Body ph levels

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    Feb 19, 2008 1:19 AM GMT
    So I've read a few books and some literature on your body's ph levels and how most people (especially those who drink soda) have really acidic body composition, and how thats bad for you cause blah blah blah (I usually get a nagging pain right behind my eye when I get to that point...and/or I fall asleep).

    ok, so I get it...acid=bad. Then these articles go on to say how if you move your body's ph balance to the alkalai side, you'll be doing yourself a world of good.

    SO I TESTED IT! Since I was a kid every time I get a small cut in my mouth it turns into a canker sore (I know..gross, right?) And nothing gets rid of a canker sore.

    Well, since I've been slugging a glass of water with baking soda in it every other day I've not had any canker sores, even though I jabbed myself with my toothbrush the other day and it would DEFINATELY have cankered on me before.

    I havent noticed any other health benefits yet. For instance I cannot fly...nor can I see through walls. I can however run faster..not like Flash fast, but pretty fast...

    Anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there is doing anything to raise your ph (I think it's raise to get alkalai and lower to get acidic). I hear there's some kind of ionic water doo-hickey that can turn your ordinary drinking water into something magic, but again, I lose interest by the time I get to that part.

    any thoughts? Is anyone still reading this?
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    Feb 19, 2008 1:54 AM GMT
    I used to get a canker sore every time I jabbed myself with my toothbrush. I haven't had a canker sore since switching to an electric toothbrush more than a decade ago.

    As for all the alkaline ash foods vs. acid ash foods, I don't worry about it.
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    Feb 19, 2008 4:15 AM GMT
    There has been a lot of speculation over the years that maintaining an alkaline ph creates an environment in which most cancers cannot thrive. I don't know if it's true, but it sure is interesting.
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    Feb 19, 2008 4:35 AM GMT
    I have this friend who talks about that sometimes. She is this really interesting 70 year old hippy lady. Real Babe, but back to the point...

    I am told that if you try to keep your body more alkaline then you are better off in many respects. You should test your water to see what the Ph is. My tap is very alkaline because it comes straight from a spring.

    Another good way is to eat sour kraut. It should be very organic or you can make your own. It is very easy to make and delicious. She also told me to eat good natural yogurt.

    Acid can be good for you sometimes though. My friend had a problem with his bladder, or prostate, or something else, and the doctor told him to drink orange juice and other acidic drinks. It helped a lot. He is now trying to rebalanced his Ph.

    That is all I have.
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    Feb 19, 2008 5:02 AM GMT
    Hogwash.
    Although many people are unaware of the fact, maintaining the acid/base balance of your blood is actually vital to your survival. If the pH of your blood drops below 7.2 or rises above 7.6, then very soon your brain will no longer be able to function normally and you will be in dire straits. As luck would have it, although you cannot consciously detect your blood pH, the human body does in fact have an elegant but effective means of coping with every change in pH, large or small. This relies on three interlinking objects: buffers, the lungs and the kidneys.
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    Feb 19, 2008 5:18 AM GMT
    VineyardHmo saidHogwash.
    Although many people are unaware of the fact, maintaining the acid/base balance of your blood is actually vital to your survival. If the pH of your blood drops below 7.2 or rises above 7.6, then very soon your brain will no longer be able to function normally and you will be in dire straits. As luck would have it, although you cannot consciously detect your blood pH, the human body does in fact have an elegant but effective means of coping with every change in pH, large or small. This relies on three interlinking objects: buffers, the lungs and the kidneys.


    This is correct. You're not changing the ph of your blood. If you want to test this go ahead and prick yourself and put it on ph-paper and see. If you did change the ph of your blood you would die. At most what your doing is altering the ph of your digestive tract (mouth, stomach, intesting). I'm not really sure what this will do to you, but I'm willing to bet it's wreaking havoc on your internal floral/fauna. Basically, it might make it harder for the germs that usually live there to live there. In turn, it might make it easier for germs that don't live there, to take up residence.
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    Feb 19, 2008 5:38 AM GMT
    No, you can't really do much to change the pH of the digestive tract either. The stomach has to be extremely acidic in order to hydrolyze chemical bonds in your food. If it wasn't, you'd have to live on simple sugars and amino acids. The pH rises temporarily when you eat, or when you ingest an antacid, but it goes right back down again.

