The Dark Side of Vitaminwater

  • metta

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    Aug 08, 2010 7:10 AM GMT
    The Dark Side of Vitaminwater
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-robbins/the-dark-side-of-vitaminw_b_669716.html
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    Aug 08, 2010 1:54 PM GMT
    I like this statement:
    John RobbinsHealth experts tend to disagree about almost everything, but they all concur that added sugars play a key role in the obesity epidemic, a problem that now leads to more medical costs than smoking.
    So... smoking is banned in many places because of "potential health risks" but shitty food is perfectly legal. Something doesn't add up there. Sounds like the entire smoking ban shit actually has nothing to do with health, but health is just a convenient excuse to say "I don't like the way it smells" and have it banned.

    I think unhealthy foods/drinks should be banned so we don't have to look at obese people. Oops I meant because it's unhealthy...yeah that's the reason.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    paulflexes saidI like this statement:
    John RobbinsHealth experts tend to disagree about almost everything, but they all concur that added sugars play a key role in the obesity epidemic, a problem that now leads to more medical costs than smoking.
    So... smoking is banned in many places because of "potential health risks" but shitty food is perfectly legal. Something doesn't add up there. Sounds like the entire smoking ban shit actually has nothing to do with health, but health is just a convenient excuse to say "I don't like the way it smells" and have it banned.

    I think unhealthy foods/drinks should be banned so we don't have to look at obese people. Oops I meant because it's unhealthy...yeah that's the reason.


    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
  • swimbikerun

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    Aug 08, 2010 2:01 PM GMT
    It's crazy that the lawyers need to do things like:

    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HEREIn a staggering feat of twisted logic, lawyers for Coca-Cola are defending the lawsuit by asserting that "no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking vitaminwater was a healthy beverage."


    I think it's fine to drink for energy for a run or something but there are less expensive alternatives.
    The real crime is using fresh water, a precious resource, and producing all those plastics bottles, transported everywhere using fossil fuels.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:03 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    paulflexes saidI like this statement:
    John RobbinsHealth experts tend to disagree about almost everything, but they all concur that added sugars play a key role in the obesity epidemic, a problem that now leads to more medical costs than smoking.
    So... smoking is banned in many places because of "potential health risks" but shitty food is perfectly legal. Something doesn't add up there. Sounds like the entire smoking ban shit actually has nothing to do with health, but health is just a convenient excuse to say "I don't like the way it smells" and have it banned.

    I think unhealthy foods/drinks should be banned so we don't have to look at obese people. Oops I meant because it's unhealthy...yeah that's the reason.


    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
    Not if you're smoking outside, "less than 50 feet from a building entrance."
    I can understand the inside smoking bans; but the smoking bans outside should be stopped. Secondhand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Aug 08, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    It is really pretty sad. I drink SOBE water (0 calories), but it probably isn't that great either, other than it isn't adding calories to my day.

    I tend to avoid these "waters" when offered at a convenience store, getting a plain water rather than the "new and improved" variety.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:10 PM GMT
    Keep it simple. Use filtered water from tap (Pur or Brita work well), add a teaspoon of powdered sports drink mix, take a multivitamin and eat a banana.

    The whole process takes less than 3 minutes, is much better for you, saves plastic and is much healthier than any of that bottled crap you purchase from your local deli.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
    Not if you're smoking outside, "less than 50 feet from a building entrance."
    I can understand the inside smoking bans; but the smoking bans outside should be stopped. Secondhand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.

    ...and you have a peer-reviewed, well-controlled, well-designed study to back that claim up?
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:13 PM GMT
    reppaT saidKeep it simple. Use filtered water from tap (Pur or Brita work well), add a teaspoon of powdered sports drink mix, take a multivitamin and eat a banana.

    The whole process takes less than 3 minutes, is much better for you, saves plastic and is much healthier than any of that bottled crap you purchase from your local deli.
    People are lazy. Three minutes is an eternity. It might cause them to have a stroke from overexertion or something. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidIt is really pretty sad. I drink SOBE water (0 calories), but it probably isn't that great either, other than it isn't adding calories to my day.

    I tend to avoid these "waters" when offered at a convenience store, getting a plain water rather than the "new and improved" variety.


    Bottled water is a menace. Where it is spring water, it cannot be extracted from Springs in a way without environmental consequences and the pollution cost of shipping it is appalling.

    For the vast majority of Americans, their municipal water supply is perfectly adequate. Standards for bottled water are less rigorous than those for tap water.

