Why do you vote Republican/Democrat?

  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Aug 07, 2010 4:32 AM GMT
    Just curious. Why do you vote the way you vote? What issues are the most important to you and why? I don't want to hear why Republicans are evil, or Democrats are pussies. What is at the core of your intentions when you vote?
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    Aug 07, 2010 4:53 AM GMT
    I'm not a single issue voter at all. My general desire is to elect people who will do more to protect the public and promote the general welfare of the American people. In general, I tend to cast my vote for people who are anti-war, pro-environment, pro-gun regulation, pro-small business, believe in progressive taxation, etc. Often those people are nominally in the Democratic Party, though the higher they go in the hierarchy the more hawkish and pro-big business they seem to get.

    MeOhMy made an excellent point on another thread about the need for a third party. I have long voted on the Working Families line in New York, but they haven't become a truly viable national party yet. Perhaps if the economy continues to reward only the wealth and punish the middle and working classes, they will.
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    Aug 07, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    I am a conservative Independent. There! I said it.
    I have voted in two presidential elections.
    For the Kerry/Bush elections, I voted Republican.
    For the McCain/Obama, I voted Democrat because he was the "lesser evil."

    I support:
    gun rights. I own several.
    the death penalty.
    benefits for legal immigrants only
    gay marriage-because marriage is not a political institution
    strong fatherhood in families
    Kyoto
    US oil production
    other forms or energy production
    stem cell research
    abortion
    transparency in corporates-the Sunshine laws are not enough
    Social security

    I disagree with:
    trickle-down economics
    Obama's health care plan-however, it is closer to what I want than what Republicans can bring about.
    governmental involvement in a capitalist market.
    the wars
    Patriot Act
    abstinence ONLY
    lowering taxes for higher income, especially corporations

    I did not vote for Obama for "change." I realised that the recession will not be over while the government shows quiet complacency. The Republicans were not acting. The government needed to act strongly to improve citizen confidence in the country not lower taxes for the wealthy. Obama has at least not let the recession get worse. Although, it may not be his doing. It is a paradoxical relationship- I don't want big government, but I do want it to step in once things get rough. I did not put in much about foreign policy, except for the wars-but that is not what I based my votes on.
    Are these enough to incriminate and attack me?



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    Aug 07, 2010 5:10 AM GMT
    carmineastoria saidI am a conservative Independent. There! I said it.
    I have voted in two presidential elections.
    For the Kerry/Bush elections, I voted Republican.
    For the McCain/Obama, I voted Democrat because he was the "lesser evil."

    I support:
    gun rights. I own several.
    the death penalty.
    benefits for legal immigrants only
    gay marriage-because marriage is not a political institution
    strong fatherhood in families
    Kyoto
    US oil production

    I disagree with:
    trickle-down economics
    Obama's health care plan-however, it is closer to what I want than what Republicans can bring about.
    governmental involvement in a capitalist market.
    the wars
    abstinence ONLY
    lowering taxes across all income brackets, especially corporations

    I did not vote for Obama for "change." I realised that the recession will not be over while the government shows quiet complacency. The Republicans were not acting. The government needed to act strongly to improve citizen confidence in the country not lower taxes for the wealthy. Obama has at least not let the recession get worse. Although, it may not be his doing. It is a paradoxical relationship- I don't want big government, but I do want it to step in once things get rough.


    Oh, Carmine. We're so close yet so far... LOL.

    Let me see: On Agree, I'm with you except for the death penalty. I'm not against gun ownership, I am against "any-nut-with-a-drivers-license-can-by-one-anytime". And, I'm not opposed to US oil production per se, but I don't want the environment (e.g. Gulf Coast or ANWR) fucked up by it. I do think it would be better for the environment and the American economy if we focused on renewable energy though.

    On Disagree: I'm for single payer, government administered but privately supplied health care. And I'm for government intervention in capital markets if ONLY to force transparency. And I don't think people should be able to sell insurance on a bet against a financial product that they themselves are selling but think is shit.

