To all of those considering to get on steroids

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    Aug 08, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    this is a picture of me(and my lil cousin) 3 years ago, sorry for the hair it was windy lol.

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    Being that said, I have never taken steroids in my life. Protein shakes, yes, Creatine yes, no pure creatine but its mixed in my shake sometimes, depends on what I get. If possible avoid steroids, the side effects arent pretty. Your face and skin texture will change for the worse. It is possible to get a nice built without using that shit, fuck it is.
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    Aug 08, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
    charlitos saidthis is a picture of me(and my lil cousin) 3 years ago, sorry for the hair it was windy lol.

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    Being that said, I have never taken steroids in my life. Protein shakes, yes, Creatine yes, no pure creatine but its mixed in my shake sometimes, depends on what I get. If possible avoid steroids, the side effects arent pretty. Your face and skin texture will change for the worse. It is possible to get a nice built without using that shit, fuck it is.


    Awesome man! But I kinda like you better skinny, but that's just me. I'm intimidated by your muscles. icon_redface.gif
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    Aug 08, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
    At least you were already hot to begin with.
    Oops did I just type that out loud?
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    Aug 09, 2010 12:50 AM GMT
    Ah, but you were built like a thoroughbred to begin with. (Great proportions.) But it's true, you are a poster boy for natural methods.
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    Aug 09, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    I was 125lbs same height 6"0...trust me anyone looks builtish while facing sunlight.
  • xcvbn

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    Aug 09, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    wow.

    impressive man.. excellent job
    what's your workout regiment like?
  • jgymnast733

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    Aug 09, 2010 12:58 AM GMT
    We're amongst friends here, its okay to tell them about our son [ pictured ], i loved you skinny and i love you buffed, your the only man for me my mandingo man....icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:06 AM GMT
    Wow, please please please be my trainer...........
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    We have a winner for the most fucking ridiculous post on RJ ^

    Brought to you by a bitter ex-RJ'er who nobody liked.

    whooomp, whooooooomp!
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    Roids take the struggle out of it and make instant gratification. I prefer to work for it
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    To REALADVICE: why should we listen to anything you have to say? Some points are true like dehydration, but that is the first thing you read on the instructions when taking creatine, so its not bad to take creatine but avoid reading instructions on how to take it.

    Your have no pics and have nothing filled in your profile at all. You are almost a non-existent person.
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    REALADVICE, where is your citation to go with your information quote?

    Here's something for those considering it. There are, in fact, benefits when used wisely. Please look at all the pages in this link.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/creatine/NS_patient-creatine

    -Doug
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    RealAdvice said
    Ciarsolo saidWe have a winner for the most fucking ridiculous post on RJ ^

    Brought to you by a bitter ex-RJ'er who nobody liked.

    whooomp, whooooooomp!


    Not bitter at all..it's just that a lot of guys look up to Charlitos for his big "water-filled" muscles of creatine. I rather give them some helpful advice that won't kill them in the long run. REAL ADVICE...

    So wipe that smirk off your peewee herman face Ciarsolo, cuz my post is full of win! icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:42 AM GMT
    RealAdvice saidGuess I'll be the one to come down on Charlitos hard...icon_lol.gif

    Charlitos...

    Taking CREATINE isn't natural, it causes you to store water in your muscles to make you look bigger. It's as fake as steroids or implants to use that shit!

    You should know better than that before offering your advice here, and telling people it's ok to use creatine and isolated protein powders when they can be just as damaging as steroids!


    Dangers of Creatine:

    "One of the biggest short-term risks in taking Creatine supplements is dehydration, which in some cases have become fatal. This is because included in the fluid that Creatine draws to muscles are the fluids that vital organs need to function. This means that people who take these supplements should make sure that they drink adequate amount of water. Other very common short-term risks include a higher incidence of muscle cramps, muscle pulls, and muscle tears. The reason given for these is that the high levels of fluid in the muscles as a result of fluid being drawn to them have made the muscles more vulnerable to these conditions. Other short-term risks include nausea, stomach pain, and diarrhea."