    Bile discharged from the gall bladder neutralizes the stomach acids as they enter the intestine.

    Very few microbes can grow in either the stomach or the upper intestines - they just pass through those compartments, protected by food particles or their own mucous layers.

    However, you can neutralize acids produced by microbial fermentation in the mouth. But mechanically removing the biofilms in which these acids are produced (by brushing) and not loading up with lots of simple sugars (from which they're made) is probably much more efficient.
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    Feb 19, 2008 5:43 AM GMT
    All this science talk is such a turn on icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 19, 2008 1:27 PM GMT
    ok..most of it I got. but what's hogwash? is that some kind of mouth wash or alkalai soap? I've never heard of that...
  • Kevin82

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    Feb 19, 2008 3:11 PM GMT
    Here is a list of alkaline and acidic foods. I won't go into all the studies I've heard on this topic in detail especially since from above you get the general idea. Alkaline=good Acidic=bad

    http://www.essense-of-life.com/info/foodchart.htm

  • DiverScience

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    Feb 19, 2008 4:30 PM GMT
    Not gonna change. If it did, you'd die a whole lot. Your cells need a certain pH, your blood another (different) pH.

    Your gut won't change pH much either, if it did you wouldn't be able to digest your food. Which, really, is a good thing, if you could my kidney meds would make me unable ot digest food.

    The one thing you CAN change the pH of is your kidneys/urinary tract. Because of the way it processes things. I take potassium citrate to increase the pH of my kidney to prevent my kidney stones (mostly works too).
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    Feb 19, 2008 6:23 PM GMT
    Middle age back pain is often a kidney problem caused by acidic diets. This alkaline diet cured my 'back" pain.

    http://www.cayce.com/caycebasicdiet.htm

    Also the latest supplement fad is the various powered "green" drinks. Powered green veggies alkalize the system.

    http://www.getgreenergy.com/green-drink-powder/green.html?leadsource=5473&OVRAW=greens%20supplement&OVKEY=greens%20supplement&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=315970513&OVKWID=1200704013
  • fitnfunmich

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    Feb 19, 2008 6:42 PM GMT
    Tommy: the science dudes here speak the truth. I suspect the reason your canker sores are better is cuz you are temporarily neutralizing the acid in your mouth and stomach with the baking soda (same active ingredient as Alka Seltzer.)

    Many canker sores are in fact due to reflux of stomach acid, so any antacid will help them (whether baking soda, or tums, or Rolaids, or Rx drugs like Zantac and Prilosec.)
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    Feb 19, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    That's why what you eat will effect your body ph balance. yes food exit your stomach neutralized, but the food itself will cause either more acid or alkaline as it moves down. mainly vegetable are alkaline food, and meats are acid food.

    there are machine that can change water's ph. but kinda costly and hard to find in the states.
  • DiverScience

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    Feb 19, 2008 7:33 PM GMT
    There's almost no point in changing water's pH. Water is a TERRIBLE buffer, that is it takes very little free ions to change the pH, so while it may be "acidic" or "basic" it doesn't have much power to change the acidity of solutions you mix it with.

    The only pH you can change is your urinary system, and to a much lesser extent, the local environment (say, canker sore in your mouth).
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    Feb 19, 2008 8:17 PM GMT
    DiverScience saidThere's almost no point in changing water's pH. Water is a TERRIBLE buffer, that is it takes very little free ions to change the pH, so while it may be "acidic" or "basic" it doesn't have much power to change the acidity of solutions you mix it with.

    The only pH you can change is your urinary system, and to a much lesser extent, the local environment (say, canker sore in your mouth).


    usually by charging water with additional electron will create ionized water. not a lot of ph change, but better then nothing is the theory behind it.

    it also claim to lower the water cluster from 13 to 6 molecules, which in theory much easier for your body to absorb. I have try the water myself and the company gave some testing methods to show how different the water property could be, which was quite amazing. Thought if you never try the test yourself, you'll never believe it.
  • DiverScience

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    Feb 19, 2008 8:32 PM GMT
    Garbage.