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    Aug 07, 2010 5:14 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    carmineastoria said.


    Oh, Carmine. We're so close yet so far... LOL.

    Let me see: On Agree, I'm with you except for the death penalty. I'm not against gun ownership, I am against "any-nut-with-a-drivers-license-can-by-one-anytime". And, I'm not opposed to US oil production per se, but I don't want the environment (e.g. Gulf Coast or ANWR) fucked up by it. I do think it would be better for the environment and the American economy if we focused on renewable energy though.

    On Disagree: I'm for single payer, government administered but privately supplied health care. And I'm for government intervention in capital markets if ONLY to force transparency. And I don't think people should be able to sell insurance on a bet against a financial product that they themselves are selling but think is shit.


    I added a couple of things you reminded me about.
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    Aug 07, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    carmineastoria said.


    Oh, Carmine. We're so close yet so far... LOL.

    Let me see: On Agree, I'm with you except for the death penalty. I'm not against gun ownership, I am against "any-nut-with-a-drivers-license-can-by-one-anytime". And, I'm not opposed to US oil production per se, but I don't want the environment (e.g. Gulf Coast or ANWR) fucked up by it. I do think it would be better for the environment and the American economy if we focused on renewable energy though.

    On Disagree: I'm for single payer, government administered but privately supplied health care. And I'm for government intervention in capital markets if ONLY to force transparency. And I don't think people should be able to sell insurance on a bet against a financial product that they themselves are selling but think is shit.


    I added a couple of things you reminded me about.


    LOL. If I come to Texas can we go to the firing range?
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    Aug 07, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    I added a couple of things you reminded me about.

    LOL. If I come to Texas can we go to the firing range?
    Firing Range? I got me a big, ole backyard!
    Not really, but I want my neighbors to have the fear of God installed in them by gun-totting gays.
  • Webster666

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    Aug 07, 2010 7:57 AM GMT
    I vote almost 100% Democratic because the Democrats tend to favor
    --abiding by the United States Constitution
    --equal rights for all
    --people before corporations
    --safe working conditions
    --a living wage
    --healthcare for all
    --regulation of all businesses to prevent fraud
    --clean air
    --clean water
    --unpolluted land
    --protecting wildlife and marine life
    --saving the Earth from global warming
    --trees
    --helping the helpless
    --rescuing the victims of natural disasters
    --going to war only as a last resort
    --honesty, rather than fear, lies, and hatred
    --compromising to get things done
  • GQjock

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    Aug 07, 2010 11:12 AM GMT
    I lived long enough to see that politics can be a shell game
    and because we have a two party system .... yeah I know it sux but that's the system we have
    because of that two party system you have to look at the big picture

    What do the two parties represent?
    What are MY general interests and which of the two parties conforms to those interests .......

    Hands down

    It's the democrats .... no if's and's or Butt's icon_cool.gif

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    Aug 07, 2010 12:41 PM GMT
    When it comes to voting for the POTUS, I pick the person who is less likely to stack the Supreme Court with social conservative religious nutters.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:48 PM GMT
    I vote issues, nom partisan here. Both sides have their plusses and minuses.
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    Aug 07, 2010 12:52 PM GMT
    i dont vote based on party. i vote based on candidate and their specific policies
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    Aug 07, 2010 1:06 PM GMT
    I vote Republican for economic issues and fiscal policy and Democrat for social issues.

