Tamil Migrants to Canada...

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    Aug 16, 2010 6:06 PM GMT
    Since there are a lot of Canadians on here... I'm wondering what their opinion is of what's recently happended in British Columbia

    From our American Neighbours, I wonder how they view this as well.

    My personal feelings are that it's not the proper way to immigrate to Canada, regardless who they are, Tamil Tigers or not. I feel they should be deported, as they have now wasted taxpayers dollars.
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    Aug 16, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    Tamil Tigers are terrorists; we don't think they should be here. In the past there was a discovery that they were collecting money from social assistance and sending it to the war chest overseas.

    The rest can stay, we think they're honest refugees, but it does give a dangerous signal to everyone else in other countries that this way is better than immigrating.

    Probably not the best site, but gives some background to an ongoing problem.

    http://www.mackenzieinstitute.com/2003/other_peoples_wars8.htm


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    Aug 19, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    viveutvivas saidHere we go again. icon_rolleyes.gif

    It's amazing how little empathy overfed, life-long privileged Westerners have with with the less-fortunate, desperate people who reach their shores.

    You should experience some utter desperation just so you can understand what these people are going through.


    You're missing my point entirely. I'm saying this is not the correct way for 400+ people to emmigrate. There are two more boat loads on the way...

    This is a business to these people (smugglers).

    Btw. Once you land/step foot on Canadian Soil, you are extended the same rights and freedoms as any Canadian Citizen, this is afforded to you under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Once the boat was seized by Canadian officials, it became crown property, and therefore afforded all those abord the same rights and freedoms as well.
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    Aug 19, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    viveutvivas saidHere we go again. icon_rolleyes.gif

    It's amazing how little empathy overfed, life-long privileged Westerners have with with the less-fortunate, desperate people who reach their shores.

    You should experience some utter desperation just so you can understand what these people are going through.


    You're kidding me right?

    So let's import poverty and misery and make the developed countries just as bad as the countries that the third worlders are immigrating from?

    It doesn't matter what they are going through, you aren't going to solve the world's problems.
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    Aug 19, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    i think it is difficult to say who is a Tamil, and who is a Tamil Tiger. Since they are persecuted in Sri Lanka, and Sri Lanka told Canada to fuck off during their war, but now is trying meddle in on our policies and deport these people right away, maybe we shud tell them to shove it and follow our due processes. the only problem is that we may allow a few terrorists into our country posing as refugees, and this also send the message to the smugglers to keep em coming at 45 grrand a pop. If the smugglers cud be caught and stopped that would be one thing, but two more boats on the way, this is something that might need to be met with force, to turn them back before they can land. it is as they say, the chance they take.
  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    ... When there hell did Tamales become the mafia? ... well I love to eat them so if Canada needs help please don't hesitate to call me icon_biggrin.gif
  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    viveutvivas said
    BlueDemon said
    You're missing my point entirely. I'm saying this is not the correct way for 400+ people to emmigrate.


    Well, you try immigrating the right way. Basically, it can't be done.



    Yes it can, just takes Forevz
  • DCEric

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
    They arrived in BC? In what year? I didn't know time travel was real! Why didn't someone tell me?
  • Space_Cowboy_...

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    okay are we talking about food or people?icon_eek.gif
  • conquer

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    they arrived here in victoria and it has sparked a lot of emotion. you have one side that says that we don't have enough money to keep our own hospital beds open, among other things but as as soon as people wash up the money is there. the other is that we are part of a society that helps people who are in such desperate need that they'll risk their lives and pile into a ship and travel months on the open ocean to find safety. but people claiming to be refugees aren't the same as people applying for immigration. two completely different things going on. there are concerns that among the real people who need help are the terrorists.

    my opinion is that i was lucky to be born into a country that affords what i need when i need it. sometimes i have to wait, but if i need to go to the hospital i just walk in and get it done. i can even marry lol. but i would rather be seen a country that helps the disenfranchised than casts them away, besides we were all immigrants at one point. none of us was here before the first nations people
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    Aug 19, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    viveutvivas said
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    viveutvivas said
    BlueDemon said
    You're missing my point entirely. I'm saying this is not the correct way for 400+ people to emmigrate.


    Well, you try immigrating the right way. Basically, it can't be done.


    Yes it can, just takes Forevz


    So you are agreeing with me. icon_razz.gif




    haha yes, but there is a reason it takes long, I mean we don't want Osama Binlada all up in the country right? I mean damn hoe.
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    Aug 19, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    I thought it was fairly easy to immigrate here. I know the local MP, I'll ask him tonight whats going on on the gov't side of things.

