Origin of HIV...Man made?

  • KepaArg

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    Aug 12, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    I heard of this alternative theory of how the HIV/AIDS virus may have started today. I'm just curious if this is a common shared theory cause I don't buy the whole ''it came from an ape''?

    Two other interesting points in the article:

    1) In Africa the virus is most common in heterosexuals and easier passed through vaginal tissue, while the most common strand in the US prefers rectal tissue.

    2) It seemed to have hit undesirables first Gay men, blacks, latinos, drug users the hardest as a way to cleanse American society.

    I will need to some more research, but just curious of others input.

    Thanks!

    http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html

    I have edited the title from it's original

    Edit 2: Prior to posting this I had read 3 similar articles focusing on this one theory and I did think that it made some valid points while raising some questions in my mind.

    Throughout the evening, I have done more reading on the topic ''Origin of HIV'', and found more reliable sources then just a proposed theory.

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    Aug 13, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    KepaArg saidI heard of this alternative theory of how the HIV/AIDS virus may have started today. I'm just curious if this is a common shared theory cause I don't buy the whole ''it came from an ape''?

    Two other interesting points in the article:

    1) In Africa the virus is most common in heterosexuals and easier passed through vaginal tissue, while the most common strand in the US prefers rectal tissue.

    2) It seemed to have hit undesirables first Gay men, blacks, latinos, drug users the hardest as a way to cleanse American society.

    I will need to some more research, but just curious of others input.

    Thanks!

    http://www.whale.to/v/cantwell3.html


    Def not American made (I'm not big on conspiracy theories). I buy the idea of it being passed from an ape. Our genetic makeup is extremely similar to that of many other apes, thus making it quite easy to pass certain viruses between species.

    1. Is it possible the strains in Africa are different, which means they might have slightly different methods of infecting and using host machinery (generally the same but maybe small differences).

    2. Yeah, I am still trying to work this one around in my head. Back east I remember going to a seminar regarding the differences in rates of infections btwn certain groups despite "controlling" for risky sexual behaviors....hmmmm...not sure
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:07 AM GMT
    It just raised my eyebrow that the Hep B vaccine was done on gay men in specific areas and those cities and that group became the epicenter of the epidemic.

    I wouldn't say I believe conspiracy theories, but has made me want to investigate further for my own knowledge as I don't personally believe the monkey theory it just seems far fetched and both seem to be quite different enough that if HIV 1 has its origins rooted in Africa, HIV 2 seems to have been manipulated to achieve a certain ''result''.

    Regardless, this story as made me never want to volunteer for any gov't testing
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:09 AM GMT
    Genetic testing on the virus all but proves the 'original virus' was simian (ape/chimp) in nature. It jumped species long ago, probably by blood to blood contact through open wounds on humans or through consumption of 'bush meat'. retrospective blood sample analysis shows some human infections from the early 20th century (one celebrated sample dates to 1959; there are now earlier samples that have been identified). Sorry... It wasn't some nefarious plot.

    The reason African transmission is largely heterosexual is because hetrosexual sex is more common. Statistically the virus ended up in more heteros than homos and was spread thusly. Also, in Africa unlike in western societies, other infections that can increase the frequency and ease with which HIV spreads (e.g. herpes) are not as well-controlled. And condoms were until recently customarily frowned upon. Frequent sexual encounters by men with multiple female partners, including virgins (in atttempts to 'cure' their infection) contribute to heterosexual spread. And finally, homosexual sex is mostly taboo in Africa.

    The vaginal surface actually provides a greater barrier to infection than rectal mucosa due to the thickness of the squamous epithelium in the vaginal walls. The fact that homosexuals were impacted first in america was due solely to chance. Those first infected in this country were largely gay and our sexual practices made us great vectors.

    The concepts of conspiracy and alternative origins are fun, but they're little more than fiction.... bad fiction at that.

    Read "And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts... The early days of the epidemic were incredibly interesting.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    rightasrain saidGenetic testing on the virus all but proves the 'original virus' was simian (ape/chimp) in nature. It jumped species long ago. retrospective blood sample analysis shows some human infections from the early 20th century (one celebrated sample dates to 1959; there are now earlier samples that have been identified). Sorry... It wasn't some nefarious plot.

    The reason African transmission is largely heterosexual is because hetrosexual sex is more common. Statistically the virus ended up in more heteros than homos and was spread thusly. Also, in Africa unlike in western societies, other infections that can increase the frequency and ease with which HIV spreads (e.g. herpes) are not as well-controlled. And condoms were until recently customarily frowned upon. Frequent sexual encounters by men with multiple female partners, including virgins (in atttempts to 'cure' their infection) contribute to heterosexual spread. And finally, homosexual sex is taboo.

