.....just confounds me


    I would be happy if you were in my club!
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    mocktwinkie saidI don't advocate an anti-gay hate agenda either, and yet you still think I'm an evil republican.

    You;re not evil. But you have been deliberaltely mis-taught history. Your 'facts' are not facts at all, but twistings of history designed to propagandize and whitewash the shameful role that conservatism has played in wrecking the once-proud economy of the US over the past 30 years.

    It isn't your fault up to this point; but it will become your fault if you choose to remain ignorant.



    He may need to live a little longer and experience more to be able to escape the grip of the lying Republican spin machine.

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    Aug 07, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
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    He may need to live a little longer and experience more to be able to escape the grip of the lying Republican spin machine.


    Actually, he's a Libertarian. In many respects, their party platform is worse than the mainstream Republican platforms.

    For example, you'll find such zingers as that they advocate dissolving the National Park system (one of the crown jewels of America....emulated around the world....and broadly supported by Republicans and Democrats alike) and returning the land to the private sector. I was aghast when I read that.

    They do have a plank that supports individual rights, and gay rights, so I'll give them that. But, as ObsceneWish pointed out, they are against laws to protect those rights (at least some of the state's Libertarian platforms do).

    It's true that young people adopt extreme platforms (many of the far Left during the 1960s and 1970s in Berkeley, for example, returned to the centrist Left as they matured and realized the silliness of what they were supporting)...mostly just to spite mom and dad!.

    If you ask me, Rick needs to give MockTwinkie a good spanking and we all get to watch!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 07, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah mocktwinkie,

    Most on here think you are just too young, too ignorant and bereft of "real world" experience to not see how the liberals and the Democrat party will make the USA a utopia with freedom, fairness and equality for all. A place where nobody is poor, nobody is rich, all are content and the government takes care of all of us. icon_rolleyes.gif


    This is where you refuse to debate things in good faith. No one on here is advocating for a utopia. I'm one of the furthest to the Left, and I'm not advocating that. Much like you accuse Obama of being "anti-business", you accuse me (and others) of being anti-capitalist.

    Wanting regulations to protect the public and taxes that take into account the enormous use of public services and infrastructure that business uses in making it's money is not "anti" anything. It's pro-American.
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    Aug 07, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
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    rickrick91 said
    He may need to live a little longer and experience more to be able to escape the grip of the lying Republican spin machine.


    Actually, he's a Libertarian. In many respects, their party platform is worse than the mainstream Republican platforms.

    For example, you'll find such zingers as that they advocate dissolving the National Park system (one of the crown jewels of America....emulated around the world....and broadly supported by Republicans and Democrats alike) and returning the land to the private sector. I was aghast when I read that.

    They do have a plank that supports individual rights, and gay rights, so I'll give them that. But, as ObsceneWish pointed out, they are against laws to protect those rights (at least some of the state's Libertarian platforms do).

    It's true that young people adopt extreme platforms (many of the far Left during the 1960s and 1970s in Berkeley, for example, returned to the centrist Left as they matured and realized the silliness of what they were supporting)...mostly just to spite mom and dad!.

    If you ask me, Rick needs to give MockTwinkie a good spanking and we all get to watch!! icon_biggrin.gif



    I like that idea.
    It would be my pleasure.
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    Aug 07, 2010 3:43 AM GMT
    GQjock said'Cept Judge Vaugh put on a self-imposed stay pending appeal
    I don't think they can allow marriages right now


    Actually, he has only imposed a temporary stay (requesting both sides to file briefs by today, Friday Aug 6, supporting or opposing a stay pending appeal to the 9th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. He says he will issue his decision Tuesday. So he hasn't really imposed a stay pending appeal - yet. He may deny the stay and order the state to proceed with issuing marriage licenses and carrying out same-sex marriages, as is being requested by the Governor, the AG and the plaintiff couples.

    Of course, the Appeals Court may impose a stay pending the appeal outcome anyway - since it could get messy allowing marriages in the meantime and then having to annul them, should the appeals court eventually decide for the defense (Prop 8 supporters).

    We'll have to wait and see.
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    Christian73 saidThis is where you refuse to debate things in good faith. No one on here is advocating for a utopia. I'm one of the furthest to the Left, and I'm not advocating that. Much like you accuse Obama of being "anti-business", you accuse me (and others) of being anti-capitalist.

    Wanting regulations to protect the public and taxes that take into account the enormous use of public services and infrastructure that business uses in making it's money is not "anti" anything. It's pro-American.

    O Christian, why.....do.....you....bother.......(sigh)........


    I don't know. Glutton for punishment maybe? icon_redface.gif