    "The limited literature on the long-term risks of Creatine supplementation has shown that there are areas of concerns that can provide the basis for studies on the long-term risks. One of these areas include the possibility that taking supplements for long time can cause kidney disorders, as there have been documented cases wherein kidney problems have been attributed
    to the long-term use of large doses of Creatine supplements."


    Most muscular guys find themselves much smaller looking when they get off of Creatine. That's the only reason why Charlitos looks so big in his photos, it's not that his muscles are huge, it's that the WATER IN HIS MUSCLES GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT HE IS MORE MUSCULAR than he actually is. So yeah Charlito's you are about as fake as BELLO with all that creatine in your muscles. So suck it! icon_biggrin.gif


    Isolated protein out of a jar isn't natural either, Excess protein is linked to liver & kidney damage as I'm sure you all should know about by now. It's better to only get protein from natural whole sources. Like that which is in meat/fish/eggs...and the best protein is that which is only slightly cooked or steamed. Raw proteins are more effective and healthier for you than their cooked counterparts. So I would only cook them lightly, medium rare for me.


    Some real advice: stfu hdp! icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    READVICE, your source is a registered dietitian and though her info is researched, we prefer the Mayo clinic's team of doctors and support staff.
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    Aug 09, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    Thanks for the post, Charlitos! Hope it helps convince others.

    And sorry REALADVICE, but I don't put a lot of stock in anything you've written for two reasons:
    1. Charlitos was only offering anecdotal evidence that steroids wasn't necessary to building muscle. He didn't claim expertise in nutrition science or make factual claims that he couldn't support with evidence. I agree that people shouldn't claim expertise or offer advice on topics with which they have little formal training, but Charlitos didn't do that. He shared his personal experience.

    2. You did make factual claims without supplying supporting evidence. With claims like that, I expect either i) evidence that you, personally, are an expert (e.g. possession of an advanced degree) or ii) if you are not an expert, references to your sources.

    I make no claim to training in nutrition science. However, a quick search turned up this article, published in the Journal of Athletic Training, which refutes your claims about the dangers of creatine.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2657025/?tool=pmcentrez

    Lopez RM, Casa DJ, McDermott BP, Ganio MS, Armstrong LE, Maresh CM (2009). "Does creatine supplementation hinder exercise heat tolerance or hydration status? A systematic review with meta-analyses". Journal of Athletic Training 44 (2): 215–23. doi:10.4085/1062-6050-44.2.215. PMID 19295968.
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    Inspired by an advice posted above:

    I read that Cayenne Pepper is an aphrodisiac food. But those people are so wrong. I ate loads of it before my date and was I shooting fire out of my ass all night long. I hate those stupid people they didn't say how too eat or when to stop, am not a scientist how am I supposed to know when to stop.
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    RealAdvice saidGuess I'll be the one to come down on Charlitos hard...icon_lol.gif

    Charlitos...

    Taking CREATINE isn't natural, it causes you to store water in your muscles to make you look bigger. It's as fake as steroids or implants to use that shit!

    You should know better than that before offering your advice here, and telling people it's ok to use creatine and isolated protein powders when they can be just as damaging as steroids!


    Dangers of Creatine:

    "One of the biggest short-term risks in taking Creatine supplements is dehydration, which in some cases have become fatal. This is because included in the fluid that Creatine draws to muscles are the fluids that vital organs need to function. This means that people who take these supplements should make sure that they drink adequate amount of water. Other very common short-term risks include a higher incidence of muscle cramps, muscle pulls, and muscle tears. The reason given for these is that the high levels of fluid in the muscles as a result of fluid being drawn to them have made the muscles more vulnerable to these conditions. Other short-term risks include nausea, stomach pain, and diarrhea."