    The vaginal surface actually provides a greater barrier to infection than rectal mucosa due to the thickness of the squamous epithelium in the vaginal walls. The fact that homosexuals were impacted first in america was due solely to chance. Those first infected in this country were largely gay and our sexual practices made us great vectors.

    The concepts of conspiracy and alternative origins are fun, but they're little more than fiction.... bad fiction at that.


    Thanks for sharing, I'm not fully educated on the origin of HIV/AIDS and curious and open to learn just to know for my own knowledge. Just because gay sex is taboo doesn't mean it doesn't happen in Africa though.
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:15 AM GMT
    rightasrain said

    The concepts of conspiracy and alternative origins are fun, but they're little more than fiction.... bad fiction at that.



    what's fun about stupidity?
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:18 AM GMT
    Reading about the earliest origins of HIV is pretty interesting considering what a mystery it was in the early 80s and even into the 90s.

    From what is known now, it looks like HIV originated in humans in the late 50s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo. Researchers have found a preserved plasma sample from a Congolese man taken in 1959 that shows HIV infection. Another sample, a preserved blood sample from a Congolese woman drawn in 1960 shows infection as well.

    The first known case in America (so far) was a teenage boy who died in St. Louis in 1969. The pathologist doing the autopsy was so baffled that he could find no apparent cause of death in such a young person that he preserved tissue and fluid samples hoping that future technology or discoveries would lead him to an answer.
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    KepaArg said
    rightasrain saidGenetic testing on the virus all but proves the 'original virus' was simian (ape/chimp) in nature. It jumped species long ago. retrospective blood sample analysis shows some human infections from the early 20th century (one celebrated sample dates to 1959; there are now earlier samples that have been identified). Sorry... It wasn't some nefarious plot.

    The reason African transmission is largely heterosexual is because hetrosexual sex is more common. Statistically the virus ended up in more heteros than homos and was spread thusly. Also, in Africa unlike in western societies, other infections that can increase the frequency and ease with which HIV spreads (e.g. herpes) are not as well-controlled. And condoms were until recently customarily frowned upon. Frequent sexual encounters by men with multiple female partners, including virgins (in atttempts to 'cure' their infection) contribute to heterosexual spread. And finally, homosexual sex is taboo.

    The vaginal surface actually provides a greater barrier to infection than rectal mucosa due to the thickness of the squamous epithelium in the vaginal walls. The fact that homosexuals were impacted first in america was due solely to chance. Those first infected in this country were largely gay and our sexual practices made us great vectors.

    The concepts of conspiracy and alternative origins are fun, but they're little more than fiction.... bad fiction at that.


    Thanks for sharing, I'm not fully educated on the origin of HIV/AIDS and curious and open to learn just to know for my own knowledge. Just because gay sex is taboo doesn't mean it doesn't happen in Africa though.


    indeed... But you asked a question about why heterosexual transmission predominates in Africa. The answer requires mention of frequency and statistics. The fact that homosexual contact is 'taboo' in African societies is clearly a contributing factor (yes, only one factor) to the fact that fewer homosexuals were infected in africa than heteros.
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    if it came from a monkey, wherd the monkey get it?
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    rightasrain said
    KepaArg said
    rightasrain saidGenetic testing on the virus all but proves the 'original virus' was simian (ape/chimp) in nature. It jumped species long ago. retrospective blood sample analysis shows some human infections from the early 20th century (one celebrated sample dates to 1959; there are now earlier samples that have been identified). Sorry... It wasn't some nefarious plot.

    The reason African transmission is largely heterosexual is because hetrosexual sex is more common. Statistically the virus ended up in more heteros than homos and was spread thusly. Also, in Africa unlike in western societies, other infections that can increase the frequency and ease with which HIV spreads (e.g. herpes) are not as well-controlled. And condoms were until recently customarily frowned upon. Frequent sexual encounters by men with multiple female partners, including virgins (in atttempts to 'cure' their infection) contribute to heterosexual spread. And finally, homosexual sex is taboo.

    The vaginal surface actually provides a greater barrier to infection than rectal mucosa due to the thickness of the squamous epithelium in the vaginal walls. The fact that homosexuals were impacted first in america was due solely to chance. Those first infected in this country were largely gay and our sexual practices made us great vectors.