    If you're really paranoid, get a Brita filter that fits on your tap (rather than the jug) --- they're much more effective at filtering particulates as the pores are finer.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:20 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting this thread. I actually have Vitamin Water ZERO in my fridge as we speak. I teach a lot of aerobic classes and sweat A LOT. My doctor suggested that I need to replenish my electrolytes (salt & sugar) after teaching a class and that as I sweat, water alone is not enough to hydrate the body. The doc did give me an option to create my own "vitamin water". I guess I need to take the time to create it myself. I think it was something like water, raw honey, sea salt, mashed banana, and a squeeze of lemon for flavor.
  • waltex

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    Aug 08, 2010 2:23 PM GMT
    I have to avoid any Vitaminwater that has any berry ingredient - makes be pee non-stop. But the Green Tea is fine.
  • swimbikerun

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    Aug 08, 2010 2:24 PM GMT
    waltex saidI have to avoid any Vitaminwater that has any berry ingredient - makes be pee non-stop. But the Green Tea is fine.
    Thanks! We were all curious about that. icon_razz.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:27 PM GMT
    I don't understand why we spend money on designer water drinks ... just drink your damn plain natural water. For those who exercise regularly probably don't eat enough anyways therefore counting calories is a moot point.

    Yes, replenishing electrolytes and salt is important. I do like my NUUN tablets or salt stick caps, or the reliable Hammer HEED. Note: Only use this option when I am performing long endurance workouts or under extreme hot weather.

    Just my 2 cents....

    Cheers
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:53 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    reppaT saidKeep it simple. Use filtered water from tap (Pur or Brita work well), add a teaspoon of powdered sports drink mix, take a multivitamin and eat a banana.

    The whole process takes less than 3 minutes, is much better for you, saves plastic and is much healthier than any of that bottled crap you purchase from your local deli.
    People are lazy. Three minutes is an eternity. It might cause them to have a stroke from overexertion or something. icon_razz.gif


    This is true. This is another reason American in general are overweight. It's far easier to have someone do it for you than do it yourself. The dollar menu... easier than doing a week of groceries and cooking for yourself. Practically the main reason the produce aisle in the grocery is mostly empty 95 percent of the time in my little piece of GA.
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    Aug 08, 2010 2:59 PM GMT
    TigerTim said
    paulflexes said
    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
    Not if you're smoking outside, "less than 50 feet from a building entrance."
    I can understand the inside smoking bans; but the smoking bans outside should be stopped. Secondhand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.

    ...and you have a peer-reviewed, well-controlled, well-designed study to back that claim up?
    Who would fund a study trying to support the contention that second hand smoke does not cause lung cancer?
    If second hand smoke in open outdoor areas caused lung cancer wouldn't there be a dearth of information?

    This link makes no mention of public outdoor open spaces:
    http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:00 PM GMT
    Ricovelas said
    paulflexes said
    reppaT saidKeep it simple. Use filtered water from tap (Pur or Brita work well), add a teaspoon of powdered sports drink mix, take a multivitamin and eat a banana.

    The whole process takes less than 3 minutes, is much better for you, saves plastic and is much healthier than any of that bottled crap you purchase from your local deli.
    People are lazy. Three minutes is an eternity. It might cause them to have a stroke from overexertion or something. icon_razz.gif


    This is true. This is another reason American in general are overweight. It's far easier to have someone do it for you than do it yourself. The dollar menu... easier than doing a week of groceries and cooking for yourself. Practically the main reason the produce aisle in the grocery is mostly empty 95 percent of the time in my little piece of GA.
    Oh I've been saying for years that they need to ban the dollar menus, or at least be required to offer something "genuinely" healthy and tasty for the same or lower price.
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    Ricovelas said
    paulflexes said
    reppaT saidKeep it simple. Use filtered water from tap (Pur or Brita work well), add a teaspoon of powdered sports drink mix, take a multivitamin and eat a banana.

    The whole process takes less than 3 minutes, is much better for you, saves plastic and is much healthier than any of that bottled crap you purchase from your local deli.
    People are lazy. Three minutes is an eternity. It might cause them to have a stroke from overexertion or something. icon_razz.gif


    This is true. This is another reason American in general are overweight. It's far easier to have someone do it for you than do it yourself. The dollar menu... easier than doing a week of groceries and cooking for yourself. Practically the main reason the produce aisle in the grocery is mostly empty 95 percent of the time in my little piece of GA.
    Oh I've been saying for years that they need to ban the dollar menus, or at least be required to offer something "genuinely" healthy and tasty for the same or lower price.