    What I've heard in the past is that because Canada's population is shrinking, we continue to grow as a country through immigration.

    Conquer also made a good point. I'm proud of my country for stepping up and helping people FIRST. I think its pretty awesome that we are able to do that. I'm also pretty proud that people think Canada is great enough to take considerable risks to reach it. We've been incredibly blessed as a country, I'd like to think that sharing just a little of that with those less fortunate than ourselves is the right thing to do.
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    Aug 19, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
    arc_life saidI thought it was fairly easy to immigrate here. I know the local MP, I'll ask him tonight whats going on on the gov't side of things.

    What I've heard in the past is that because Canada's population is shrinking, we continue to grow as a country through immigration.

    Conquer also made a good point. I'm proud of my country for stepping up and helping people FIRST. I think its pretty awesome that we are able to do that. I'm also pretty proud that people think Canada is great enough to take considerable risks to reach it. We've been incredibly blessed as a country, I'd like to think that sharing just a little of that with those less fortunate than ourselves is the right thing to do.


    i concur, well said!
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    Aug 19, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    viveutvivas said
    BlueDemon said
    You're missing my point entirely. I'm saying this is not the correct way for 400+ people to emmigrate.


    Well, you try immigrating the right way. Basically, it can't be done.


    There's a process in place and it works, thousands of people use it every year. They apply to immigrate here, are interviewed and screened.

    Yes, it's true, we see them as INVADERS... because that's what they are.
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    Aug 19, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    Thanks for bringing this up.

    I am Sri Lankan myself but not Tamil. I am part of the ethnic majority of the country, Sinhalese. I lived there most of my life and witnessed many suicide bomb attacks in schools, religious places, buses, and other gatherings carried out by the Tamil Tigers. My cousin was on a bus that was blown up. She spent months in hospitals and her friend lost her legs. Although I understand the struggle of the Tamils to get more recognition (although the country is much more bilingual that Canada really is), the way the Tamil Tigers went about it with killing innocent people for years was just not right. Most Tamil people in SL are amazing and so nice but I, like many others from Sri Lanka, have a very hard time feeling bad for people that supported the Tigers.

    I think it is great that Canada takes in people in need but it needs to be careful about who it takes in. Most Tamils in Sri Lanka have good lives and no one is after them. Even through years of war, civilians of the two ethnic groups have always gotten along. In fact I went to school with tons of Tamil kids and not once were there any clashes between us during the war. If the government was really after the Tamils, all of them should run away from the country.
    The only ones that are running away are those that engaged in terrorist activities and now that the war is over, they know they will be arrested by the govt officials. Yes there is a lot of poverty, but there are tons of Sinhalese that are dirt poor too, but you don't see them leaving as refugees. These guys aren't leaving because they are poor, but because they know they will get punished (as they should) if they stay in Sri Lanka.

    I'm not saying every single person on the boat is a bad guy but am willing to bet my left nut that the vast majority of them are. Canada is such a great country and I don't want to see it get f'ed up by taking the wrong kinds of people in. We can't solve all of the world's problems. I really think Canada needs to tighten its immigration policies and stop taking just anyone in. Thousands of Tamil tigers and their supporters already live in Canada, as they have been given almost free entry into the country for decades as refugees when it is so hard to immigrate here normally (trust me I know). This is why they picked Canada after being denied entry into Australia. Most of the money that funded the tigers came from countries like Canada and you still see flags of the tigers here even though it is a banned organization. Anyone living in the Toronto area knows what I mean.

    If suddenly the governments in the middle east won the war against the islamic extremist terrorists, and they jumped on a boat saying they will be punished in their own country, would Canada let them in?? Probably not.
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    Aug 19, 2010 3:11 AM GMT
    Helping the disenfranchised is fine and dandy... but really? Are we not being exploited because of our international reputation?

    How many boats of people is enough?
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    Aug 19, 2010 3:12 AM GMT
    firstly, debating questions like this is like debating day is night. you ain't never gonna change a fukken thing, they're gonna keep comin. Secondly if u think trying to immigrate to Canada is hard, try being a Canadian trying to emigrate to the US. My grandmother was a US citizen until the day she died. my Grandfather was a US naturalized Canadian. My wife and I applied for the immigration lotto in the US, pre Iraq, We paid our sheckles to the US govt and sat and waited and waited and waited. When the war started and Canada declined to participate, Canada was suddenly dropped from the lotto. It's a bitch anywhere I guess. Refugees are a problem, and there is no right and no wrong. I was in law enforcement long enough to know that each case has to be examined on its own merits.
    As far as terrorists, i remember arresting a guy years ago from Chile, who had defaulted on a student loan and was in the country illegally. When we entered his apartment, there was terrorist literature everywhere, books on bombmaking, etc. and it was clear his agenda was aimed at the then government of Chile. This was back in the early 80s when the only terrrorist in the world was Carlos the Jackal. Long story short, we brought him into custody and this guy was literally shitting himself and broke down when we entered the booking area. I'm sure he thought he would join the thousands of missing Chileans from his country. It ain't black and white and that's why ya can't get ur shit in a knot over it.
  • hyperionx

