Two co-workers fired--one for sleeping, one for shushing the boss; did they deserve it?

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    Aug 09, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    So, like the title says, two of my co-workers were let go, within days of each other. The first was let go for what was considered insubordination, when he shushed the boss and told him 'let me finish!', when trying to give his side of a story. The second was let go after she was caught head down and sound asleep at her desk.

    Maybe Im just a softie but firing them both seems so extreme. Yes, they were wrong and deserved some type of corrective action, but terminated after their first offenses? I dont know, just seems harsh to me.

    What do you think, if you were in the boss's shoes would you have done the same?
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    Aug 10, 2010 12:11 AM GMT
    The economy sucks. Shitloads of great workers are looking for work. Bosses are now able to be pickier, and will fire their less desired workers in a heartbeat to give a potentially better worker a chance.

    Not sure if I'd do the same thing because it depends on the employee's prior performance. If they sucked, yeah I'd do the same thing.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 10, 2010 12:22 AM GMT
    I don't agree they should have been fired. Both of them should have been talked about their behavior and given a warning. Also, I think their track record as an employee should be taken into account.

    I had a difficult time with a past boss, cause I felt she lacked any leadership qualities, and screaming my name across the office to come to her desk to show me something really irked me, I addressed her on the on issue in which she ignored and continued to do it.

    The last straw was her stealing ideas and using them as her own and not giving credit where it was due.

    So, I did much worse then falling asleep or shhhhhhing her as we have union laws here. I came to work late everyday, took 2-3 hour lunch breaks, planned all my dentist and medical exams during work hours, slept, watched tv, streamed movies, talked on my phone while walking around the office for 6 months until they could legally fire me with a hefty 6 month pay out of my salary, on top of paying my health care for 3 months,

    I ended up getting a much better job a week later that I enjoyed and recently resigned from to join the airlines!
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    Aug 10, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
    It seems a little harsh, but it is really hard to say without knowing all the facts. Are you privy to what information was in their files to know if this was really their first offense? You said the one guy shushed the boss while giving his side of the story. Was the 'shushing' the second offense and whatever he was giving his side of the story on was the first? Were they productive at their jobs? Watch the next few days and see if they are replaced. If they are not, perhaps the company was looking to downsize and your two former coworkers made the choice easy.
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    Aug 10, 2010 3:09 AM GMT
    heartrobb saidIt seems a little harsh, but it is really hard to say without knowing all the facts. Are you privy to what information was in their files to know if this was really their first offense? You said the one guy shushed the boss while giving his side of the story. Was the 'shushing' the second offense and whatever he was giving his side of the story on was the first? Were they productive at their jobs? Watch the next few days and see if they are replaced. If they are not, perhaps the company was looking to downsize and your two former coworkers made the choice easy.


    Oh yea, I have all the info; my best friend is the HR assistant and she has a big mouth and tells me everything. icon_lol.gif For instance, I happen to know that I, for some reason, make more than several people with more experience. But thats another story...

    Anyway, it was indeed the first offense for both. They both had a great record and positive reviews. That's why its so surprising to me that they were let go so easily. I'll definitely have to watch MY step, because Ive certainly done worse, and have yet to be disciplined either. It's clear now that no one is safe....
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    Aug 10, 2010 3:20 AM GMT
    Oldscorp said
    heartrobb saidIt seems a little harsh, but it is really hard to say without knowing all the facts. Are you privy to what information was in their files to know if this was really their first offense? You said the one guy shushed the boss while giving his side of the story. Was the 'shushing' the second offense and whatever he was giving his side of the story on was the first? Were they productive at their jobs? Watch the next few days and see if they are replaced. If they are not, perhaps the company was looking to downsize and your two former coworkers made the choice easy.


    Oh yea, I have all the info; my best friend is the HR assistant and she has a big mouth and tells me everything. icon_lol.gif For instance, I happen to know that I, for some reason, make more than several people with more experience. But thats another story...

    Anyway, it was indeed the first offense for both. They both had a great record and positive reviews. That's why its so surprising to me that they were let go so easily. I'll definitely have to watch MY step, because Ive certainly done worse, and have yet to be disciplined either. It's clear now that no one is safe....
    I hope someone from your work isn't on this site, recognize you, and find this post. icon_wink.gif
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    Aug 10, 2010 6:55 AM GMT
    Im pretty positive Im safe. Not to be mean, but, not one single person I work with knows what the inside of a gym looks like, so Im certain they wouldnt be cruising a fitness site. icon_lol.gif
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    Aug 10, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    The reality of an corpoation today is to cut corners to save money. They'll prob hire someone for less pay. Any good director who respects his/her position knows the importance of making your employees feel heard reguardless is there rt or wrg.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Aug 10, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    I agree that it sounds pretty harsh. A written warning would have seemed more appropriate, but then I don't know the history with the company of the two people fired.

    That said, in this job market, people with jobs need to stay on their toes and be at the top of their game because, if you're not, there are plenty of willing and able unemployed people ready to step in and stay awake at the job and not shsssssh the boss.