    "The limited literature on the long-term risks of Creatine supplementation has shown that there are areas of concerns that can provide the basis for studies on the long-term risks. One of these areas include the possibility that taking supplements for long time can cause kidney disorders, as there have been documented cases wherein kidney problems have been attributed
    to the long-term use of large doses of Creatine supplements."


    Most muscular guys find themselves much smaller looking when they get off of Creatine. That's the only reason why Charlitos looks so big in his photos, it's not that his muscles are huge, it's that the WATER IN HIS MUSCLES GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT HE IS MORE MUSCULAR than he actually is. So yeah Charlito's you are about as fake as BELLO with all that creatine in your muscles. So suck it! icon_biggrin.gif


    Isolated protein out of a jar isn't natural either, Excess protein is linked to liver & kidney damage as I'm sure you all should know about by now. It's better to only get protein from natural whole sources. Like that which is in meat/fish/eggs...and the best protein is that which is only slightly cooked or steamed. Raw proteins are more effective and healthier for you than their cooked counterparts. So I would only cook them lightly, medium rare for me.


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    First of all, I dont abuse creatine like youre trying to make it sound. The one I have right now is mixed with proteins and energy boosters so I use it when I go to the gym at really odd hours like 2am in the morning or when im just feeling tired. I stop using suplements like creatine/protein every now and then, for 2 weeks, for 2 months, for 4 months it depends and my body doesnt change at all unless i stop working out, then my abs loose some definition.

    Second of all, I have a metabolism that doesn not allow me to process every meal as I wish. On top of that my stomach capacity is tiny, if I want to gain weight I cant rely on my regular meals only, especially when I barely have the time to have a proper meal and when I do I cant even handle big portions. With protein shakes I make sure my already worked muscles dont go on a protein strike.

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    Finally talking about a few of your "points"

    - Creatine causes dehydration? Yes it does, please google water.

    - Creatine is not natural? Yes it is. amino acids arginine, methionine, and glycine also known as Creatine is all natural and you can find it in every vertebrate.

    - The overuse of anything is unhealthy, creatine is not exception and any kidney damage provoked by the use of creatine hasnt been proven scientifically mainly due to the fact that its unlikely to happen unless you already have an existing condition and even then it is commonly associated with dehydration caused by the use of creatine and nothing else.

    source: http://www.healthnews.com/natural-health/vitamins-supplements/supplements-is-creatine-safe-3950.html?page=1

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    I dont know what your problem is, but who are you really? Seems like some already existing members create profiles to troll the forums. You can perfectly make good points and disagree without attacking other members. My point here was "do not take steroids, there are other healthier and more natural alternatives, they work long term, but they pay off if you really persist." I created this post my best intentions in order to encourage others. So please.... fuck off whoever you are just fuck off
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    Some facts about creatine (with many references to publications):
    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/WrestlingandCreatine.htm

    For those to lazy to read, it confirm realadvice point, also confirm the only two certain consequences is weight increase and better pure anaerobic effort (I could search for other sources, but pure anaerobic effort is when intentisity is max and duration less than 6 to 10 seconds).

    The weight increase is out of more water stored in muscle, the protein production increase is suspected by some but not established.

    The side effects like cramps and heat regulation issues sound possible (logical), but are not demonstrated.

    The danger for kidney and liver is supposed by some, can make sens at least for kidney, but is not proved.

    I my opinion, using creatine is not 'natural', but until proof of the opposite, not significantly more dangerous than an high protein diet.

    The only red flag is for taking creatine while already having bad kidney. It could increase the stress on malfunctionning kidney, and it's not worth the risk to get kidney failure.
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    My, my, what an acerbic discussion. I'll not wade too deeply into the debate, but I'm afraid I'll have to side with those who support the judicious use of creatine. It's actually the only supplement I use, and I've researched it fastidiously. I believe the advantage of creatine shouldn't be held to be the transient engorgement of the muscles as it enhances their appearance but instead the assistance it provides in maximizing a well contructed workout. This boost in effort leads to better long-term gains. This opinion is relatively widely held and supported in the medical literature as has already been referenced. I'm a family medicine physician with a particular interest in fitness.
  • SoDakGuy

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    Aug 09, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    Ugh. If you want to do steroids, DO IT.