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    Aug 19, 2010 3:24 AM GMT
    Can we talk about how that cargo ship was converted into a passenger freighter designed to hold the maximum amount of human beings it could, and how each passenger had to cough up $50,000 somehow to get on there in the first place, for it's five month journey.

    These people (yes, they are people!) went through a lot to get here; I don't thinkn that they're necessarily terrorists, as much as they are desperate.
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    Aug 19, 2010 12:30 PM GMT
    hyperionx saidCan we talk about how that cargo ship was converted into a passenger freighter designed to hold the maximum amount of human beings it could, and how each passenger had to cough up $50,000 somehow to get on there in the first place, for it's five month journey.

    These people (yes, they are people!) went through a lot to get here; I don't thinkn that they're necessarily terrorists, as much as they are desperate.


    We could talk about the cargo ship, or about the other two that are now waiting to see what happens to the first of them.

    These people did all cough up some money for passage to Canada. That shouldn't mean that they deserve to be in this country. Please read the article below, I think it sums up the sentiment of most Canadians.

    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/08/17/john-moore-canada-a-country-of-happy-immigrants-and-short-memories/

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    Aug 19, 2010 1:38 PM GMT
    BlueDemon saidHelping the disenfranchised is fine and dandy... but really? Are we not being exploited because of our international reputation?

    How many boats of people is enough?


    For the do-gooders it's never enough.
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    Aug 19, 2010 1:41 PM GMT
    viveutvivas said
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    It doesn't matter what they are going through, ...


    Enough said. icon_sad.gif


    The I've-got-mine-you-fuck-off selfishness of this one has long been established.
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    BlueDemon saidHelping the disenfranchised is fine and dandy... but really? Are we not being exploited because of our international reputation?

    How many boats of people is enough?


    For the do-gooders it's never enough.



    ...and we could very well say that for the dog-eat-doggers even one is too many. Is it necessary to speak in words of extreme polarity?
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    Aug 19, 2010 1:47 PM GMT
    Every country must ultimately solve its own problems. You don't decrease poverty by importing it. If the budget of a country has to be compromised to reach out to other nations who can't get on their own feet all you're doing is turning your own country into the same thing -- so it's counter productive. Immigration to America in the past was great and productive because there was no welfare.

    Private acts of kindness and charity that doesn't leverage money from the work of everyone else is the only way to do it and I'm all for helping the unfortunate as best we can. I probably donate more to private charity than anyone here promoting government (squeezing from the people) subsidization of third world immigrants.
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    Aug 19, 2010 1:47 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidHere we go again. icon_rolleyes.gif

    It's amazing how little empathy overfed, life-long privileged Westerners have with with the less-fortunate, desperate people who reach their shores.

    You should experience some utter desperation just so you can understand what these people are going through.


    I'm going to have to whole-heartedly agree with this.

    But the issue isn't really one of "should they be allowed to stay in Canada"

    (They Should)

    The issue is that some of these people payed EXORBITANTLY high prices to get on that ship, everything they had and then some. This is an issue of human trafficking, not poor immigration practices, and this isn't the first time a case like this has popped up.

    I'm not sure how to address said issue, but a blanket "Go back to Germainia" approach is probably not the most...civilized, or empathetic, response. These people have quite literally been through hell. C'mon in to Canada, it rocks the rock yo
  • OptimusMatt

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    Aug 19, 2010 2:07 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidEvery country must ultimately solve its own problems. You don't decrease poverty by importing it. If the budget of a country has to be compromised to reach out to other nations who can't get on their own feet all you're doing is turning your own country into the same thing -- so it's counter productive. Immigration to America in the past was great and productive because there was no welfare.

    Private acts of kindness and charity that doesn't leverage money from the work of everyone else is the only way to do it and I'm all for helping the unfortunate as best we can. I probably donate more to private charity than anyone here promoting government (squeezing from the people) subsidization of third world immigrants.


    "private charity"?

    That's a bit of an oxymoron.