    Thats the reason a chicken sandwich was added to some of them. Because everyone know chicken is better. Or maybe that's just chick'fil-a sayin icon_smile.gif

    On another note... I was mislead by vitamin water a few time just skimming the label and not reading it. I though surely I was drinking something that was better than a cola. Glad I kicked it a while ago. I generally stick with gatorades now. icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:16 PM GMT
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    TigerTim said
    paulflexes saidI like this statement:
    John RobbinsHealth experts tend to disagree about almost everything, but they all concur that added sugars play a key role in the obesity epidemic, a problem that now leads to more medical costs than smoking.
    So... smoking is banned in many places because of "potential health risks" but shitty food is perfectly legal. Something doesn't add up there. Sounds like the entire smoking ban shit actually has nothing to do with health, but health is just a convenient excuse to say "I don't like the way it smells" and have it banned.

    I think unhealthy foods/drinks should be banned so we don't have to look at obese people. Oops I meant because it's unhealthy...yeah that's the reason.


    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
    Not if you're smoking outside, "less than 50 feet from a building entrance."
    I can understand the inside smoking bans; but the smoking bans outside should be stopped. Secondhand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.


    Even though nobody can prove that secondhand smoking outside can cause health problems, still a lot of people have breathing problems like asthma and smoke causes them problems, but many any a times the smokers do not care to stop even after told repeatedly. No offense to any smokers but I don't want my clothes and body to suck of the smell just because they can't find a frigging smoking spot.
  • azureskyy20

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    Aug 08, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    paulflexes said
    TigerTim said
    paulflexes saidI like this statement:
    John RobbinsHealth experts tend to disagree about almost everything, but they all concur that added sugars play a key role in the obesity epidemic, a problem that now leads to more medical costs than smoking.
    So... smoking is banned in many places because of "potential health risks" but shitty food is perfectly legal. Something doesn't add up there. Sounds like the entire smoking ban shit actually has nothing to do with health, but health is just a convenient excuse to say "I don't like the way it smells" and have it banned.

    I think unhealthy foods/drinks should be banned so we don't have to look at obese people. Oops I meant because it's unhealthy...yeah that's the reason.


    No, by eating shitty food you can harm only yourself. But by smoking, you increase the likelihood of those around you to develop lung cancer.
    Not if you're smoking outside, "less than 50 feet from a building entrance."
    I can understand the inside smoking bans; but the smoking bans outside should be stopped. Secondhand smoke outside is not going to hurt anyone.


    You're right. It doesn't hurt anyone. Except people like me that have asthma to the point that just a few seconds of exposure is enought to cause me to have an attack and grab for an inhaler that I don't have the health insurance to purchase anymore. Oh..and I'm sure its my fault for being born with asthma too. And the fact that its not your problem makes it ok for you to whatever the hell you want whenever you want regardless of the people around you that it affects.
  • azureskyy20

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    Aug 08, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    Wow..I just read the first few posts of this topic and didn't even get down to the last post. But it seems like others have the same way of thinking I do. I believe its called being thoughtful of your fellow man.
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    azureskyy20 saidYou're right. It doesn't hurt anyone. Except people like me that have asthma to the point that just a few seconds of exposure is enought to cause me to have an attack and grab for an inhaler that I don't have the health insurance to purchase anymore. Oh..and I'm sure its my fault for being born with asthma too. And the fact that its not your problem makes it ok for you to whatever the hell you want whenever you want regardless of the people around you that it affects.
    You sound like one of those people who stand downwind and bitch and complain, instead of stepping upwind or politely explaining your situation and asking the smoker to step downwind.
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:45 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidOh come on...you think the millions of people that smoke worldwide do not create any carbon/pollution impact on the planet even though they are smoking outside? Of course not.


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    One California wildfire probably produces more carbon/pollution than a year of smokers worldwide. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
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    Aug 09, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle said
    paulflexes said
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidOh come on...you think the millions of people that smoke worldwide do not create any carbon/pollution impact on the planet even though they are smoking outside? Of course not.


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    One California wildfire probably produces more carbon/pollution than a year of smokers worldwide. icon_wink.gif



    Yeah, and it was probably causes by some cunt of an asshole who was smoking and did not properly put out his or her cigarette or matches.
    That is true. In fact, it's probably the cause of most wildfires.
    Irresponsible smokers are the reason smoking bans were created in the first place. The responsible people have some consideration and at least make an effort to be non-offensive with it.