Does anyone else feel like everyone and everything is so fake these days? Is consumerism the problem? or we all so selfish that we ignore the problems going on around us?

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    Aug 09, 2010 7:53 PM GMT


    Seriously..how can people smile and fake being happy with everything that is going on around the world? People in civilized countries are just get better at tuning it all out and ignoring it? It's a neverending problem, people are dying, starving, being killed, and yet all I and many others do is try to focus on our little petti problems. Nobody I know has dedicated their life to helping those in need. I feel like I want to give back somehow, not by donating, but by example, but sometimes I feel like it's all a lost cause.
    Fires are burning in Russia, Africa, and California. Sometimes I wish they would just engulf everything, why not? Look at us as a human race, doing everything as we are told. Programmed since conception, went to school, college like good little soldiers, now working until we retire or die. Building more & more machines and coming up with half-assed technological advances when we can't even help out others in need. It's a sad world. It's easy to ignore, but when you don't ignore it, it tends to overwhelm your very core. Such a lost cause. I can't wait for 2012! I really hope we become extinguished. I feel we've failed as a human race.

    Most of us on this forum and in the world, care more about our own selfish needs than others. I feel it's too late to really make a change now. A century of fakers is all we ever were. How do you feel about this song? and my thoughts?
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    Aug 09, 2010 8:05 PM GMT
    This is the US. Our job is not to help people. Our job is to get rich by making others "think" we're helping people. Starting non-profit organizations is one of the quickest ways to gain wealth, which is much more important than all those peasants out there starving. They should learn to fend for themselves.

    /sarcasm
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    Aug 09, 2010 8:09 PM GMT
    First thing you can do is sell your computer, then everything else you have and donate it to the poor. After you've done all that come back and let us all know how many people you were able to save from dying.

    I've learned that we must simply do what we can according to our convictions to help others around us but in the end we can always be accused of not doing enough. We can't all help where we are born either.
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    Aug 09, 2010 8:16 PM GMT
    That's the problem, it all seems like a lost cause. The news and people tend to make you feel guilty for not helping out, or eating meat, or just living for yourself. It's an endless cycle. I kinda feel like we were never mean't to know about other people's ordeals, just what's going on in our local community but of course globalization has taken over.

    And perhaps certain people were mean't to go extinct, like certain animals eventually have gone extinct over time. So maybe it's just a natural cycle of sorts. Ehh ..who knows. Why do I even care. And that song is fucking depressing, why did I even create this thread. lol
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    Aug 09, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
    CenturyOfFakers saidThat's the problem, it all seems like a lost cause. The news and people tend to make you feel guilty for not helping out, or eating meat, or just living for yourself. It's an endless cycle. I kinda feel like we were never mean't to know about other people's ordeals, just what's going on in our local community but of course globalization has taken over.

    And perhaps certain people were mean't to go extinct, like certain animals eventually have gone extinct over time. So maybe it's just a natural cycle of sorts. Ehh ..who knows. Why do I even care. And that song is fucking depressing, why did I even create this thread. lol


    Well, I personally don't eat meat but it's more for selfish/personal reasons than to save the planet.

    And it's okay, we all go through what you are at some point in time. Talking about it at times helps us to be more compassionate though, which is a good thing.
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    Aug 09, 2010 8:40 PM GMT
    I'm speaking as someone not from the USA.

    In my area I don't see much poverty during the day it's an upper middle class neighborhood full of shops, places to eat, banks, people enjoying life, it's not until nightfalls and the cartoneros (sorry don't know the English term) come to sort through the trash to take the recycables for money, they aren't dangerous, mind their own business and this is how they support their families and if I happen to have food in my hand or a drink, I do offer it to them more often then not cause I see their struggle.

    On the same token I have become hardened with streets kids, and refuse to give them money that they beg for- I don't even offer food anymore half the time it gets thrown or spit at me. It is heart breaking to see, but these kids just beg and give the money collected to their drunk parents. Unlike the catoneros, this kids will have no problem robbing or killing you for as little as $2 pesos.

    I don't generally watch the news cause it's always depressing, I skim it online though to keep update with world events.

