How should the owners of the Edmonton Capitals respond to this homophobic rant to a openly gay umpire?

  • adventurejock

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    Aug 07, 2010 10:54 PM GMT
    You know what I heard? I heard you are a f...ing faggot. The rumour
    from several managers and people at the league is that you are a fag. I ought to kick your ass, you faggot. - quote from Brent Bowers, Edmonton Capitals' manager, to openly gay umpire Billy Van Raaphorst

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/columnists/andrew_hanon/2010/08/06/14950041.html

  • calibro

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    Aug 08, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    they're going to have to fire him... glad to see fellow umps sticking up
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    Brutal. He should be fired. Charter violations all over the place with that one. This is one instance where being more litigious like the US would be helpful.
  • bayboy

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    Aug 08, 2010 1:26 AM GMT

    If what's been reported is accurate, the idiot should be fired. At the very least, he should be suspended for the remainder of the season, and forced to make a public apology. Yes, I know you can't "force" a genuine "apology." But he unleashed his inexcusable rant in a very public fashion -- he should have to recant it in the same manner.
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:28 AM GMT

    We agree with all of you guys.

    *looks around warily for the free-speech-at-any-cost nazis*
  • calibro

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    Aug 08, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    We agree with all of you guys.

    *looks around warily for the free-speech-at-any-cost nazis*


    this has nothing to do with freedom of speech. the man had every right to say what he did, but free speech doesn't negate a corporation's right to distance itself from an employee for saying something it doesn't agree with. he acted unethically and unprofessionally at his job and should be fired for that.
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    bayboy saidIf what's been reported is accurate, the idiot should be fired.

    Except he won't be fired. Nobody is ever fired for saying things like that, nor will he. Gays have no rights, and no protections. Are you just learning that?
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    Hey Wilton; the guy said this, "I ought to kick your ass, you faggot."

    ...which is an implied threat coupled with the word faggot and spoken publicly.

    ...and it's not happening in the United Hates of America (borrowed from another RJ member).
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    meninlove said Hey Wilton; the guy said this, "I ought to kick your ass, you faggot."

    ...which is an implied threat coupled with the word faggot and spoken publicly.

    ...and it's not happening in the United Hates of America (borrowed from another RJ member).


    It can be considered assault, hands need to be laid for battery. Here in good old Canadia the Police/Crown decide when charges are laid, not the victim as in some US jurisdictions. In support of MIL,
    protection of ALL Canadians is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and ensures the justice the system applies equally to all:

    According to the Supreme Court of Canada's Section 15 jurisprudence, the equality guarantees of section 15 are aimed at preventing the "violation of essential human dignity and freedom through the imposition of disadvantage, stereotyping, or political and social prejudices, and to promote a society in which all persons enjoy equal recognition at law as human beings or as members of Canadian society, equally capable and equally deserving of concern, respect and consideration." (Iacobucci J. in Law v. Canada, [1999])

    To that end, the Charter recognizes four dimensions of equality, including substantive equality.

    * Equality before the law is equality in the administration of justice, where all individuals are subject to the same criminal laws in the same manner by law enforcement and the courts.
    * Equality under the law is equality in the substance of the law, where the content of the law is equal and fair to everyone so that everyone experiences the same result.
    * Equal benefit of the law ensures that benefits imposed by law will be proportionate.
    * Equal protection of the law ensure that the protections imposed by law will be proportionate so that the human dignity of every person is equally safeguarded by the law.


    The best part is, it actually works like this.
  • calibro

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    Aug 08, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    can you say forced out?

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Edmonton+Capitals+coach+resigns+following+alleged+tirade/3373196/story.html
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    According to the links the game was being playing in California so I don't think in this case Canadian laws would hold up. Regardless it will be interesting to see where this guy lands in the future for job prospects. I'm assuming he'll show up somewhere on some news bite apologizing profusely claiming it was totally out of his character in the heat of the moment blah blah blah and that he really isn't that way.. Perhaps throwing in the fact that he "has some gay friends" bullshit.

    Looks like he knew the writing was on the wall by resigning before being fired..

