Hillary Clinton running? Also who you want to win in 2012.

  • yankeesblazer...

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    Aug 07, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    Hypothetically, if Obama's approval rating drops into Bush territory in the next 6 months (about another 10-12 pts), do any of you think Hillary Clinton will resign her post as Secretary of State in order to begin fundraising for a primary run against the President? Just curious to hear your thoughts.

    Also, which potential realistic candidate would you like to see win in 2012? Republican or Democrat.
  • yankeesblazer...

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    Aug 07, 2010 12:34 AM GMT
    I think she will run. Also, I would like to see Newt Gingrich run and win in 2012.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:36 AM GMT
    I actually would have preferred Hillary over Obama if I had to choose between the two, but I do think Newt will run and he has a big chance of winning.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:45 AM GMT
    I think Newt would be outstanding. I'd like to see Obama try and debate him. What a massacre.

    The problem with Newt is the double standard of the media. They will portray him as old and white and subconsciously draw on everything negative related to that. They will also associate him with everything negative from the 90s.

    A recent poll commissioned by the White House (I don't have source data, was reported on TV) indicates most voters consider Republicans capable of new ideas, in contrast to the current WH strategy of saying any Republican is a return to everything evil in the past. Newt as a candidate would give the Dems ammo. Of course he is quite articulate and can describe different ideas, but the media will downplay anything positive he says.

    A couple of things I like about Romney is the media cannot associate him with the Bush years, he has solid business credentials, and looks like a President from central casting, so harder for the Dems and media to throw mud at him.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:49 AM GMT
    socalfitness saidI think Newt would be outstanding. I'd like to see Obama try and debate him. What a massacre.

    The problem with Newt is the double standard of the media. They will portray him as old and white and subconsciously draw on everything negative related to that. They will also associate him with everything negative from the 90s.

    A recent poll commissioned by the White House (I don't have source data, was reported on TV) indicates most voters consider Republicans capable of new ideas, in contrast to the current WH strategy of saying any Republican is a return to everything evil in the past. Newt as a candidate would give the Dems ammo. Of course he is quite articulate and can describe different ideas, but the media will downplay anything positive he says.

    A couple of things I like about Romney is the media cannot associate him with the Bush years, he has solid business credentials, and looks like a President from central casting, so harder for the Dems and media to throw mud at him.


    I agree with you about Newt being a great President, but I disagree on Romney. I live in Massachusetts and he shoved health care right down our throats. Romneycare is just a smaller version of Obamacare. He also has flipped on just about every issue, much more than the regular politician. He would be taken down by the media easily.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:50 AM GMT


    You can be bet her retarded Alaskan counterpart will be running either way icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
    Newt? Really? I mean... really? You think he is a "good" option? Oh lord, America is so lost.

    Don't get me wrong: Obama is awful, Clinton is awful, any other clutter the Democrats throw up is awful. But the Republicans are also awful, any piece of trite conservative sound-bite they throw out is going to be equally awful.

    Time to abandon the two party system, people. By 2012, there could be a third party emerging, if and hopefully WHEN people realize that both parties, and all their respective politicrats and lying wind-bags bought and sold, are all screwing EVERYONE for the benefit of the few.

    Republicans and Democrats are two heads on the same two-headed monster.

    Time for a party that opposes that system of politics. Time for a party and for politicians that speak for people and speak out on real issues, instead of the same old tired rhetoric that we hear from both parties.

    You want REAL change? You have to make it happen. But if you continue to put faith in this two-party beast, you're lost to reality.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    CHRISMA said
    socalfitness said


    I agree with you about Newt being a great President, but I disagree on Romney. I live in Massachusetts and he shoved health care right down our throats. Romneycare is just a smaller version of Obamacare. He also has flipped on just about every issue, much more than the regular politician. He would be taken down by the media easily.