    I'm Argentine and O+, so I will never ever stop eating meat!!!! icon_cool.gif

    In closing, I help where I can and within my means.
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    Aug 09, 2010 9:59 PM GMT
    as a citizen from a third world country, i can speak on this matter: one thing is what the media in first world countries sells about the role of foreign politics and another way too different is what it is actually being done...
    it is just a matter of opening one's eyes and doing some critical thinking about the influence of the media in the society. America (which is not correct at all to say when referring to the US because in case you hadn't been told, there are three of them: Norther, Central and Southern) is claimed to be a land of freedom and oportunities. That might be true for those who have been born there, not for people in pursuit of the american dream...
    America claims to bring democracy and civilaztion to the countries in lack of it, that is what CNN says but as far as it goes here, in my land, that is just false. Our oil has been taken away for ages by American companies which set prices that are only convenient to them. And I could go on and on, but I am afraid of being censuredand targeted.
    And one more thing: while left overs of deliciously american kitchen hoime made foods are every day thrown to the garbage, hundreds of people in my land go to bed starving.
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    KepaArg saidcartoneros (sorry don't know the English term)
    Not a direct translation, but closest possible word is "homeless."
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    Aug 09, 2010 10:29 PM GMT
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    KepaArg saidcartoneros (sorry don't know the English term)
    Not a direct translation, but closest possible word is "homeless."


    no, it's not that word, haha I know that one icon_smile.gif ... the word stems from that they take all the cardboard to be recycled...they actually do have homes known as villas.
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    Aug 09, 2010 10:33 PM GMT
    I can only imagine the original poster is simply young or absurdly naive. By any metric the human condition has improved substantially over the past few decades. Look at nutrition, income, etc. - yes, thanks to technology often developed in the western world.

    Even more absurd is the comment about food wastage in the US as if this would have any impact on the policies of third world governments and their protectionist trade policies or arcane property rights laws that restrict commercialized farming. Of course the US and Europe does not help things with their massive farm subsidies and food aid.

    Far too little blame and responsibility is put on local foreign governments for the messes that they themselves make although clearly at least in some cases, their demagoguery blaming western governments is working.
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    Aug 09, 2010 10:41 PM GMT
    CenturyOfFakers said A century of fakers is all we ever were. How do you feel about this song? and my thoughts?


    Appropriate that the comment comes from someone whose profile is hidden, so that we can't tell anything about him....even if he is a faker himself.

    As to the post? Sounds like a lot of whining to me....since, as others have pointed out, there is much evidence to the contrary.
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    Aug 09, 2010 10:59 PM GMT
    This is central to the idea of why gay people aren't able to unite and demonstrate on a national level (a March on Washington, etc). We have no platform that includes critical issues that affect each and every gay person (marriage is not one of those issues - it is for someone who is in a relationship headed for marriage or who wants that). The selfishness of the community has become one where we are fighting for our own personal issues rather than looking at other gay and lesbian citizens and really watching out for each other with empathy, compassion and concern. I'm not of an age where I can remember a time like that, but I know gay men and women who did stick together and work together to fight so we could be treated like human beings rather than sick, mentally ill perverts that a lot of people made us out to be. We forget this. No matter how much we try to one-up each other, no matter how much we belittle and emasculate other gay men, on some level we are all in the same boat. But because we are still on the lowest end of the totem pole, the only people we are allowed to tear apart are other gay men. So that's who we go after. We're too scared to go after the real people who made our lives as complicated as they are today (possibly our parents, siblings, straight society, other gays). That's too much work. And we can't do that from whatever gay friendly, comfy big city we live in. It means going to a small town where you're the only gay person for a 100 mile radius.

    And that's our problem when it comes to false illusions. We put on this image of community and unity when it's nothing more than geographical convenience. For the most part the only thing we have in common is that we are attracted to the same sex - and that's where it ends. Yet there are still too few of us to realistically pair us up to make a lot of perfect matches and potential relationships. Racial minorities in the past may have stayed together or helped each other out because there were often children involved, and there were low paying jobs that required long hours because higher (or any) education was denied to these communities. That is not what gay people face today. If anything we have too much money and too much education, to the extent where we can afford to isolate from other gay people, giving the implication that 'I'm too good to be seen around these people' or 'I'll only go to a gay event or function only if I know in advance who is going to be there and what they look like'. That SMACKS of 'me, me, me, right now, right now, right now.' We can't seem to let go of that rich-bitch 15 year old girl who lives inside of us and grow the fuck up. But we can't have kids (realistically). Most of us are not finding relationships after years of trying. Why should we grow up? Where is the incentive? If nobody is pushing us to do anything positive, and if isolate ourselves from one another long enough, who cares? That's what we face. The internet was supposed to bring gay people together in a society where that had been denied from us for many, many years. Instead it has become a new way of refusing to ever come out, and stay in a closet that includes a computer screen and a view into a world that the person wants no part of in real life. We have probably hundreds of thousands of men in 2010 who, 15 years ago, would have had to come out - because there was no alternative. Now they can feel it out online first, look at what's waiting for them after coming out, and say to themselves 'no fucking way' - these are, unfortunately, the men who blow their brains out or are found hanging in the garage by someone who either had no idea or knew that this was bound to happen, but was afraid to say anything.

