Kosovo...a new nation!

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    Feb 18, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    Kosovo declared its independence today! and they have hot guys there!!

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    Feb 18, 2008 2:02 AM GMT
    Do they recognize the civil rights of gays?
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    Feb 18, 2008 2:08 AM GMT
    The news was saying that they are Muslims and want to separate from the christian run gov.
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    Feb 18, 2008 2:15 AM GMT
    Kosovo is 90% albanian. There is the future possibility that Kosovo will unite with Albania.

    Kosovo is saying that they will protect the rights of the minority serbian population.

    So I was just wondering if somewhere in all their founding documents, they say that they will recognize gay rights too. I think most of western europe does that now.
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    Feb 18, 2008 7:13 AM GMT
    Given the likelihood of recognition of Kosovo as an independent, sovereign state by most of Europe, North America, et al., it will be interesting to see how this devolution of Serbia establishes precedent for similar movements elsewhere (particularly the Basque region of Spain and France and the Scottish movement toward greater independence).

    Applied on a larger scale, what may the recognition of Kosovo entail for the devolution / independence movements of Chechnya and Kurdistan?

    As for Kosovo's recognition of LGBTQ human rights, I have no found any information as to whether Kosovo's independence seeks to recognize these rights.

    Here are a couple of articles that discuss LGBTQ rights in relation to Kosovo:

    FrontLine: LGBT activists in Serbia, Bosnia and Kosovo speak of their struggle for human rights

    Wikipedia: LGBT rights in Serbia
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    Feb 18, 2008 8:04 AM GMT
    tommy, I like how you have the uncanny ability to cut to the chase and recognize the significance of world events lol
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    Feb 18, 2008 8:59 AM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidKosovo declared its independence today! and they have hot guys there!!


    no they dont they all live here!!!!!
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    Feb 18, 2008 12:45 PM GMT
    the guy with the glasses looks cute.

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    Feb 18, 2008 1:28 PM GMT
    I can smell a hot guy from over 3000 miles away, active.

    I should redo my blog...Change it to "Hot guys in the news"

    and as far as gay rights..u can tell these guys are gay. That one dude is wearing a scarf! and that really hot one in the front...his hand is way bigger than his face. doesn't that mean you're gay?
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    Feb 18, 2008 2:29 PM GMT
    This is interesting...90% of Kosovians are Albanians and muslim.

    During WWII...

    "Albania is unique in that it is the only European country occupied by the Nazis that ended World War II with a larger Jewish population than before the War. The Albanian response to the Holocaust is especially notable because it was Europe's only largely Muslim country. Even so only a Jewish family of six was deported and killed during the Nazi occupation of Albania.[18] Not only did the Albanians protect their own Jews, but they provided refuge for Jews from neighboring countries. The Albanians refused to comply and hand over lists of Jews. Instead they provided the Jewish families with forged documents and helped them disperse in the Albanian population.[19]

    In February 1944, when the Nazis descended upon the mountain hiding place, not a single Jew fell into their hands.[20] During the Holocaust, Albania was the only country in Europe that protected and sheltered its entire Jewish population, both native and foreign.[21] There was no history of ideological anti-Semitism in Albania so it was unique in this regard.[22] The small number of Jews in Albania also played a key role in the possibility to protect them all. During the Italian occupation, they were able to disperse and blend in with the general population. However, the role of the Albanian population as a whole in saving Jews is undeniable."

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    Feb 18, 2008 9:23 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidand as far as gay rights..u can tell these guys are gay. That one dude is wearing a scarf! and that really hot one in the front...his hand is way bigger than his face. doesn't that mean you're gay?
    Well I thought the scarf was because it was cold, but I am probably wrong since I don't have your uncanny gift. However, I did notice that Harry Potter (without his glasses) is next to the guy with the scarf .. that is gay by association. Also the guy in the scarf .. one of his hands is hidden in the proximity of Harry's rear end ..
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    Feb 18, 2008 9:48 PM GMT
    Caslon:
    I am originaly from Kosovo, and the citizens of Kosovo are 90% Albanians, but their religious preference is somewhat mixed, some of them are Catholics, and some of them are Muslims, yet they identify themselves as one nation, so by overcoming religious issues they only want to separate from Serbians and have their own country. The aspiration for their own country existed back from 1981 and they decided to make it happen after the 1999 war, where Serbs slaughtered many Albanians that lived in rural areas of Kosovo.
    As for the gay rights, they are pretty conservative, because the only large city in Kosovo is Prishtina, and the rest of it is somewhat rural, so the gay issues are kind of taboo over there.
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    Feb 19, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    See?!? I told you Kosovo has hot guys...look at hunter..

