FACEBOOK, AOL, YOUTUBE, AND EBAY CITED FOR HOMOPHOBIC EMPLOYEES (Facebook contacted me)

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    Aug 11, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    Update: Facebook contacted me today. Read the email further down.

    This has been a constant nightmare for me, and now I'm doing something about it. Check out the video below where I was recently refused advertising on Facebook. I was also refused advertising on Youtube, because they say they only want ads on "family-friendly" content. Would you say the clip below mine, where a kid talks about fucking cats and cumming in each other's faces family friendly? They're allowing ads on that. Please send me links to explicit content on Youtube where ads are displayed on the video itself. I'll be contacting the media about it.




    Is this "family-friendly" content?



    How about this? Love the video, but he's allowed ads? Vaginas, bitch, etc?

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    Aug 11, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidGENITALIA!

    WHUUUUUT???!



    LOL...that tune was catchy. icon_smile.gif


    If it were a guy saying "Show me your penis," would Youtube allow that to have advertisements on it? They'd probably remove it.

    So here's the problem, how can one be allowed and the other not? Youtube moderators make quick judgment calls, and you got to know that if they are anti-gay, the are going to deny those ads or videos more often.

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    Aug 11, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    Why are you contacting the media about this? Youtube is owned by google and can operate however it pleases so long as it abides by the law. Let the good people at youtube live their lives, I personally enjoy the website.
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    Aug 11, 2010 2:50 AM GMT
    Silly rabbit? Don't you know everyone in the US is anti-gay? Like DUH! The Republicans want us in concentration camps, and the Democrats are too afraid of losing votes to support us. We're fucked all around. And you just found this out?
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    Aug 11, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
    Contact Leslie Stahl (spelling?) on 60 Minutes. She could do a whole feature on this kind of homophobia.
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    Aug 11, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
    djaj saidWhy are you contacting the media about this? Youtube is owned by google and can operate however it pleases so long as it abides by the law. Let the good people at youtube live their lives, I personally enjoy the website.


    Will you enjoy it when you find out they removed your content but allow others with similar content because they are straight?

    Is it abiding by the law to have a set of guidelines that are randomly used to remove some videos, but ignored on others?
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:00 AM GMT
    Hey Vic, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Your video was very informative, factual and not over dramatized. Very good.
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:01 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said
    Is it abiding by the law to have a set of guidelines that are randomly used to remove some videos, but ignored on others?


    I think so, yes.
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidHey Vic, thanks for bringing this to our attention. Your video was very informative, factual and not over dramatized. Very good.


    Thanks man, I feel helpless when things like this happen to me. You know you're being treated unfairly, and it just puts a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach to see what they allow, yet deny me. You know homophobia is behind it. Sometimes it takes the media to call them out on it so they can make proper internal changes.
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:21 AM GMT
    I must say I agree with djaj that it seems they are abiding by the law, provided they aren't receiving public funding. Websites don't have to be nondiscriminatory for any reason I can see except, I'm guessing, if they are receiving public funding....

    On the other hand, Google is a real company (a real big company) and I'm sure public relations and nondiscrimination are among their interests and among the interests of their supporters. Raising the issue is far from foolish if successful. I applaud!
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    I worked on a project with gay content that got pulled from YouTube too so I know what you're talking about. The producers posted on Funny or Die instead and it got a lot of attention and ended up in the SXSW film fest.
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    Wilton saidSilly rabbit? Don't you know everyone in the US is anti-gay? Like DUH! The Republicans want us in concentration camps, and the Democrats are too afraid of losing votes to support us. We're fucked all around. And you just found this out?


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    Aug 11, 2010 3:51 AM GMT
    ok just as a preface I'm not trying to start a fight here but this is something that really irks me about a lot of LGBT support groups and such and was a big deterrent of coming out etc etc so I feel pretty strongly about this.

    I don't understand why you think that trying to legislate your dilemma will solve any problems. Even the most radical progressives constantly try and work within the limits imposed by due process. The gay community, as a minority group, tries to influence governments rather than accepting that "discrimination" is predicated on an outdated mentality that is not relevant in today's society. The injustice you believe in is the product of earlier generations whose circumstances were very different than ours in the 21st century. Many gay people remain convinced "the system" will work for the greater good when realistically it is biased in favor lawyers, financial manipulators and gigantic industrialists (in this case, google).