    I don't want to go so far as to say that gay men are unfeeling, selfish people who have a borderline personality disorder, but we really need to get our shit together when it comes to how we treat each other. You have no idea who is on the other end of that computer. You might be the last person they talk to before they finally decide 'I can't live another day, there's no way out of this, I'm done'. We can't ignore the problems around us anymore. All we can do is what is in our power and in our community. Be someone that you would be proud of.
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    Aug 09, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
    icon_biggrin.gifWell, you will never see the end of this, and the reason why is the basic concept of scarcity. There are finite resources and infinite needs and wants and unfortunately even if you didn't buy that diet coke there would still be other problems.

    Let's look at the bright side of innovation, through these same struggles of consumerism we have come up with treatment for HIV, penicillan, technology that can process 1 trillion bank transfers per day electronically instead of someone's wrists becoming injured with carpel tunnel, with everyone making there own transfers online, it spreads the work level to those to whom it matters, the one making the transfer and in need of the transfer.

    The world has always had problems, people only lived until 40 and might have died of a bacterial infection in years past. It's not any different than the tragedies that we see today, but I think quality of life has improved even since I was a kid.

    So, try not to get depressed, because no matter what you will be depressed if you only look at the bad things that are happening; there's no way to avoid unpleasant events, not in any world, commercial or not.

    So LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP AND GET BACK TO WORK !! icon_biggrin.gif Haha
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    Aug 10, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
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    What an uplifting OP.

    Most of us are just trying to make the best of our short lives on this earth. I think the majority of people try to help their fellow man along the way.
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    DuluthMN saidThis is central to the idea of why gay people aren't able to unite and demonstrate on a national level (a March on Washington, etc). We have no platform that includes critical issues that affect each and every gay person (marriage is not one of those issues - it is for someone who is in a relationship headed for marriage or who wants that). The selfishness of the community has become one where we are fighting for our own personal issues rather than looking at other gay and lesbian citizens and really watching out for each other with empathy, compassion and concern. I'm not of an age where I can remember a time like that, but I know gay men and women who did stick together and work together to fight so we could be treated like human beings rather than sick, mentally ill perverts that a lot of people made us out to be. We forget this. No matter how much we try to one-up each other, no matter how much we belittle and emasculate other gay men, on some level we are all in the same boat. But because we are still on the lowest end of the totem pole, the only people we are allowed to tear apart are other gay men. So that's who we go after. We're too scared to go after the real people who made our lives as complicated as they are today (possibly our parents, siblings, straight society, other gays). That's too much work. And we can't do that from whatever gay friendly, comfy big city we live in. It means going to a small town where you're the only gay person for a 100 mile radius.

    And that's our problem when it comes to false illusions. We put on this image of community and unity when it's nothing more than geographical convenience. For the most part the only thing we have in common is that we are attracted to the same sex - and that's where it ends. Yet there are still too few of us to realistically pair us up to make a lot of perfect matches and potential relationships. Racial minorities in the past may have stayed together or helped each other out because there were often children involved, and there were low paying jobs that required long hours because higher (or any) education was denied to these communities. That is not what gay people face today. If anything we have too much money and too much education, to the extent where we can afford to isolate from other gay people, giving the implication that 'I'm too good to be seen around these people' or 'I'll only go to a gay event or function only if I know in advance who is going to be there and what they look like'. That SMACKS of 'me, me, me, right now, right now, right now.' We can't seem to let go of that rich-bitch 15 year old girl who lives inside of us and grow the fuck up. But we can't have kids (realistically). Most of us are not finding relationships after years of trying. Why should we grow up? Where is the incentive? If nobody is pushing us to do anything positive, and if isolate ourselves from one another long enough, who cares? That's what we face. The internet was supposed to bring gay people together in a society where that had been denied from us for many, many years. Instead it has become a new way of refusing to ever come out, and stay in a closet that includes a computer screen and a view into a world that the person wants no part of in real life. We have probably hundreds of thousands of men in 2010 who, 15 years ago, would have had to come out - because there was no alternative. Now they can feel it out online first, look at what's waiting for them after coming out, and say to themselves 'no fucking way' - these are, unfortunately, the men who blow their brains out or are found hanging in the garage by someone who either had no idea or knew that this was bound to happen, but was afraid to say anything.