    I'd brave crazy war stuff and land mines and women in burkas to meet him.

    (well, probably not the first two things, but the women in burkas can't be so bad, right?)

    oh and active? You're remarkably good at this...
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    Feb 19, 2008 4:03 AM GMT
    Hot perhaps, but I don't think I could date, fuck or be in relationship with a guy from a war torn, or in a country in political unrest. I'm happy the part it all where they achieved independence, but it's the part where they fight and kill in the name of all that is "good" that bothers me.

    This new country of Kosovo is pretty close to Greece. I wonder if they've intermixed into a new nationality of stud muffin, or just a new killer who likes man ass?

    Another thing, their flag looks a bit like the old Polish national flag. I wonder what the symbolism is in that?
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    Feb 19, 2008 4:36 AM GMT
    Congrats to the Kosovars! I used to work as an attorney at the Int'l War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague, assigned to the Milosevic trial . . .

    Serbian actions in trying to ethnically cleanse Kosovo have left the Serbs with no moral right to prevent the Kosovars from seceding from Serbia! In my humble opinion.
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    Feb 19, 2008 5:28 AM GMT
    tommysguns2000 said(well, probably not the first two things, but the women in burkas can't be so bad, right?)
    Well, In america when you put a bag over a woman's head, it is not a good sign icon_cry.gif
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    Feb 19, 2008 8:54 AM GMT
    boiwunderkind:
    Little newsflash- Kosovars aren't the ones who fight and KILL for what is as you say,*good*...
    If you ever saw war footage on the TV, you'd see that Serbs were the ones that slaughtered millions of innocent people, not only on Kosovo, but also in Bosnia and Croatia, maybe 6 years before they decided to attack Kosovo, and why? For great Serbia, they would say. If you just look through the history Serbs were the ones initiating the wars, hell it was a Serbian guy who assasinated Franz Ferdinand and started World War I...okay I am getting too geekyicon_redface.gif

    and tommysguns2000:
    you wouldn't have to brave anythingicon_wink.gif
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    Feb 19, 2008 1:05 PM GMT
    It all boils down to religion, don't it?

    Once these slavic people were one, Christians. Then turks came and converted some. And now, the Christians are slaughtering the 'muslim' Albanians claiming they're invaders when they probably share the same bloodline.

    Also I once read an article about how someone basically drew the wrong boundaries. They assigned a lot of ethnically Albanian territory to Yugoslavia. I think. icon_confused.gif

    Anyhow, the two headed eagle has always been the Albanian emblem. I think Poland has an eagle, but not with two heads.

    And oh yeah, before I forget, damned_hunter, will you marry me? (ignore tommysguns he's my bodyguard) LOL
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    Feb 19, 2008 2:18 PM GMT
    damned_hunter,

    I'm not fond of war, it's victims or victimizers, and yes I'm clueless when it comes to European politics. I'm sorry I don't know the details behind what's going on in your part of the world, but nevertheless, I still feel the same way about dating guys who are subject to such injustices. A lot of people on here will patronize and play that they have a geniune interest, when they'll probably turn to the next political intrique and forget you thereafter.

    I'm not going to bother to be your friend for the sake of heresay. Yes, I'm sorry I may have offended you by being so ignorant of the whole of your situation. But, as much as I'd like to sign another petition to help end another war in a country I know little or nothing about. I cannot.

    I don't know if you noticed, but your words and my own may just fall on deaf ears, or only be subject to online bickering; which isn't too intelligent in of itself. I mean this very thread opened up with:

    tommysguns2000 saidKosovo declared its independence today! and they have hot guys there!!

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    I don't know, is he more interested in the fact that guys were "hot!", or that a country actually gained it's freedom. I don't see those two issues having equal importance... do you?
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    Feb 20, 2008 3:57 PM GMT
    Cute guys aside, Al Qaeda sent fighters to help Kosovo get indendence, so did President Clinton. I see this as a dangerous presedence.
    Imagine if such a thing happened here in the US. What if resident Mexican Americans and illegal aliens began a guerrilla war here in the US to wrest the south western states and California from the United States?
    Do you think that would be a problem? The same applies to Kosovo.
    NATO had no business getting involved back in the 90s and it will come to haunt us in the future.
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    Feb 20, 2008 4:02 PM GMT
    John, I don't think you can argue that a group of people do not deserve independence based on the groups that support them, rather the reasons they state for independence. I will admit that I am pretty ignorant as to the details behind this, but if America was ethnically cleansing California, then yes, I think California would have good reason to seek secession.
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    Feb 21, 2008 10:56 AM GMT
    John43620Cute guys aside, Al Qaeda sent fighters to help Kosovo get indendence, so did President Clinton. I see this as a dangerous presedence.
    Imagine if such a thing happened here in the US. What if resident Mexican Americans and illegal aliens began a guerrilla war here in the US to wrest the south western states and California from the United States?
    Do you think that would be a problem? The same applies to Kosovo.
    NATO had no business getting involved back in the 90s and it will come to haunt us in the future.