    Your work in promoting a homosexual identity that does not align with "queeny" stereotypes should be celebrated - and is a reflection of the importance of alternatives. Fuller described this paradigm as creating an era of "you and me" rather than "you or me".

    So why bother with a culture of victimhood that indoctrinates our society into believing in the gay stereotype? American gays have more facets than pride parades and fashion reality tv. America will accept a class of people who have more to offer than political activism on specific issues relating to who you're sleeping with.

    Gay guys are not victims and we do not need help from the government. The market will clear youtube when public utility derived from striking down homosexual discrimination becomes significant. You can't coerce this - Who honestly believes women shouldn't have the right to vote? Or blacks should be denied education? There will always be loonies but I think what you are doing right now in terms of defining an alternative masculine identity among homosexuals is a step in the right direction already. Starting a ruckus detracts from the cause.
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    Aug 11, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    Oo I see lawsuits and a show, mmhmm...
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    Aug 11, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    djaj saidEven the most radical progressives constantly try and work within the limits imposed by due process.


    The "due process" is Youtube and Facebook being publicly flailed for their internal procedures, because, as we all know, no amount of kind contact with customer service yields results. They just ignore you, because they think they can get away with it.

    But when all eyes are watching, it forces them to do something. I intend to bring a lot of eyes to this.
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    Aug 11, 2010 7:14 AM GMT
    Wilton saidSilly rabbit? Don't you know everyone in the US is anti-gay? Like DUH! The Republicans want us in concentration camps, and the Democrats are too afraid of losing votes to support us. We're fucked all around. And you just found this out?


    Move to Canada, the choice is yours; the power is in your hands. Why should all of America change just for you? Remember when you had the wife and kids you also had equality, something most pure homosexuals have never known; but you have. So are you really one of us? It would of been diffrent if you had of come out while progressing though your military care, but then you would of truly paid the price for being gay as many of us have. Really means nothing when you do it at the end of it all. When most of your life has passed you by, unlike us who never his away, or thos who come out in their teens or 20s, or even early 30s. Sorry but I don't see how that makes you one of us.

    Shore you may of had a wife who was pissed and took you to the cleaners. But us pure homosexual have never had such respite from our sexuality. So sorry but I really do struggle to see you as one of us, no what what you have done in old age.

    Not that I have issues with bisexual men, but there is a diffrence; certainly when you don't come out until old age, when it really doesn't matter anymore.
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    Aug 11, 2010 8:59 AM GMT
    it's disgusting that corporations can still get away with this blatant prejudiced and discriminatory practice. Yes they should be allowed to govern their own site, but when that governing practice includes downright bigotry- yes, we should stand up and make our discontent heard.

    The media could potentially have a field day with this. I recommend you keep on gathering evidence of this and then have it sent to as many high profile media outlets as possible.

    We shouldn't become complacent with discrimination and unfair practice. I'm not a fan of fatalism.

    Your video was completely harmless. And, side note, nice singlet ;p lol.

    I wish you luck- keep us updated on how things progress.
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    Aug 11, 2010 9:02 AM GMT
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    Aug 11, 2010 9:23 AM GMT
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    Aug 11, 2010 11:34 AM GMT
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    djaj saidWhy are you contacting the media about this? Youtube is owned by google and can operate however it pleases so long as it abides by the law. Let the good people at youtube live their lives, I personally enjoy the website.


    Will you enjoy it when you find out they removed your content but allow others with similar content because they are straight?

    Is it abiding by the law to have a set of guidelines that are randomly used to remove some videos, but ignored on others?


    In fact, it is abiding by the law. Privately owned websites are free to be as capricious as they want in how they enforce their terms of service. You, in turn, are free to not use their websites. The First Amendment refers only to government not restricting free speech. YouTube is not the government.
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    Aug 11, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
    lol that rap song was AWSOME!
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    Aug 11, 2010 11:52 AM GMT
    djaj saidWhy are you contacting the media about this? Youtube is owned by google and can operate however it pleases so long as it abides by the law. Let the good people at youtube live their lives, I personally enjoy the website.
    That sounds like a very self loathing statement.
    Stop being a fucking pussy and help us fight for our rights, or we'll be left with none.
    YouTube et al is full of homophobes. I've had an account shut down there - not for "adult" content, but for gay content. I don't give a fuck if it's "their" site or not. It's a public site and should be available for everyone...not just the straight people.
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    Aug 11, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
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    djaj saidWhy are you contacting the media about this? Youtube is owned by google and can operate however it pleases so long as it abides by the law. Let the good people at youtube live their lives, I personally enjoy the website.


