Why can't Politicians just be direct and not circle jerk with the media?

  • solak

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    Aug 16, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
    ala a page from Christie..



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    Aug 16, 2010 7:16 PM GMT
    Christie is awesome
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    Aug 16, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie saidChristie is awesome


    Christie is an unqualified political operative who is fucking up NJ the same way Christie Todd Whitman did, resulting in twps and boros having to raise property taxes to cover his "tax cuts", driving middle-class people out of their homes.

    He's slime.
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    Aug 16, 2010 7:28 PM GMT
    I don't agree with him politically, but I have nothing against directness. In fact, I do find it refreshing.

    He's certainly better than other conservative politicians who refuse to speak to the media.



    Or Sarah "Lamestream media" Palin. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • solak

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    Aug 16, 2010 7:40 PM GMT
    gregography saidhaving to raise property taxes to cover his "tax cuts", driving middle-class people out of their homes.

    He's slime.


    errrr, did you just move to NJ??

    Christie conditionally vetoes Democrats' 2.9% property tax cap as part of compromise to set a 2% cap

    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/christie-conditionally-vetoes-democrats-29-property-tax-cap-as-part-of-compromise-to-set-a-2-cap

    Dems wanted a higher tax cap and more conditions, because, well.. how else do their union leagues and local administrators get paid and their cushy lifetime pensions... more taxes icon_cool.gif

    PS you're in Edgewater?? complaining yet you guys have the 3rd lowest effective tax rate out of all 70 municipalities in Bergen County..

    http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/bcresources/municipalities.html

    yes, i have family in dirty jers, fist pump icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:20 PM GMT
    solak said
    gregography saidhaving to raise property taxes to cover his "tax cuts", driving middle-class people out of their homes.

    He's slime.


    errrr, did you just move to NJ??

    Christie conditionally vetoes Democrats' 2.9% property tax cap as part of compromise to set a 2% cap

    http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/christie-conditionally-vetoes-democrats-29-property-tax-cap-as-part-of-compromise-to-set-a-2-cap

    Dems wanted a higher tax cap and more conditions, because, well.. how else do their union leagues and local administrators get paid and their cushy lifetime pensions... more taxes icon_cool.gif

    PS you're in Edgewater?? complaining yet you guys have the 3rd lowest effective tax rate out of all 70 municipalities in Bergen County..

    http://www.co.bergen.nj.us/bcresources/municipalities.html

    yes, i have family in dirty jers, fist pump icon_cool.gif


    See, this is the problem. Simple answers for simple people do not even approach resolving more complex problems.

    Christie cuts state funds and now with this cap will prevent municipalities from raising the funds to pay for schools, services, police, fire, etc. So those things will be cut except in wealthier towns who can afford them and those are the people that Christie is really working for and will be paid off by when he's out of office.

    Instead of using his statewide office to create and present a plan for helping municipalities cut costs by consolidating, etc, he simply takes a soundbite, turns it into a policy, gets the sheeple to chant it, and screws over smaller townships and boros.

    As far as me personally, here's a clue that might not occur to someone with a selfish, take-and-not-give, I've-got-mine-and-screw-everyone-else mentality: I actually care about the tax rates of my friends and neighbors and even strangers who live in NJ. Possibly incomprehensible but true.

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    Aug 16, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    gregography said
    mocktwinkie saidChristie is awesome


    Christie is an unqualified political operative who is fucking up NJ the same way Christie Todd Whitman did, resulting in twps and boros having to raise property taxes to cover his "tax cuts", driving middle-class people out of their homes.

    He's slime.


    New Jersey was steadily going bankrupt because of spendaholic policies that you approve of, so whatever you have to say on this particular matter is of little merit.