    Maybe you're right about Romney. I was hoping he could logically describe lessons learned from Romneycare and put that behind him, as well as his views on abortion, but maybe it's too much of a problem.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    I wanted Hillary for 2010, so definitely will vote for her if she runs.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:53 AM GMT
    It's like trading cancer for AIDS. Is that really an exchange worth making? Or is it... insanity? Hmmmm
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidNewt? Really? I mean... really? You think he is a "good" option? Oh lord, America is so lost.


    I'm honestly shocked to see people on here, wait anywhere, thinking Newt Gingrich is a grand alternative to Obama. WHAT?

    Yes, Obama has been an indecisive disaster, but do we really want to slide back into GWB mode with Newt?

    I would hope that Palin actually wins the nomination and self destructs in front of our eyes. Maybe then she'll just GO AWAY.

    I supported Hillary in 08, but there is no way in hell she's going to run against Obama while he's still in office.

    and Me Oh My, you're completely right about the blurry lines between Rep and Dem. Different message, but same results. I'm conflicted on where my allegiances lie at this point.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:03 AM GMT
    yankeesblazerscowboys saidI think she will run. Also, I would like to see Newt Gingrich run and win in 2012.


    That might just make you a cute human pinata and enemy # 1 in this site.

    --leaves before the online clusterfuck that is about to begin--
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    I actually like Obama. I'm cool with voting for him again.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    HoosierLad said

    and Me Oh My, you're completely right about the blurry lines between Rep and Dem. Different message, but same results. I'm conflicted on where my allegiances lie at this point.


    That just means you're thinking critically. If you don't have to constantly reassess your own beliefs and ideas, you've lost your mind to "group think". Left and Right are divisive and ignorant ways of thinking, used to pit people against one another instead of thinking for themselves.

    The only differences between Republicans and Democrats are in social issues. In economics and foreign policy, they are both bought and sold to the same interests, and they both SCREW you. This ultimately also leads to an analysis of their social policies, while being different, as being fundamentally flawed.

    The party system must break entirely, if people have any hope of actual change. Otherwise, get ready for another Bush, or another Obama, or another Bush, or another Clinton, or another Reagan, etc etc blah blah, same thing every time, just a different time period.

    Good for you, though! Keep smashing that divisive paradigm! It's scary, but very hopeful!
  • darkeyedresol...

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    Aug 07, 2010 1:09 AM GMT
    Hillary is not going to run, and Obama is unlikely to be challenged in a primary.He still holds like an 80% approval amongst democrats,so there is not enough internal splitting yet for him to have a problem.

    Hillary doesn't have enough of a base in the current Democratic party primary base to win. She needs white, older, blue collar, and that is becoming less and less of the Democratic party base. She is also more conservative than Obama over all, and thats goes against the history of modern primary challengers.

    Sitting Presidents, if they get challenged, as always challenged from their more ideological wing. Ford was hit from the right by Reagan, Carter was attacked by more liberal Teddy Kennedy, H.W. Bush was challenged by Buchanan, and so on. It would have to be someone more liberal, which is possible, at least on the foreign policy angle. Afghanistan grows more and more unpopular it could cause an anti-war candidate to pop up out of the left.

    She had her chance, 2008 was her moment, and it didn't work out to due poor campaign planning and underestimating her opponent.
  • yankeesblazer...

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    Aug 07, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    What I guess is a little discouraging is that just because I happen to support a Republican candidate I could become "enemy number 1" as one earlier member put it.

    Why can't tolerance go both ways?
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:14 AM GMT
    darkeyedresolve saidHillary is not going to run, and Obama is unlikely to be challenged in a primary.He still holds like an 80% approval amongst democrats,so there is not enough internal splitting yet for him to have a problem.

    Hillary doesn't have enough of a base in the current Democratic party primary base to win. She needs white, older, blue collar, and that is becoming less and less of the Democratic party base. She is also more conservative than Obama over all, and thats goes against the history of modern primary challengers.

    Sitting Presidents, if they get challenged, as always challenged from their more ideological wing. Ford was hit from the right by Reagan, Carter was attacked by more liberal Teddy Kennedy, H.W. Bush was challenged by Buchanan, and so on. It would have to be someone more liberal, which is possible, at least on the foreign policy angle. Afghanistan grows more and more unpopular it could cause an anti-war candidate to pop up out of the left.