    I SUPPORT (in order of importance)
    FLAT TAX (should be 10% across the board, lets be fair)
    LIMITED GOVERNMENT (cut spending)
    GUN RIGHTS
    GAY MARRIAGE
    A WOMANS RIGHT TO CHOOSE AN ABORTION
    STEM CELL RESEARCH
    LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS

    IM AGAINST
    PATRIOT ACT
    IRAQ AND AFGANASTAN WARS


    While I give Bush thumbs up for the tax cuts, he and the Republican Congress did nothing to limit government. They got us into a preemtive war, they spent like drunken sailers for 6 years and they paid the price in 2006. Obama has done nothing to fix the recession. On the first Friday of every month we see more disappointing job numbers. This mostly from the fact that businesses are afraid to hire more workers and invest in more plant assets because they dont know what the future holds as far as taxes and regulations.
  • jgymnast733

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    Aug 07, 2010 9:27 PM GMT
    There both full of shit,
    its come down to either voting for The Devil or the Witch..
  • mybud

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    Aug 07, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    GQjock saidI lived long enough to see that politics can be a shell game
    and because we have a two party system .... yeah I know it sux but that's the system we have
    because of that two party system you have to look at the big picture

    What do the two parties represent?
    What are MY general interests and which of the two parties conforms to those interests .......

    Hands down

    It's the democrats .... no if's and's or Butt's icon_cool.gif

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    licked between duh crack....trust sayin...
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    Aug 07, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
    In theory, the right tends to push for freedom and the left pushes for equality. Both parties are bad but you have to choose the lesser of the two evils and the one that aligns the closest with your ideas. Taxes, free markets and immigration are the biggest political issues for me, hence I vote republican. I tend to lean very libertarian in my views but I do realize that it's impossible to achieve completely. At the end of the line it all comes down to who has the power and a majority determining and defining morality which inevitably shapes the laws of the land, even a constitution. So, I guess I'm a constitutional republican most accurately.
  • BIG_N_TALL

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    Aug 07, 2010 10:46 PM GMT
    Personally, I think the concept of a political party is the WORST thing ever devised in American politics - it will be our undoing. I think people tend to see themselves as Democrats or Republicans first... Americans second (especially nowadays). Ultimately, all Americans lose because nothing substantively can get done that will make America a more productive and stronger country.

    I hate to say I am an Independent because it's so opaque. At the end of the day, I suppose I am. There are some issues that I am vehemently on the side of Democrats... then on another another issue, more so with the Republicans. On the whole, I think Republican Party is an epic train wreck from hell. The Democrats are only marginally better - though they tend to take their constituents for granted, especially the LGBT constituency.

    With that being said, I have become so 'turned off' by contemporary American politics, I'd prefer not to hear it, see it, or read about it. I think I am well on my way to becoming a hermit. Though having a cabin in Montana or the Appalachian Mountains sounds nice right now, but I digress...
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    Aug 07, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    RYAN_SC saidPersonally, I think the concept of a political party is the WORST thing ever devised in American politics - it will be our undoing. I think people tend to see themselves as Democrats or Republicans first... Americans second (especially nowadays). Ultimately, all Americans lose because nothing substantively can get done that will make America a more productive and stronger country.


    I think you may be on to something there.
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    Aug 07, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
    in state Elections i vote Republican but in the national one i always vote Democrat, but last election i had to go for Republican because Obama's plan for this war to bring them home with in a couple months after he got elected couldnt have been done.


    now now if you throw anything throw a muscle man my way
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    Aug 07, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    I just vote for who is better fit to lead, who's ideas make more sense and would actually help given the state of the country, and most of all especially after really doing research on whoever is running.

    Yea the two party system sucks, and reading what Washington warned of both, you can definitely see everything he's described in both. However the people, when they become lazy (not caring), or only care about their party their "side" instead of the country.. We start to run into some problems, that can turn into bigger problems.

    There isn't much difference between the parties really. There is corruption in both, political machination which ruin the stability of the country, though done in different ways. There are racist in both, again presented differently. They fight amongst themselves constantly over power, and image and care only for that.

    You've got your good guys and gals in both, who do care about the people and the country, just different opinions on the advancement of it.. We mostly unfortunately hear the clowns, and the good guys are often silenced, or so greatly smeared the lazy and misinformed buy into the lies of the bad ones.