    Be smart about it, do your research & work hard!
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
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    charlitos said
    - Creatine is not natural? Yes it is. amino acids arginine, methionine, and glycine also known as Creatine is all natural and you can find it in every vertebrate.


    I mean't isolated creatine that is taken outside of a whole food to me isn't natural.You can get a gram or so of it in fish and other meats, but there's other things to counteract the adverse side effects when it's taken how nature intended.

    charlitos said
    I dont know what your problem is, but who are you really? Seems like some already existing members create profiles to troll the forums. You can perfectly make good points and disagree without attacking other members.
    My point here was "do not take steroids, there are other healthier and more natural alternatives, they work long term, but they work if you if you persist." Please fuck off whoever you are.


    I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying your bigger body is the result of stored water within your muscles due to creatine use. I think it's constructive and fair to say. icon_rolleyes.gif


    to you it isnt natural? sorry but this is not about you.

    you are not attacking me? wtf is this:

    REALADVICE The lil angelWATER IN HIS MUSCLES GIVE THE APPEARANCE THAT HE IS MORE MUSCULAR than he actually is. So yeah Charlito's you are about as fake as BELLO with all that creatine in your muscles. So suck it!


    Not only me but also other member: BELLO. If youre not attacking please tell me what was your previous realjock username. Oh and please dont even try to insult our intelligence by stating that you just joined realjock.
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
    charlitos said

    I dont know what your problem is, but who are you really? Seems like some already existing members create profiles to troll the forums. You can perfectly make good points and disagree without attacking other members. My point here was "do not take steroids, there are other healthier and more natural alternatives, they work long term, but they pay off if you really persist." I created this post my best intentions in order to encourage others. So please.... fuck off whoever you are just fuck off



    I don't think I could have said it better myself.

    It bothers me to NO end when people feel they need to create fake profiles just for bitching.

    If you're not man enough to come out in the open, you just come across as bitter and petty. You lose all credibility in my book.

    Man up.

    And Charlitos: You've always been one of my faves. Keep it up.icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    sixxpack saidMy, my, what an acerbic discussion. I'll not wade too deeply into the debate, but I'm afraid I'll have to side with those who support the judicious use of creatine. It's actually the only supplement I use, and I've researched it fastidiously. I believe the advantage of creatine shouldn't be held to be the transient engorgement of the muscles as it enhances their appearance but instead the assistance it provides in maximizing a well contructed workout. This boost in effort leads to better long-term gains. This opinion is relatively widely held and supported in the medical literature as has already been referenced. I'm a family medicine physician with a particular interest in fitness.


    It's what I think about the evasive protein production increase.
    If creatine supplement allow 20% (I did read creaine supplement increase muscles stocks by 20%) longer work at max intensity, one can expect the body compensation will be higher too.

    This being said, phosocreatine is depleted in a matter of seconds, and the rebuild is done by endogenous process, so it won't sustain someone during a complete workout.
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    Aug 09, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
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    You take things too personally, I was merely poking fun. icon_lol.gif You even forgot the smiley after I said "So Suck it!"...which usually implies someone is kidding...or being a smart ass... Duh?

    Many articles say that those who stop taking creatine, shrink, as their muscles are no longer storing water/fluid, so they don't appear as big. You claim you stay the same. I find that hard to believe based on the different scientific data....

    Considering how you looked 3 years ago... I suspect it's the protein powder and creatine use that is working for you the most!


    What makes you think you can get all funny with me? Are you a Republican, answer the damn question, who the fuck are you