    The concepts of conspiracy and alternative origins are fun, but they're little more than fiction.... bad fiction at that.


    Thanks for sharing, I'm not fully educated on the origin of HIV/AIDS and curious and open to learn just to know for my own knowledge. Just because gay sex is taboo doesn't mean it doesn't happen in Africa though.


    indeed... But you asked a question about why heterosexual transmission predominates in Africa. The answer requires mention of frequency and statistics. The fact that homosexual contact is 'taboo' in African societies is clearly a contributing factor (yes, only one factor) to the fact that fewer homosexuals were infected in africa than heteros.


    I know I got that form the reading I was just being sarcastic icon_smile.gif
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    i think it has been around for hundreds of years and we just had an outbreak in the 70's to 80's where it manifested in a certain group.

    now we know it.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidReading about the earliest origins of HIV is pretty interesting considering what a mystery it was in the early 80s and even into the 90s.

    From what is known now, it looks like HIV originated in humans in the late 50s in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo. Researchers have found a preserved plasma sample from a Congolese man taken in 1959 that shows HIV infection. Another sample, a preserved blood sample from a Congolese woman drawn in 1960 shows infection as well.

    The first known case in America (so far) was a teenage boy who died in St. Louis in 1969. The pathologist doing the autopsy was so baffled that he could find no apparent cause of death in such a young person that he preserved tissue and fluid samples hoping that future technology or discoveries would lead him to an answer.


    Thanks didn't know this! icon_smile.gif
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    Aug 13, 2010 3:35 AM GMT
    track_boi saidif it came from a monkey, wherd the monkey get it?


    the same place the thousands of viruses all animals get came from. Rewind back to the big bang....
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:36 AM GMT
    actually they have tissue samples that date back really far back that are hiv positive. it wasn't man made.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:52 AM GMT
    Ok, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.
  • Delivis

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    Aug 13, 2010 3:57 AM GMT
    Just another conspiracy theory, good premise for a novel, no basis in reality.
  • calibro

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    Aug 13, 2010 4:56 AM GMT
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:00 AM GMT
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    I did do some research, and I was originally asking if it's a common theory! As I never heard of it before and it sounded like something plausible. Did I spend hours searching when I initially posted, no! But, have I gone back after getting some feed back to research, yes!

    You and your stupid looking face can fuck off now! icon_smile.gif
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    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    Yikes dude. Why be so harsh? Of course the OP could have taken the time to do a little research himself before eliciting small discussion on the topic; however, that happens all of the time. It's kind of pointless to single him out.

    But since you did I guess it is alright to assume that you NEVER ask for an explanation of something you could have simply researched on your own.

    This sort of thing even happens in higher levels of education all the time. It really is not that big of a deal
  • calibro

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:17 AM GMT
    KepaArg said
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    I did do some research, and I was originally asking if it's a common theory! As I never heard of it before and it sounded like something plausible. Did I spend hours searching when I initially posted, no! But, have I gone back after getting some feed back to research, yes!

    You and your stupid looking face can fuck off now! icon_smile.gif


    let's get this straight... you wanted to know if a theory that sounds ridiculous is common? maybe i am overestimating your intelligence, but your two, interesting points are actually incredibly ridiculous and any person with half a mind would know that. and i rather have a stupid face than an ugly one attached to the head of an idiot.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:21 AM GMT
    calibro said
    KepaArg said
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    I did do some research, and I was originally asking if it's a common theory! As I never heard of it before and it sounded like something plausible. Did I spend hours searching when I initially posted, no! But, have I gone back after getting some feed back to research, yes!

    You and your stupid looking face can fuck off now! icon_smile.gif


    let's get this straight... you wanted to know if a theory that sounds ridiculous is common? maybe i am overestimating your intelligence, but your two, interesting points are actually incredibly ridiculous and any person with half a mind would know that. and i rather have a stupid face than an ugly one attached to the head of an idiot.


    HAHA, yea cause calling me ''ugly'' is a real intelligent comeback dumb fuck!

    First question seemed like a decent point as type 1 affects africa, while 2 affects the rest of the world

    and point two, even today the problem is amongst gays, blacks, latinos and other minorities in the USA. So yea I questioned the possibility.

    Now go write another shitty poem that will probably never published!
  • calibro

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:24 AM GMT
    orthojock said
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    Yikes dude. Why be so harsh? Of course the OP could have taken the time to do a little research himself before eliciting small discussion on the topic; however, that happens all of the time. It's kind of pointless to single him out.

    But since you did I guess it is alright to assume that you NEVER ask for an explanation of something you could have simply researched on your own.