    Lets see.. I was too young to vote when Bush was going against Gore. I didn't care much for either of them, though Bush was definitely a better choice. Gore is arrogant, and seems to care only about his image, and ideology, and has shown that more so... So I wasn't rooting for sex poodle lol.

    I was old enough to vote when Bush was going against Kerry. Again I had to be on Bush's side because Kerry turned me off, and then unfortunately he proved me right. He and Dean both *does the crazy scream* lol

    McCain and Obama.. I definitely knew McCain was more of a leader than Obama. Though I couldn't vote for him because he's pretty much the same only a lighter version (and I don't mean skin color/race). I couldn't give my vote to Obama, because I not only knew he was no leader, but I strongly disagreed with his policies and philosophies and was not comfortable with his past at all.. Which is why I'm not surprised about a lot of the people he's put around him, or in positions of power... So pretty much I didn't vote that year.

    I wasn't surprised Obama won, it was pretty inevitable especially since McCain also ran a shitty campaign, which made me also question how disorganized he'd probably run other things by putting the wrong people around him, as he did in his campaign. I do however think its a good thing Obama won, because it did 2 things.

    1. It was a slap in the face to those who constantly thought this country would never elect someone who looks like him.. Unfortunately though the race hustlers still continue to rape the race card.Which I believe has caused racial tensions to come up again, and that's sad.

    2. This country has been on the wrong path for a long long time. I think the embarrassing mistakes, and the outing of a lot of the people he's put around him, along with his overly liberal policies, and not listening to the people, have made many really wake up. I don't think anyone really would have under McCain. I think McCain would have done a lot of the same, just much much slower, so we would have probably gotten someone else who'd capitalize on the crap McCain did, and be worse than both him or Obama... Rep or Dem.

    We'll see who the kids are in the next game, hopefully I can be excited to vote for someone lol.
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    Aug 07, 2010 11:40 PM GMT
    IHG84 saidI just vote for who is better fit to lead, who's ideas make more sense and would actually help given the state of the country, and most of all especially after really doing research on whoever is running.

    Yea the two party system sucks, and reading what Washington warned of both, you can definitely see everything he's described in both. However the people, when they become lazy (not caring), or only care about their party their "side" instead of the country.. We start to run into some problems, that can turn into bigger problems.

    There isn't much difference between the parties really. There is corruption in both, political machination which ruin the stability of the country, though done in different ways. There are racist in both, again presented differently. They fight amongst themselves constantly over power, and image and care only for that.

    You've got your good guys and gals in both, who do care about the people and the country, just different opinions on the advancement of it.. We mostly unfortunately hear the clowns, and the good guys are often silenced, or so greatly smeared the lazy and misinformed buy into the lies of the bad ones.

    Lets see.. I was too young to vote when Bush was going against Gore. I didn't care much for either of them, though Bush was definitely a better choice. Gore is arrogant, and seems to care only about his image, and ideology, and has shown that more so... So I wasn't rooting for sex poodle lol.

    I was old enough to vote when Bush was going against Kerry. Again I had to be on Bush's side because Kerry turned me off, and then unfortunately he proved me right. He and Dean both *does the crazy scream* lol

    McCain and Obama.. I definitely knew McCain was more of a leader than Obama. Though I couldn't vote for him because he pretty much the same only a lighter version (and I don't mean skin color/race). I couldn't give my vote to Obama, because I not only knew he was no leader, but I strongly disagreed with his policies and philosophies and was not comfortable with his past at all.. Which is why I'm not surprised about a lot of the people he's put around him, or in positions of power... So pretty much I didn't vote that year.

    I wasn't surprised Obama won, it was pretty inevitable especially since McCain also ran a shitty campaign, which made me also question how disorganized he'd probably run other things by putting the wrong people around him, as he did in his campaign. I do however think its a good thing Obama won, because it did 2 things.

    1. It was a slap in the face to those who constantly thought this country would never elect someone who looks like him.. Unfortunately though the race hustlers still continue to rape the race card.Which I believe has caused racial tensions to come up again, and that's sad.