    Let me guess, you were in favor of the extra tax on millionaires so that more can leave the state and further drive overall revenues down, right?
  • solak

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    Aug 16, 2010 8:43 PM GMT
    gregography saidI actually care about the tax rates of my friends and neighbors and even strangers who live in NJ. Possibly incomprehensible but true.


    strawman..

    yes throw more money (yours and mine) at the problem.. because we all know more money will go to its intended recipients.. (after local officials take their large cuts of course)


    "but it's for the kid$$$$"...
    WNY, NJ Superintendent base salary (before costs of benefits/pensions/great vacation package): $241,980

    School rank: 282 out of 316

    http://njmonthly.com/downloads/1527/download/tophighschools08.pdf



    "but it's for our $$$$afety"...
    Cops making near $200k (BEFORE taxpayer costs of benefits, pensions) AND collecting disability pension from previous position at the same time on top of salary... way to exploit and pimp the system by double dipping

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gold_plated_pay_for_disabled_pa_YAgzyM5gXvN0P14oNlABuK

    how the hell can he serve his duties if he were truly disabled.. don't you have to actually be disabled to collect disability pension?





    pimp those taxpayer$$$$ icon_cool.gif



    typical ploy, trumpet a social issue to mask the intended agenda of salary/pension raises for a select few (union officials, superintendents, head police chiefs, RETIRED firemen, local administrators) at the expense of the people they supposedly "serve." icon_smile.gif

    and people in NJ wonder why taxes are so high.. cut the leeches off
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    solak saidala a page from Christie..





    I was never knowing of him until now, and already I think I really like him> People who don't like truthful answers to question, but only want to hear, what they think they should hear. Should not go around asking questions.
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    solak said
    and people in NJ wonder why taxes are so high.. cut the leeches off


    You are a broken record. Please find another tune.
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    Aug 16, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    solak said
    and people in NJ wonder why taxes are so high.. cut the leeches off


    You are a broken record. Please find another tune.


    But truths are worth repeating, especially when they don't seem to sink in.

    Why do you have such a problem with letting people keep more of their hard earned money?

    Even Jefferson agreed:

    “To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.”
  • solak

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    Aug 16, 2010 9:01 PM GMT
    Christian73 said

    You are a broken record. Please find another tune.


    ..like how you kept bragging about being in the 2nd highest tax bracket and making making $65k as well as your boyfriend?

    and you wonder why no one here takes you seriously especially on debate about economics and taxes?

    blissfully ignorant much? icon_rolleyes.gif

    must be nice, oh wait you work for a tax-exempt organization.. your agenda all makes sense now icon_cool.gif

    pimp those plebeian taxpayers, playa.
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    Aug 16, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    Christian73 said
    solak said
    and people in NJ wonder why taxes are so high.. cut the leeches off


    You are a broken record. Please find another tune.


    But truths are worth repeating, especially when they don't seem to sink in.

    Why do you have such a problem with letting people keep more of their hard earned money?

    Even Jefferson agreed:

    “To take from one, because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, ‘the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry, & the fruits acquired by it.”
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    The fiscal state of NJ is not the responsibility of the teacher's union. This is as silly a strawman as when the right-wing religious nuts blame gays for hurricanes. A convenient scapegoat. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Aug 16, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    solak said
    ..like how you kept bragging about being in the 2nd highest tax bracket and making making $65k as well as your boyfriend?

    and you wonder why no one here takes you seriously especially on debate about economics and taxes?

    blissfully ignorant much? icon_rolleyes.gif

    must be nice, oh wait you work for a tax-exempt organization.. your agenda all makes sense now icon_cool.gif

    pimp those plebeian taxpayers, playa.


    Oh dear... so you have two tunes. Boring!

    And what is it you do, again?

    And what does working for a tax-exempt organization have to do with anything? You do realize that my salary is taxed the same as if I worked at a for-profit, right?

    For someone who is so quick to jump on my misstating a tax-bracket, you don't seem to understand much about IRS designations.
  • solak

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    Aug 16, 2010 9:18 PM GMT
    oy vey, why would i continue to engage in tax debate with someone who can't comprehend the simplest of tax discussions, your tax rate..

    i feel like Bethenny pretending Kelly's a normal person capable of understanding basic concepts.. why bother?

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    you didn't misstate, you reveled in gross negligence and your own ignorance icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 16, 2010 9:21 PM GMT
    solak saidoy vey, why would i continue to engage in tax debate with someone who can't comprehend the simplest of tax discussions, their tax rate..

    you didn't misstate, you reveled in gross negligence and your own ignorance


    Yeah. That's what I thought. You thought because I work for a nonprofit, I'm not taxed... icon_lol.gificon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

    "gross negligence" for what? It's my accountant's job to understand my tax situation not mine.