    I don't want to go so far as to say that gay men are unfeeling, selfish people who have a borderline personality disorder, but we really need to get our shit together when it comes to how we treat each other. You have no idea who is on the other end of that computer. You might be the last person they talk to before they finally decide 'I can't live another day, there's no way out of this, I'm done'. We can't ignore the problems around us anymore. All we can do is what is in our power and in our community. Be someone that you would be proud of.


    well, said.
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    DEAR HIDDEN OP!

    Apparently you are so caught in guilt that you overlook the valuable lesson people suffering from extreme poverty, starvation, and lack of love can inspire and contribute to the world.

    But if you really want to lesson your guilt and enrich your compassion towards the less fortunate or undesirables of the world!? first stop for a moment and just observe the smiling happy and bright eyed expression of those around you who are poor, unemployed, homeless, terminally ill, and those who are lonely and unloved because of their looks.


    Leandro ♥
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    Aug 10, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    So you're unhappy about selfish people not helping their fellow man
    enough, and your solution is, "I can't wait for 2012! I really hope we become extinguished. I feel we've failed as a human race."

    Well, that's probably THE most selfish thing I've ever read.

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    enough, and your solution is, "I can't wait for 2012! I really hope we become extinguished. I feel we've failed as a human race."

    Well, that's probably THE most selfish thing I've ever read.


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    Aug 10, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
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    Seriously..how can people smile and fake being happy with everything that is going on around the world? People in civilized countries are just get better at tuning it all out and ignoring it? It's a neverending problem, people are dying, starving, being killed, and yet all I and many others do is try to focus on our little petti problems. Nobody I know has dedicated their life to helping those in need. I feel like I want to give back somehow, not by donating, but by example, but sometimes I feel like it's all a lost cause.
    Fires are burning in Russia, Africa, and California. Sometimes I wish they would just engulf everything, why not? Look at us as a human race, doing everything as we are told. Programmed since conception, went to school, college like good little soldiers, now working until we retire or die. Building more & more machines and coming up with half-assed technological advances when we can't even help out others in need. It's a sad world. It's easy to ignore, but when you don't ignore it, it tends to overwhelm your very core. Such a lost cause. I can't wait for 2012! I really hope we become extinguished. I feel we've failed as a human race.

    Most of us on this forum and in the world, care more about our own selfish needs than others. I feel it's too late to really make a change now. A century of fakers is all we ever were. How do you feel about this song? and my thoughts?



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    Aug 10, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Hillie saidDid anyone care to look at this morons screen name/handleicon_rolleyes.gif


    Yes, I did. And I pointed out that he's a fake himself. So that disallows his whole OP, in my book.
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    Aug 10, 2010 4:54 AM GMT
    I didn't listen to the song, but yeah I feel like we here, especially in the States, have learned to just consume, consume, consume. Feeding our every whim. We've never been taught to sacrifice. We could site example after example, but let's look at gasoline and cars. The 70s were a wake-up call that we had an over-dependence of foreign oil. Our cars were too big. We could have done something to build an economy around research and development of alternative fuels back then, but no. A short fifteen/twenty years later, we were driving SUVs and Hummers. There are so many other examples of our superficial we've become. How immune we've become to what's happening to the world and our neighbors.

    I don't want to be cynical, but it's really hard to be optimistic that we have the power to change things that have been on the wrong course for so long.
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    Hillie saidDid anyone care to look at this morons screen name/handleicon_rolleyes.gif

    Yes, I did. And I pointed out that he's a fake himself. So that disallows his whole OP, in my book.

    Concur. No discussion. icon_razz.gif