    Sexual orientation is a prohibited ground for discrimination in Canada under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. In Canada he could be charged with inciting hatred in Canada for this incident even if the victim didn't want to lay charges. The "crown" could charge him or I believe anyone who felt victimized by his rant could lay charges against him for inciting hatred against a minority group.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
    beneful1 saidAccording to the links the game was being playing in California so I don't think in this case Canadian laws would hold up. Regardless it will be interesting to see where this guy lands in the future for job prospects. I'm assuming he'll show up somewhere on some news bite apologizing profusely claiming it was totally out of his character in the heat of the moment blah blah blah and that he really isn't that way.. Perhaps throwing in the fact that he "has some gay friends" bullshit.



    Usually these kind of guys have a lot of gay friends (just in secret) icon_eek.gif
  • bayboy

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    Aug 08, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    Wilton said
    bayboy saidIf what's been reported is accurate, the idiot should be fired.

    Except he won't be fired. Nobody is ever fired for saying things like that, nor will he. Gays have no rights, and no protections. Are you just learning that?


    Nope, not "just learning" anything of the sort. Rights and protections? We got 'em here. A bit cynical and defeatist to not stand up for them...
  • Sirkit

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    Aug 08, 2010 4:41 AM GMT
    calibro saidcan you say forced out?

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sports/Edmonton+Capitals+coach+resigns+following+alleged+tirade/3373196/story.html


    Good. I love that everyone else on the team now needs 'sensitivity' training.
  • Webster666

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    Aug 08, 2010 6:16 AM GMT
    Yeh, I thinking that firing him would be a good solution.
  • RSportsguy

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    Aug 08, 2010 12:35 PM GMT
    They suspended him for the rest of the season. I applaud the umpires for sticking together! If I was a league official, I would send out a memo to each of the teams stating that this behavior is unacceptable and would be dealt with the harshest of penalties. He stated from his rant that he heard about this umpire from several of the league managers and people at the league. I think that maybe the league officials and the managers of the other teams should also have to take sensitivity training too!!
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 08, 2010 12:45 PM GMT
    The owners should tell the bigot that he's suspended and if he's heard making any kind of bigoted comments again, he'll be terminated on the spot.
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    Aug 08, 2010 12:53 PM GMT
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    meninlove said Hey Wilton; the guy said this, "I ought to kick your ass, you faggot."

    ...which is an implied threat coupled with the word faggot and spoken publicly.

    ...and it's not happening in the United Hates of America (borrowed from another RJ member).


    It can be considered assault, hands need to be laid for battery. Here in good old Canadia the Police/Crown decide when charges are laid, not the victim as in some US jurisdictions. In support of MIL,
    protection of ALL Canadians is guaranteed under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and ensures the justice the system applies equally to all:

    According to the Supreme Court of Canada's Section 15 jurisprudence, the equality guarantees of section 15 are aimed at preventing the "violation of essential human dignity and freedom through the imposition of disadvantage, stereotyping, or political and social prejudices, and to promote a society in which all persons enjoy equal recognition at law as human beings or as members of Canadian society, equally capable and equally deserving of concern, respect and consideration." (Iacobucci J. in Law v. Canada, [1999])

    To that end, the Charter recognizes four dimensions of equality, including substantive equality.

    * Equality before the law is equality in the administration of justice, where all individuals are subject to the same criminal laws in the same manner by law enforcement and the courts.
    * Equality under the law is equality in the substance of the law, where the content of the law is equal and fair to everyone so that everyone experiences the same result.
    * Equal benefit of the law ensures that benefits imposed by law will be proportionate.
    * Equal protection of the law ensure that the protections imposed by law will be proportionate so that the human dignity of every person is equally safeguarded by the law.


    The best part is, it actually works like this.


    Under English criminal law, this conduct would, if proven, be a Section 5 Public Order Act 1986 offence of Disorderly Conduct (possibly even a more serious Section 4 Threatening Behaviour). Given the nature of the alleged conduct, the police would almost certainly investigate and the Crown Prosecution Service would probably prosecute. In deciding on a sentence, a court would have to consider whether the offence was motivated by hostility towards a person of a particular sexual orientation and could decide that this was an aggravating factor (ie it could increase the sentence accordingly). Do you not have similar public order offences in Canada?