    And what is it you do for a living, again? Does you mother check to see if you're keeping the basement clean and reward you with an allowance if you are? If so, are you reporting that income? icon_cool.gif
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    Aug 16, 2010 10:30 PM GMT
    mocktwinkie said
    gregography said
    mocktwinkie saidChristie is awesome


    Christie is an unqualified political operative who is fucking up NJ the same way Christie Todd Whitman did, resulting in twps and boros having to raise property taxes to cover his "tax cuts", driving middle-class people out of their homes.

    He's slime.


    New Jersey was steadily going bankrupt because of spendaholic policies that you approve of, so whatever you have to say on this particular matter is of little merit.

    Let me guess, you were in favor of the extra tax on millionaires so that more can leave the state and further drive overall revenues down, right?


    Right, but California is circling the drain because.... oh, sorry republican governor! must be some other reason!

    You can't simply refuse to pay bills, which is what Christie is doing. Or you can borrow massive amounts of money, like Reagan and Bush, and leave the debt to the people who come after. Or dump it on localities that you then hobble in terms of raising revenue. Like Christie is doing.

    How many states that don't have oil tax revenue (which is the only reason Texas is doing well, and people who don't remember what happened in Texas when oil prices dropped are probably pushing an ideological, factless agenda) are doing well? To blame Corzine completely is idiotic and again, simply part of an ideological smear campaign.

    From your tiny hamlet in Wisconsin you probably don't have much understanding of how real estate and the importance of location and closeness to NYC works in this area. Where will these millionaires move to? Next door to you? ::giggle::





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    Aug 16, 2010 10:46 PM GMT
    solak said
    gregography saidI actually care about the tax rates of my friends and neighbors and even strangers who live in NJ. Possibly incomprehensible but true.


    strawman..

    yes throw more money (yours and mine) at the problem.. because we all know more money will go to its intended recipients.. (after local officials take their large cuts of course)


    "but it's for the kid$$$$"...
    WNY, NJ Superintendent base salary (before costs of benefits/pensions/great vacation package): $241,980

    School rank: 282 out of 316

    http://njmonthly.com/downloads/1527/download/tophighschools08.pdf



    "but it's for our $$$$afety"...
    Cops making near $200k (BEFORE taxpayer costs of benefits, pensions) AND collecting disability pension from previous position at the same time on top of salary... way to exploit and pimp the system by double dipping

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gold_plated_pay_for_disabled_pa_YAgzyM5gXvN0P14oNlABuK

    how the hell can he serve his duties if he were truly disabled.. don't you have to actually be disabled to collect disability pension?





    pimp those taxpayer$$$$ icon_cool.gif



    typical ploy, trumpet a social issue to mask the intended agenda of salary/pension raises for a select few (union officials, superintendents, head police chiefs, RETIRED firemen, local administrators) at the expense of the people they supposedly "serve." icon_smile.gif

    and people in NJ wonder why taxes are so high.. cut the leeches off


    So let me get this straight. You would cut significantly into the revenues of West New York - which has a school budget of ~3Mil - because the superintendent is overpaid by, let's say, $100K?

    There are abuses of position everywhere, both in public and private industries.

    This seems to be a fundamental difference between people who identify as "liberal" and those who identify as "conservative".

    The fear of someone, anyone, getting a single dollar more than they deserve of tax monies drives you SO CRAZY that you would abolish entire programs that benefit large numbers of people in order to prevent it. You think that that one issue validates your desire to sit on your mound of comfort and privilege that other people paid for with _their_ tax dollars and refuse to contribute anything more.

    As though laws didn't need enforcing, roads once paved stayed paved forever, and fires put themselves out.

    The concept of not electing people who are incompetent, of electing people who will work to reduce waste and cheating isn't part of your worldview because then you'd have to admit that really, you just want to pay less for what you get.

    So yeah, these people are overpaid. So are the higher-ups in large corporations and those costs are borne by you as well, but your republican masters have told you that THAT is OK, THEY deserve it.

    Bah.





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    Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    gregography said

    Right, but California is circling the drain because.... oh, sorry republican governor! must be some other reason!

    From your tiny hamlet in Wisconsin you probably don't have much understanding of how real estate and the importance of location and closeness to NYC works in this area. ::giggle::



    if you want to turn it into left vs right..

    the people of NJ voted for a Republican governor....

    the people of CT voted for a Republican governor..

    the people of NYC voted for 2 back to back Republican mayors..