    2. This country has been on the wrong path for a long long time. I think the embarrassing mistakes, and the outing of a lot of the people he's put around him, along with his overly liberal policies, and not listening to the people, have made many really wake up. I don't think anyone really would have under McCain. I think McCain would have done a lot of the same, just much much slower, so we would have probably gotten someone else who'd capitalize on the crap McCain did, and be worse than both him or Obama... Rep or Dem.

    We'll see who the kids are in the next game, hopefully I can be excited to vote for someone lol.


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    Aug 08, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    I have little say in Presidential election because I live in a blue state... I might care more about it if I lived in a "swing state..." but I don't.

    For gubernatorial elections I always vote Democrat because "it is the lesser of two evils." I would rather not waste my vote on an independent that I know won't get into office. The last thing I want is for someone like "Meg Whitman" in office--- She's not all that bad though... her marriage equality stance, abortion, potential business tax cuts, and anti-eco-friendly stance does bother me. icon_neutral.gif Wait... what does that leave... Oh.. pfft- I'm also in opposition to building a great wall across the border- chances are the individuals they employ and the ones that they are trying to keep out... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
    I vote republican/democrat because I have to. There is no major third party--fuckin two-party system. Here we go... in no order of importance:

    1. I support gun rights and responsible gun control
    2. I support the separation of church and state
    3. I believe churches who engage in politics should lose their tax exemption
    4. I am against abstinence-only education
    5. I support responsible regulation of big business
    6. I believe businesses can do as much harm to this country as an oppressive government
    7. I am against the death penalty.
    8. I do not support illegal immigration--the problem should be fixed... including the humanitarian problem
    9. Creationism/Intelligent Design does not belong anywhere within the walls of public science classrooms
    10. I am against the National Day of Prayer
    11. I am for stem cell research
    12. I believe politics should be forced out of NASA--let the scientists take over for once
    13. I support funding for scientific research
    14. I support the war of terror--not the war in Iraq
    15. I don't arrogantly believe America is #1 but believe we are a great country
    16. I believe we need to address anthropogenic climate change
    17. I believe that Jimmy is no longer craking corn and I do care
    18. Government should stop helping big-agriculture
    19. I support renewable energy research and development
    20. I believe the money from big food, big phrama, big healthcare insurance, and big oil should be barred from the offices of Congress/Senate.
    21. I believe everyone has the right to healthcare
    22. I support government and private healthcare to increase competition
    23. I believe pharmaceutical drug advertisements should be banned from TV, radio, magazines, etc. (like every other 1st world country except New Zealand).
    24. I believe "In God We Trust" should be removed as our national motto.
    25. I believe "under God" should be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance
    26. I believe America should bring home our troops--not engaged in the war on terror-- from all around the world.
    27. I do not support charter schools.
    28. I'm against No Child Left Behind
    29. I support our teachers
    30. I do not support government funded faith based initiatives or schools
    31. I support equal rights for gays lesbians and transgenders (not bisexuals!)
    32. Just kidding about bi people--I support equal rights for them too
    33. I believe in helping out businesses in a responsible way as to promote job growth, without overly harming the environment or fucking over people
    34. I support welfare
    35. I believe welfare should be better regulated
    36. I believe those on welfare should be helped--by social service workers or therapists--so that they can try to get back on their feet again (if possible) and off of welfare
    37. I believe in trying to see both sides of the issue
    38. I believe the two-party system hurts this country
    39. I believe the FDA should be re-organized
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    Aug 08, 2010 12:51 AM GMT
    I vote fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Right now the Democrats offer that. I know they spend, but at least they find ways to cover that spending including taxes. Republicans just spend like Democrats and have no clue about economics and don't cover their spending.

    I guess to be more precise----these statements are directed at the politicians. I know that everyday Democrat and Republican people don't fit these generalizations.
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    Aug 08, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
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