    Who else would help them?

    Does most Albanians being muslims make them ineligible for aid when obviously harassed by a much more powerful ethnic group?

    It's precisely this thinking that promotes anti-Americanism. You all take it through the myopic American viewpoint.

    America did nothing to help the mujahideen too, and look where that lead to - Taliban.

    What you don't understand about the conflict in Bosnia is that the Albanians aren't like the Mexicans in the US. They lived all their lives on the territories which were only handed to Serbian control because the WWII superpowers were too preoccupied in their own dividing of the spoils to make sure if they were placing the right national boundaries. Kosovars aren't immigrants, most are simply slavs converted by the Turkish invasion in the past.

    The country was theirs, in the first place. A better example you would have given is if the Native Americans decide to retake their homeland, which god knows they have every right to, given how much suffering they've had under the hands of the US government in the earlier centuries.

    That said, you'd have let the Serbs continue slaughtering Albanians and other minorites simply for the reason that it may threaten your own security in the future?! WTF.

    It's like back in World War I & II, the US was blissfully complacent while millions of jews were being slaughtered by Hitler. Only deciding to jump in when the Japs shoved it up their throats and a U-boat took a potshot at Lusitania.

    Have you seen the mass graves?

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    Feb 21, 2008 8:58 PM GMT
    Okay...
    First thing, John43620:
    You don't have a slightest idea what was going on on Kosovo, and your statement that Al Qaeda helped out Kosovars is just absurd. How is it possible that Al Qaeda AND Americans helped out Kosovo TOGETHER???
    You should know, it was Serbian propaganda that depicted Kosovars as muslim terrorists, when everybody knows that there are catholic albanians on Kosovo as well...Even Tribunal of the Hague knows that...

    And second:
    Comparing Mexican Americans and illegal aliens with Albanians is just ridiculous...albanians are the ONLY true descendants of Ilirs, an ancient civilisation that used to live on Balkans...
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    Feb 22, 2008 12:19 AM GMT
    Nope, your wrong. Everything was fine until the Albanian Kosovars invented the Kosovar Liberation Army (KLA) and started a guerrilla war against the Serbs. Like the cowards they are, they would go out and fight a little and then run back to their villages and hide among the "civilians". Since the "Civilians" are complicit with the guerrillas, they invite attack and deserved what they got. They had Al Qaeda right along side them too.
    Although not a part of Kosovo, Sarajevo was Al Qaeda's main recruiting office, it may still be. The Albanian Mafia supports the KLA and Al Qaeda with trafficking in narcotics and sex slaves.
    America's on the wrong side of this conflict. We should be helping the Serbs reclaim their territory, or just get out of the way.
    The only reason we're in this mess in the first place is because of that idiot Bill Clinton wanting to divert attention away from Monica. You people claim the war in Iraq is illegal, but it isn't, the NATO involvment in the Balkans was a clear violation of the NATO charter. The US sent forces to bomb Serbia without Congressional approval. The Serbs are the enemy of our enemy, we should support them.

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    Feb 22, 2008 10:39 AM GMT
    Don't you tell me I am wrong, by your post I can tell you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
    Guerrila war against the Serbs???WTF???
    You must be crazy... What pisses me off the most is the fact that people like you come here and start arguing about things they are so ignorant about...And please cut the c**p with Al Qaeda thing...Al Qaeda has no place on Kosovo or Sarajevo...I'd suggest you do some reading and do watch some international news...DO YOU EVEN KNOW how much innocent peope have Serbs slaughtered on Kosovo, how many families were killed, women and little girls raped??? Americans have prevented Serbs from further killing, I don't see what's wrong with that,see the pic of that mass grave? Well, there are HUNDREDS of them...I don't think it's the Serbs burried in them...
    You have absolutely no right in discussing about this, so you might as well stop with that BS of yours.