    .. the tri-state area is normally a blue stronghold but people are getting sick of the ever increasing insane taxes paid to fund our new lords' (public employees, union officials, and local bureaucrats) lifetime pensions..

    hmm let's have a return to the good old Koch/Dinkins era.. that was a fun time in NYC history when it was a broke crime ridden hellhole.. cheaper hookers though icon_cool.gif

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    Aug 16, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
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    solak saidala a page from Christie..





    I was never knowing of him until now, and already I think I really like him> People who don't like truthful answers to question, but only want to hear, what they think they should hear. Should not go around asking questions.


    Christie is a habitual and documented liar. Simply having a fast mouth doesn't mean much in this part of the country no matter how much it might impress people elsewhere.
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    Aug 16, 2010 10:53 PM GMT
    solak said
    gregography said

    Right, but California is circling the drain because.... oh, sorry republican governor! must be some other reason!

    From your tiny hamlet in Wisconsin you probably don't have much understanding of how real estate and the importance of location and closeness to NYC works in this area. ::giggle::



    if you want to turn it into left vs right..

    the people of NJ voted for a Republican governor....

    the people of CT voted for a Republican governor..

    the people of NYC voted for 2 back to back Republican mayors..


    .. the tri-state area is normally a blue stronghold but people are getting sick of the ever increasing insane taxes paid to fund our new lords' (public employees, union officials, and local bureaucrats) lifetime pensions..

    hmm let's have a return to the good old koch/dinkins era.. that was a fun time in NYC history when it was a broke crime ridden hellhole.. cheaper hookers though icon_cool.gif



    4 out of 10 people who voted for Christie were voting against Corzine.

    Bloomberg? Republican? He's could have been a Democrat and won. He's a businessman, what republicans claim to be but aren't.



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    Aug 16, 2010 10:56 PM GMT
    It seems that people are willing to overpay CEO salaries if they buy stock for a company--heck, CEOs makes their own salary figures. Of course there's no stock to buy for government--it's called "paying your taxes."
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    Aug 16, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    q1w2e3 saidIt seems that people are willing to overpay CEO salaries if they buy stock for a company--heck, CEOs makes their own salary figures. Of course there's no stock to buy for government--it's called "paying your taxes."


    yup, but i love it how if I question this Administration I'm apparently all for big pay for CEO's..

    the uber-rich tend to vote left (despite what the media portrays) as the new wave of taxes generally suffocate mid-size and small businesses, reducing competition for the big dogs.

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    coincidence? (financial reform aids the top 7 largest brokerage houses, while impeding local credit unions and retail banks)
    ..and you wonder how banks could raise credit card int. rates during a recession.. maybe because they just gobbled up a 3rd of the competition, with your vote icon_cool.gif

    the difference is i can shop around and avoid depositing my money with Goldman Sachs or investing in their stock, since I think Lloyd is overpaid, while the shareholders earn minuscule dividends.

    i don't have that option with property, income, state, local, sales, auto, toll, etc, etc, etc TAXES.. if i don't pay i hit the pen..

    i continue to pay all taxes because it's the law.. i don't have a problem with taxes themselves, the problem is that they are heavily vacuumed to fund part-time local officials', faceless union reps', and retired public employees' lifetime pensions per above examples when they should be going toward the intended recipients.
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    Aug 16, 2010 11:13 PM GMT
    solak said
    i don't have that option with property, income, state, local, sales, auto, toll, etc, etc, etc TAXES.. if i don't pay i hit the pen..

    i continue to pay all taxes because it's the law.. i don't have a problem with taxes themselves, the problem is that they are heavily vacuumed to fund part-time local officials', faceless union reps', and retired public employees' lifetime pensions per above examples when they should be going toward the intended recipients.


    Just to make sure you're being clear, what percentage of your tax dollars do you think don't get to the intended recipients, what facts do you base this on, and what percentage would you find acceptable as overhead?
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    Aug 16, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    Solak, I sure hope the public servants of your particular county don't read your comments...maybe they'll let loose a sex offender or murderer next to where you live, and next time when you get your driver's license, they'll make you wait forever. icon_biggrin.gif

    Um, are we talking about state and city taxes here or Federal taxes (when you keep referring to this Administration)?