    Will you enjoy it when you find out they removed your content but allow others with similar content because they are straight?

    Is it abiding by the law to have a set of guidelines that are randomly used to remove some videos, but ignored on others?


    In fact, it is abiding by the law. Privately owned websites are free to be as capricious as they want in how they enforce their terms of service. You, in turn, are free to not use their websites. The First Amendment refers only to government not restricting free speech. YouTube is not the government.


    Here's the problem. As our "speech" and "social communication" become more and more dependent on these "companies" to get our message out, when Google, and Youtube, and other sites become almost necessary to share your thoughts in the digital world, should they be allowed to step in and allow one group to speak, and tell the others to shut up? Imagine the repercussions of this. Google, if they wanted, could literally shut down all communications between gay people. So could Youtube.

    It's like standing on the side of the road and being told by the police, you cannot peacefully protest or speak, where as you (the straight group, or another group) can.

    Youtube has made their Terms of Service rules so vague that they could be used to take down literally any clip. Sexually suggestive? And Facebook, my god, "too much skin"? It's now come to how much human skin is shown in a photo. Who is measuring the amount of skin in a photo? Skin, folks, is now a bad thing. Think about that.

    The moderators of these sites, the Facebook and Youtube employees, are free to apply their generalized rules in any way they can to impose their bias on anyone they want. That's just not right. Not when they become mega-conglomerates that control most of the internet and communication.
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    Aug 11, 2010 1:35 PM GMT
    I do applaud your efforts to make it known that there is a bias against homosexuality at these companies. Often times this type of thing slips by unnoticed, but once pointed out it can become an issue that forces a correction.

    Whether the company is within their rights is certainly important, but so is public awareness of the issue. As a company it is important to ensure that your client base is being served well. The only way to get their attention is to make the issue known to the public.

    I don't know whether you will actually change policy, but it is ridiculous not to assert yourself when you feel you have been wronged simply because a company may be protected legally. There were a great deal of injustices that were at one point protected legally that are no longer allowed. Additionally, often times companies will recognize the injustice and work to correct it without legal intervention.

    I have a feeling however, that as a shrewd businessman you recognize that there is also a great deal of value for your business in the publicity that will be generated. Pretty much a win, win for you.

    In any case, I wish you luck in your endeavors.
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    Aug 11, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    djaj saidok just as a preface I'm not trying to start a fight here but this is something that really irks me about a lot of LGBT support groups and such and was a big deterrent of coming out etc etc so I feel pretty strongly about this.

    I don't understand why you think that trying to legislate your dilemma will solve any problems. Even the most radical progressives constantly try and work within the limits imposed by due process. The gay community, as a minority group, tries to influence governments rather than accepting that "discrimination" is predicated on an outdated mentality that is not relevant in today's society. The injustice you believe in is the product of earlier generations whose circumstances were very different than ours in the 21st century. Many gay people remain convinced "the system" will work for the greater good when realistically it is biased in favor lawyers, financial manipulators and gigantic industrialists (in this case, google).

    Your work in promoting a homosexual identity that does not align with "queeny" stereotypes should be celebrated - and is a reflection of the importance of alternatives. Fuller described this paradigm as creating an era of "you and me" rather than "you or me".

    So why bother with a culture of victimhood that indoctrinates our society into believing in the gay stereotype? American gays have more facets than pride parades and fashion reality tv. America will accept a class of people who have more to offer than political activism on specific issues relating to who you're sleeping with.

    Gay guys are not victims and we do not need help from the government. The market will clear youtube when public utility derived from striking down homosexual discrimination becomes significant. You can't coerce this - Who honestly believes women shouldn't have the right to vote? Or blacks should be denied education? There will always be loonies but I think what you are doing right now in terms of defining an alternative masculine identity among homosexuals is a step in the right direction already. Starting a ruckus detracts from the cause.

    What a lot of convoluted crap. Reminded of a very offensive saying from long ago: "If rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it."