    Water that's drinkable is almost entirely non-conductive and thus non-ionizable.

    The only things that MAKE water alkaline or acidic are impurities, not the water itself. Water is, inherently, pH, 7.0 it DEFINES pH 7.0

    Most excess acid, such as that from meat, escapes the body in your breath. Much more than water could buffer.


    To give you an idea of the scale of this. In a sample of pure water, if you "ionize" it... you get approximately 2 out of every BILLION atoms ionized WHILE you're doing the ionizing. It will promptly convert back. If it were ionizable, then pure water would conduct electricity. It doesn't.
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    Feb 19, 2008 8:39 PM GMT
    Aren't people who have a diet including a big amount of hot sauces and salsas prone to being less sick than those who don't? If so, is that part of an ankaline diet, which is good? I'm not too sure on the facts about chili peppers and how they affect your body, but I do know is that I have an uncle who says, "it's good for you".
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    Feb 19, 2008 8:40 PM GMT
    Diver...I don't know what you're saying...but I do know that it makes me wanna kiss you!
  • DiverScience

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    Feb 19, 2008 8:45 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidDiver...I don't know what you're saying...but I do know that it makes me wanna kiss you!


    ::chuckles:: C'mere and I'll explain it!

    Basically: Drinkable water cannot be acidic or basic. Non-drinkable water can be acidic or basic only because of extra crap in it (thus it being non-drinkable). Water is not ionizable, so ionized water is the equivalent of snake oil.
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    Feb 19, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    DiverScience saidGarbage.

    Water that's drinkable is almost entirely non-conductive and thus non-ionizable.

    The only things that MAKE water alkaline or acidic are impurities, not the water itself. Water is, inherently, pH, 7.0 it DEFINES pH 7.0

    Most excess acid, such as that from meat, escapes the body in your breath. Much more than water could buffer.


    To give you an idea of the scale of this. In a sample of pure water, if you "ionize" it... you get approximately 2 out of every BILLION atoms ionized WHILE you're doing the ionizing. It will promptly convert back. If it were ionizable, then pure water would conduct electricity. It doesn't.


    who's talking about "pure" water? you think the tap or bottle water are "pure"? good luck. All water has Mg and Ca ions which affect the ph balance. I'm not saying there's scientific proof of benefit, but it is possible to get alkaline or acid water. and the water can be tested with simple ph testing.
  • GeorgeNJ

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    Feb 19, 2008 11:06 PM GMT
    DiverScience said... I take potassium citrate to increase the pH of my kidney to prevent my kidney stones (mostly works too).


    1. To prevent kidney stones, I was encouraged to take magnesium citrate. I had the impression that anything "...citate" is good for this. What's your take?

    2. How much citrate for low-to-moderate kidney-stone risk?

    3. Lastly, I was told a tall glass of water each day, with the juice of 1/2 lemon, is preventative. True/False?

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    Feb 19, 2008 11:25 PM GMT
    have read taking baking soda is good when you have a cold. spose when you're sick, why not?

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    Feb 20, 2008 12:11 AM GMT
    paradox saidI used to get a canker sore every time I jabbed myself with my toothbrush. I haven't had a canker sore since switching to an electric toothbrush more than a decade ago.

    As for all the alkaline ash foods vs. acid ash foods, I don't worry about it.


    I used to get them all the bloody time too, that was until my dentist advised me that regular toothpaste contained soap (!) which causes the canker sores to thrive.. Swiched to a soap-free paste a year ago and I've never had any since, that is until I travel and can only get hold of the soapy stuff.
  • DiverScience

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    Feb 20, 2008 2:24 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]ebl333
    who's talking about "pure" water? you think the tap or bottle water are "pure"? good luck. All water has Mg and Ca ions which affect the ph balance. I'm not saying there's scientific proof of benefit, but it is possible to get alkaline or acid water. and the water can be tested with simple ph testing. [/quote]

    Water. Is. Not. Ionizable. End of story.

    You can slightly shift the pH of the water by ADDING ions, but that's not the same as "ionizing" it and you can't add enough and have it still be water and have ANY net effect on your body pH.