    She had her chance, 2008 was her moment, and it didn't work out to due poor campaign planning and underestimating her opponent.


    Good post, with some great factual points. Obviously things would have to change for Hillary to jump in, but you are right that as of now there is no way Hillary would beat Obama in a primary fight. There is still some time to go though before she has to make her decision.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    I thought the Clintons were gone but they keep popping up!! icon_twisted.gif
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:17 AM GMT
    If Obama doesn't run, then...

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    Aug 07, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidIt's like trading cancer for AIDS. Is that really an exchange worth making? Or is it... insanity? Hmmmm


    You have to choose between the lesser of the two evils and work with the two party system. For example, even though I'm a libertarian I can't see it really being productive at all to vote for a libertarian candidate because in the end it's going to be a republican or a democrat. GOP for me.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    breakers saidI actually like Obama. I'm cool with voting for him again.


    Better yet, just watch your favorite TV show and stay home on election day.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
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    MeOhMy saidIt's like trading cancer for AIDS. Is that really an exchange worth making? Or is it... insanity? Hmmmm


    You have to choose between the lesser of the two evils and work with the two party system. For example, even though I'm a libertarian I can't see it really being productive at all to vote for a libertarian candidate because in the end it's going to be a republican or a democrat. GOP for me.


    Great to see another Libertarian on here!!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    Obama. He is great, and has been doing an excellent job with what he had. He is not perfect, and he will be the first to tell you so. I voted for him PROUDLY, and will stick with him in 2012. I agree with about 90% of his policy, so I'm with him.
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    MeOhMy said
    HoosierLad said

    and Me Oh My, you're completely right about the blurry lines between Rep and Dem. Different message, but same results. I'm conflicted on where my allegiances lie at this point.


    That just means you're thinking critically. If you don't have to constantly reassess your own beliefs and ideas, you've lost your mind to "group think". Left and Right are divisive and ignorant ways of thinking, used to pit people against one another instead of thinking for themselves.

    The only differences between Republicans and Democrats are in social issues. In economics and foreign policy, they are both bought and sold to the same interests, and they both SCREW you. This ultimately also leads to an analysis of their social policies, while being different, as being fundamentally flawed.

    The party system must break entirely, if people have any hope of actual change. Otherwise, get ready for another Bush, or another Obama, or another Bush, or another Clinton, or another Reagan, etc etc blah blah, same thing every time, just a different time period.

    Good for you, though! Keep smashing that divisive paradigm! It's scary, but very hopeful!


    I wish everyone could just pay attention to the actual message that both parties put out there. It's all about besting your opponent, not about getting the best for your constiuents.

    I grew up in a VERY Republican household and geographic area, and actually bought into it for the first 2-3 voting cycles after I turned 18. I then started focusing on the social issues first and foremost, and realized that the GOP was completely out of step with my beliefs in that arena.

    Flash forward 30 years, and i'm just completely disillusioned with the entire process. Both parties are more consumed with keeping or taking away power from the other that they can't focus on the issues at hand. I've voted almost exclusively Democratic in the last 20+ years, but increasingly feel like neither party 'gets it'.

    Praying for a miracle (or breath of fresh air) candidate that makes me forget about all this crap that passes for politics these days. Is there hope?
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    MeOhMy saidIt's like trading cancer for AIDS. Is that really an exchange worth making? Or is it... insanity? Hmmmm


    You have to choose between the lesser of the two evils and work with the two party system. For example, even though I'm a libertarian I can't see it really being productive at all to vote for a libertarian candidate because in the end it's going to be a republican or a democrat. GOP for me.


    Great to see another Libertarian on here!!! icon_biggrin.gif


    Well, I can't see ANY gay person actually being a bonafide traditional republican unless they believe that government should have the right to restrict freedoms in the name of "doing good"--- the very thing that we criticize about the left. So I would assume any gay republican is ACTUALLY libertarian leaning, but I could be wrong.