    This sort of thing even happens in higher levels of education all the time. It really is not that big of a deal


    no, i have never encountered a fellow professor asking me a question that even the most basic effort of research would yield. stupidity should not be coddled. and the frequency of said stupidity should not be used as a justification for not addressing it. again, it's one thing to have a question. it's another to have a good question. i wouldn't even mind if it were a genuine question like where did HIV come from-- but the second someone posts a crackpot theory and doesn't even have the five minutes to verify it where it often gets twisted by people into ridiculous conspiracy theories i will call them out on it.
  • KepaArg

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:29 AM GMT
    calibro said
    orthojock said
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    Yikes dude. Why be so harsh? Of course the OP could have taken the time to do a little research himself before eliciting small discussion on the topic; however, that happens all of the time. It's kind of pointless to single him out.

    But since you did I guess it is alright to assume that you NEVER ask for an explanation of something you could have simply researched on your own.

    This sort of thing even happens in higher levels of education all the time. It really is not that big of a deal


    no, i have never encountered a fellow professor asking me a question that even the most basic effort of research would yield. stupidity should not be coddled. and the frequency of said stupidity should not be used as a justification for not addressing it. again, it's one thing to have a question. it's another to have a good question. i wouldn't even mind if it were a genuine question like where did HIV come from-- but the second someone posts a crackpot theory and doesn't even have the five minutes to verify it where it often gets twisted by people into ridiculous conspiracy theories i will call them out on it.


    Whether you think it's stupid or not, I personally could careless! I'm allowed to ask questions whether a little research would have yielded an answer or not! It's forum open for discussion. So again you can fuck off now, thanks, bye! icon_smile.gif
  • calibro

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    Aug 13, 2010 5:31 AM GMT
    KepaArg said
    calibro said
    KepaArg said
    calibro said
    KepaArg saidOk, well just clarify to some of the ''kind'' guys who had to write me via PM and call me stupid for asking the question.

    Ummm...so I'm sorry for having a question about a topic I'm not familiar with? No, actually I'm not sorry, nor so stupid for asking!

    I never heard of of the Hepatitis B vaccine theory, and some of it made sense so I asked out of being curious and maybe some people would be more educated on the origins of the disease.

    Also, to you PMmers I only said ''American made'' cause of the article and where the Hep B vaccinations took place. It could have been any country really.

    However it wouldn't be the first time the US govt experimented with STD research on it's ''less desirable'' citizens. ahem Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Just saying.


    there's a difference between not knowing something and asking and not even bothering to do your research and using a crackpot theory. are you stupid for wondering where HIV came from? no. are you stupid for creating this thread and not taking the time to investigate your question? of course you are.


    I did do some research, and I was originally asking if it's a common theory! As I never heard of it before and it sounded like something plausible. Did I spend hours searching when I initially posted, no! But, have I gone back after getting some feed back to research, yes!

    You and your stupid looking face can fuck off now! icon_smile.gif


    let's get this straight... you wanted to know if a theory that sounds ridiculous is common? maybe i am overestimating your intelligence, but your two, interesting points are actually incredibly ridiculous and any person with half a mind would know that. and i rather have a stupid face than an ugly one attached to the head of an idiot.


    HAHA, yea cause calling me ''ugly'' is a real intelligent comeback dumb fuck!

    First question seemed like a decent point as type 1 affects africa, while 2 affects the rest of the world

    and point two, even today the problem is amongst gays, blacks, latinos and other minorities in the USA. So yea I questioned the possibility.

    Now go write another shitty poem that will probably never published!


    sigh... let's see if i can break the stupidity barrier without causing the world to implode...

    1. the two major types of hiv have nothing to do with vaginal or anal sex. both strains exist in and outside of africa. one just happens to be more prevalent because it is harder to transmit and is mainly contained to west africa. the rest of africa, however, is affected by the more lethal strain. you have no idea what you're talking about.

    2. gays have a higher incidence of infection because anal sex is rougher than vaginal so there is a high chance of microscopic tears to transmit the disease. minorities are disproportionately affected because they tend to come from poorer communities with less access to protection, prevention education, and treatment. hiv cannot tell what your sexuality, race, or ethnicity is. are you really that clueless?

    3. i have published more poems than there are thoughts in your head... but to be fair, that could simply mean that i've published two poems.
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    Aug 13, 2010 5:32 AM GMT
    Calibro, I think you missed this in the first post..

    "I will need to some more research, but just curious of others input."

    -Doug